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Topic: Why is not present applications?

Client-server architecture. Here look. Tendencies are that that firms respecting prefer to have the special mobile application made by rules Android/IOS to which no browser is necessary. And site mobile version is as though the second sort. Almost all serious banks got the such and is persevering to their clients impose. The Savings Bank-online, the Alpha-mobajl, Gazprombank-telekard... Yes it is fine banks. Here, for example, champoinat.com. In the core a static site. And and it has the mobile application. And generally - you will open a site of serious firm - below you will see "to Download in Play Market" and "to Download in AppStore" Advantages of mobile application 1. Becomes under native standards Android/IOS. Any care of that it looked decently in all zoo of browsers and their versions. Native , native means of development. It is much less than problems with compatibility for different OS - it is necessary to provide compatibility only for versions of given OS, and it is much easier. 2. Any problem with notorious button "Back". And generally - the user cannot enter into the program in any place (on saved  on any place of a site) but only how the author conceived. Also cannot quit temporarily anywhere, and then return and with surprise to ask - why it I not there where was last time? 3. And the second window to it not to open, so, any problems with their interference. However, to launch 2 copies of mobile application simultaneously nevertheless it is possible, but for this purpose it is necessary to have 2 devices. Lacks? To tell the truth, I do not see. To pass to an exterior link - so it and in mobile application not a problem, the browser opens, only here to it to mobile application and affairs are not present. Go to yourself there if you want, and here all remains, as was. Advertizing? So with it and in mobile applications no problems are present, it there more than suffices. And here for a desktop - almost such applications are not present. All still in the browser. Why? It is more than platforms - well, on 1 it is more (Windows, Linux, MacOS). .

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Look back around, all  in smart phones. Desktops use in the core on operation or for games.

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> Look back around, all  in smart phones. Desktops use in the core on operation or for games. I would not tell that it is serious argument, irrespective of, truly your reason or not. Sites - that for a desktop continue to develop, them at all did not throw.

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Hardly to myself I represent  application for the Savings Bank-online, for example. From a desktop on the contrary all leave in a web. There are no problems with updates if there is an error - it is there and then corrected on the server and it does not turn out so that some clients will continue to use  versions.

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Brauzernye applications on a desktop it is more convenient for me, it is not necessary to install, update anything. Functionality quite comprehensible. Besides if there was an any standard on window application, the menu, a status line now on each new program you look as a ram at new gate earlier. And in the browser all is standard enough.

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Hello, Qt-Coder, you wrote: QC> Hardly to myself I represent  application for the Savings Bank-online, for example. Why for smart phones you not only represent it, but such and is? In what difference?> from a desktop on the contrary all leave in a web. It is state ascertaining, I with it do not argue. But why on mobile devices leave in an opposite direction? QC> there are no problems with updates if there is an error - it is there and then corrected on the server and it does not turn out so that some clients will continue to use  versions. And with it it is not necessary to argue, but besides - why on mobile devices it counted not as the most important?

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> Brauzernye of application on a desktop is more convenient for me, it is not necessary to install, update anything. Functionality quite comprehensible. Why on mobile devices  it is more convenient than application?> besides if there was an any standard on window application, the menu earlier, a status line now on each new program you look as a ram at new gate. And in the browser all is standard enough. Well I cannot agree with it. If to leave alone style of the Underground Windows applications, in general, had what interface, such and have. Besides, what it matters? Developers someone forces to do the elaborate interface?

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Hello, Qt-Coder, you wrote: QC> Hardly to myself I represent  application for the Savings Bank-online, for example. From a desktop on the contrary all leave in a web. Application Tinkov of Bank.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> 1. Becomes under native standards Android/IOS. Any care of that it looked decently in all zoo of browsers and their versions. Native , native means of development. It is much less than problems with compatibility for different OS - it is necessary to provide compatibility only for versions of given OS, and it is much easier. PD> 2. Any problem with notorious button "Back". And generally - the user cannot enter into the program in any place (on saved  on any place of a site) but only how the author conceived. Also cannot quit temporarily anywhere, and then return and with surprise to ask - why it I not there where was last time? PD> 3. And the second window to it not to open, so, any problems with their interference. However, to launch 2 copies of mobile application simultaneously nevertheless it is possible, but for this purpose it is necessary to have 2 devices. PD> lacks? To tell the truth, I do not see. Lacks - what for to me to install any shit-appendix which will be most likely  mine  somewhere and to show me the prices above to work in a background littering me storage?

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: QC>> Hardly to myself I represent  application for the Savings Bank-online, for example. PD> Why for smart phones you not only represent it, but such and is? In what difference? Were already  applications for banks. Three passwords on an input, encrypting keys on diskettes, a batch mode the request-answer, here is all.>> From a desktop on the contrary all leave in a web. PD> it is state ascertaining, I with it do not argue. But why on mobile devices leave in an opposite direction? I consider  as if on mobile, "application" as a matter of fact is the separate easy version of the browser. The normal browser does not suit them with that there is no control over local storage, . If each time to pump up pictures on  to unstable mobile connection - all users run up. And so in the browser with big  "separate application" all looks for the user  interactive. QC>> There are no problems with updates if there is an error - it is there and then corrected on the server and it does not turn out so that some clients will continue to use  versions. PD> and with it it is not necessary to argue, but besides - why on mobile devices it counted not as the most important? Why (you think that so) counted? Locally the browser under the pretext of application and application on the server.

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Hello, Qt-Coder, you wrote: QC> There are no problems with updates if there is an error - it is there and then corrected on the server and it does not turn out so that some clients will continue to use  versions. About desktop update too problems are not present.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> And here for a desktop - almost such applications are not present. All still in the browser. You forgot the most serious problem. In this connection a trend, in  now transfer even those applications which are calculated for constant usage. And authors of these applications of it at all do not understand -  and  on users. Wait MSVS in the browser. Visual Studio Online

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Were already  applications for banks. Three passwords on an input, encrypting keys on diskettes, a batch mode the request-answer, here is all. Weak argument. If there were bad who hinders to make the good?>>> from a desktop on the contrary all leave in a web. PD>> it is state ascertaining, I with it do not argue. But why on mobile devices leave in an opposite direction? SK> I consider  as if on mobile, "application" as a matter of fact is the separate easy version of the browser. Here I am not assured of it completely not. There if I correctly understand, simply normal Android/IOS application (it is finite, it is a question of a client part). Than it, as a matter of fact, from the point of view of the interface, differs from others Android/IOS applications? Like as anything. But then quits, what all mobile applications are easy versions of the browser? SK> the Normal browser does not suit them with that there is no control over local storage, . If each time to pump up pictures on  to unstable mobile connection - all users run up. And so in the browser with big  "separate application" all looks for the user  interactive. To admit, did not understand, why if something will swing the browser, users run up, if this application swings the same - that do not run up. Or you consider, what the user continually cleans a browser cache? So if it such "advanced" - it and the data of this application can clear SK> Why (you think that so) counted? Locally the browser under the pretext of application and application on the server. About the server and speech is not present, with it all is clear. Me the client only interests.

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> You forgot the most serious problem. R3> in this connection a trend, in  now transfer even those applications which are calculated for constant usage. You state a state, I and do not argue that it such. A question - why for mobile applications other trend?

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PD> Why on mobile devices  it is more convenient than application? Because the screen small. A web development and so it is more difficult than a desktop, and here also such essential restriction. Under narrow specialization (Android, iOS) it is easier to find the qualified expert. PD> if to leave alone style of the Underground And it more and more there will be PD> Developers someone forces to do the elaborate interface? I do not know, following to standards earlier was somehow encouraged. Now on the contrary the "more creatively" the better.

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: PD>> Why on mobile devices  it is more convenient than application? _> because the screen small. A web development and so it is more difficult than a desktop, and here also such essential restriction. Under narrow specialization (Android, iOS) it is easier to find the qualified expert. Rather weakly for the argumentation. I do not think that the decision was accepted recognizing that there are no experts. Would find. Banks - not the poorest organizations. And it is many mobile versions of sites. Here only they are somehow appreciated in this world worse, than separate applications. PD>> if to leave alone style of the Underground _> And it more and more it will be not assured Completely not. Especially taking into account that MS buried mobile version Windows. These Underground of application were, in essence, attempt to transfer the interface of mobile devices on a desktop. Recall Windows 8 with its interface - users quickly explained Microsoft that it not a gift, and in Windows 10 it, in essence, returned as the main classical interface. Here only Settings ruined under this style - now Control Panel it is necessary to search. PD>> Developers someone forces to do the elaborate interface? _> I do not know, following to standards earlier was somehow encouraged. Now on the contrary the "more creatively" the better. Well this matter of taste. Eventually create the creative style "Savings Bank" and follow it. By the way, for that matter, that difference of two sites for two any banks 10 times more, than difference between two  applications. If you are well familiar with the Savings Bank site at passage to a site, say, Alphas, forget everything that you know and study the new interface from zero. If you know Word you already many know about Excel even if never it launched.

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Hello, mizuchi, you wrote: M> lacks - what for to me to install any shit-appendix which will be) most likely  mine  somewhere and to show me the prices above to work in a background littering me storage? All it with the same success do sites.

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _>... And in the browser all is standard enough. There is there no standard. I recommend to compare private offices of banks: , Sber,  and City.

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Hello, Mihail, you wrote: Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: Exe can easy make with system everything if requests the rights of the administrator and if does not request climbs in a house directory. The web a maximum that that makes a site with your data within this site if there are no holes in the browser.  application is similar a web to a site, it do not start up there where the user to it initially did not resolve. Or have that that another in view of? Exe from a reliable source if not to consider an error in it and viruses, that authors in it put can make only. Authors, other code is eliminated. And authors are known, and it is trustable. For that matter, chrome and  it too exe. Therefore, if I am assured that did not pick up a virus exe by the machine I trust. Otherwise simply it would be impossible to live. Well and that the web code somewhere to reach basically cannot, me, of course, consoles, but not up to the end. Those places where it can reach suffices also.

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> Hello, mizuchi, you wrote: M>> lacks - what for to me to install any shit-appendix which will be) most likely  mine  somewhere and to show me the prices above to work in a background littering me storage? R3> All it with the same success do sites. Directly absolutely alone and the same 1. I can close a site. 2. At me costs adblock 3. vpn 4. I can  scripts 5. It is fulfilled in the browser and has no access to my computer directly 6. I can twist something in the browser that from this you can make on  ?

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: PD> And here for a desktop - almost such applications are not present. All still in the browser. Because the desktop does not have advantages before a web. The key reasons why application strongly are more popular than a web on : 1) the Channel. Unlike desktops the channel at  it is considerable already and unstable. To swing each time  pages - strongly to spoil user experience. Also the offline a mode is useful. 2) Tach. The web is not adapted till now under . That is basically it is possible to make UI on a web that its user stuck as , but it will be separate application. And if to develop separate the sense special in a web is not present. 3) device Possibilities. In   all useful to applications programming - sensor controls, location, the camera, a microphone, push-notices, a tach \face-id, phone and  eventually. From a web all it to use or it is impossible, or it is difficult. 4) update of applications. In  by default updates arrive the automatic machine. In the theory the modern web is able also an offline, and to use possibilities of devices, and , but in practice that for this purpose as a matter of fact it is necessary to write separate application rests and not all possibilities are supported by all devices. On desktops all above-stated reasons or miss or nearly so have no value.

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Hello, gandjustas, you wrote: I will not tell that with all it agree, but it more or less argued answer.

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Hello, Pavel Dvorkin, you wrote: SK>> Were already  applications for banks. Three passwords on an input, encrypting keys on diskettes, a batch mode the request-answer, here is all. PD> Weak argument. If there were bad who hinders to make the good? Retired military men in a bank security police.>>>> from a desktop on the contrary all leave in a web. PD>>> it is state ascertaining, I with it do not argue. But why on mobile devices leave in an opposite direction? SK>> I consider it as if on mobile, "application" as a matter of fact is the separate easy version of the browser. PD> here I am not assured of it completely not. Certainly, this my private judgement, with the big share of generalization. PD> there if I correctly understand, simply normal Android/IOS application (it is finite, it is a question of a client part). Than it, as a matter of fact, from the point of view of the interface, differs from others Android/IOS applications? Like as anything. Many look (taking into account possibility of adjustment that of design) and behave as browsers. PD> but then quits, what all mobile applications are easy versions of the browser? Not 100 % of applications, of course, but many. SK>> the normal browser does not suit them with that there is no control over local storage, . If each time to pump up pictures on  to unstable mobile connection - all users run up. And so in the browser with big  "separate application" all looks for the user  interactive. PD> to Admit, did not understand, why if something will swing the browser, users run up, if this application swings the same - that do not run up. Application will not swing a part (and enough most part) a content, at application already is  resources and a local cache. The same smilies of an icon which the normal browser often forcedly swings each time for session (on curve sites each time at discovery of new/updating already open page). On a slow communication channel it is very actual, even if an icon of 110 byte, but it is a lot of them. On each such small things - to open connection, to request, receive the answer, to check up rottenness expires, to download... Change on PSTN the modem and try the modern Internet. PD> or you consider, what the user continually cleans a browser cache? So if it such "advanced" - it and the data of this application can clear a browser Cache is cleaned automatically. The part of objects simply is not cached because the web exposed the server expires "yesterday". The part is cleaned in 5 minutes after downloading, the part is simply cleaned automatically by the browser at application/window closing. Remaining the system cleans from %temp %. Also there are users who manually clean on three times in the course of the day, is which put the special supplement deleting "garbage" automatically. SK>> why (you think that so) counted? Locally the browser under the pretext of application and application on the server. PD> about the server and speech is not present, with it all is clear. Me the client only interests. For a desktop IT is called a platform "Electron"

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: QC>> Hardly to myself I represent  application for the Savings Bank-online, for example. From a desktop on the contrary all leave in a web. R3> Prilozhenie Tinkov Banka. For a desktop? And it for setting/work probably also  the rights asks? Even without them probably has access to a folder of a profile of the user with all documents and pictures? In general, the public moral appearance of the owner-founder of THIS bank casts SOME shade on similar application.