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Hello, rp5, you wrote: rp5> Hello, Alexander Shirokov, you wrote: >> I in 24 all road (years 10) transport currency into the account of the physicist without problems. rp5> it is excellent. rp5> and what to write in the column "70. Payment details"? In Russian "Transfer of own means"? Or to write nothing? Yes everything. money transfer. rp5> and whether it is necessary to fill "56: Bank the correspondent of bank of the receiver" if I am going 24 to send in the same payment? Wrote the full accessories earlier, but one year ago wrapped a pay-sheet and told nothing to fill. Help in currency control I do: http://rsdn.org/forum/shareware/6436180.1 the Author: Alexander Shirokov Data: 04.05.16

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Hello, rp5, you wrote: rp5> Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M>> And what else tax from profit from conversion rp5> Is such artful : rp5> - at currency obtaining it is considered the got profit in roubles at a Central Bank rate rp5> - and if at currency sale received as a result more roubles at you profit - pay from it the tax rp5> - and here if received less, the tax is not guilty that at you an expense For a simplified tax system the tax from an exchange rate difference is not paid: the Letter of the Ministry of Finance of Russia from 1/22/2015 No 03-11-06/2/1645

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Hello, sharez, you wrote: S> Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz>> it is ridiculous that if the course appears better a Central Bank rate  the tax pays from a difference, and the physicist does not pay. S> in sense it is necessary  these are tsento-copecks and in the declaration in the end of the year to inscribe? S> Eh, was not ... Paper operation. It is not necessary, on a simplified tax system the tax from an exchange rate difference is not paid: the Letter of the Ministry of Finance of Russia from 1/22/2015 No 03-11-06/2/1645

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Hello, Alexander Shirokov, you wrote: S>> In sense it is necessary  these are tsento-copecks and in the declaration in the end of the year to inscribe? S>> Eh, was not ... Paper operation. > it is not necessary, on a simplified tax system the tax from an exchange rate difference is not paid: from 1/22/2015 No 03-11-06/2/1645 Predictably, it is more reliable to consider the Letter of the Ministry of Finance of Russia most, than to trust .

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Hello, ML380, you wrote: ML> Hello, rp5, you wrote: rp5>> I in 24 (now it is simple ) about a floor of year communicated with currency control back. But me strictly assured that it is impossible so to do. Only in rare exceptions. ML> I in 24 so do. Tried to convince in words first me that it is not necessary so to do, asked what law forbids, could not explain. Help about currency transactions thus demand?

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Hello, Alexander Shirokov, you wrote: > On a simplified tax system the tax from an exchange rate difference is not paid: the Letter of the Ministry of Finance of Russia from 1/22/2015 No 03-11-06/2/1645 Well here and remarkably. Yesterday at talk to the expert of currency control in Tinkoffe to me too told that any  it is not necessary to consider. Only here document number did not tell. For my rural tax number is useful. Only here already I feel that next year they cause me that I taught correctly taxes to consider them

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Hello, Alexander Shirokov, you wrote: > Help in currency control I do: http://rsdn.org/forum/shareware/6436180.1 the Author: Alexander Shirokov Data: 04.05.16 Well here only all beginning to be untangled and it was again tangled. Really there is such code in : 61130 - Foreign currency translations from the settlement account of the resident in the foreign currency, opened in the authorized bank, into the account of the same resident in the foreign currency, opened in the same authorized bank But are "the Instruction of Bank of Russia from 6/4/2012 N 138 (. From 4/25/2017)" About the order of representation by residents and non-residents to the authorized banks of documents and the information, the currency transactions connected to carrying out... "And in it it is written:" ... 2.4. Help about currency transactions is not filled with the resident and it is not represented in the authorized bank in following cases:... At write-off by the resident of foreign currency from the settlement account in foreign currency and its transfer on the settlement account in foreign currency, into the account under the deposit in the foreign currency, opened in one authorized bank... "http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_133766/4857f5b2f514bb7467d55dfb5ee24fd73e514cf8/ And it is logical - not to give help about currency transactions because such transfer does not get under concept about currency transaction according to the federal law from 12/10/2003 N 173-FZ (. From 12/29/2017)" On currency regulation and currency control "Article 1. Item 9. http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_ … e4694df32/ Delivered before a choice - to fill  and easy to receive money, or to prove the case. . To what  should suffer.

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Hello, rp5, you wrote: >> Help in currency control I do: http://rsdn.org/forum/shareware/6436180.1 the Author: Alexander Shirokov Data: 04.05.16 rp5> Really there is such code in : rp5> 61130 - Foreign currency translations from the settlement account of the resident in the foreign currency, opened in the authorized bank, into the account of the same resident in the foreign currency, opened in the same authorized bank rp5> But are "the Instruction of Bank of Russia from 6/4/2012 N 138 (. From 4/25/2017)... rp5>"... rp5> 2.4. Help about currency transactions is not filled with the resident and it is not represented in the authorized bank in following cases: rp5>... rp5> at write-off by the resident of foreign currency from the settlement account in foreign currency and its transfer on the settlement account in foreign currency, into the account under the deposit in the foreign currency, the Banks opened in one authorized bank get out a statement that at you not the "rated" account, and "leaking", therefore this excuse not .  with the code 61130 began to demand somewhere one year ago if the sclerosis does not bring me when the Central Bank started to enter any instructions on counteraction to laundering of incomes.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> Hello, rp5, you wrote: >>> Help in currency control I do: http://rsdn.org/forum/shareware/6436180.1 the Author: Alexander Shirokov Data: 04.05.16 rp5>> Really there is such code in : rp5>> 61130 - Foreign currency translations from the settlement account of the resident in the foreign currency, opened in the authorized bank, into the account of the same resident in the foreign currency, opened in the same authorized bank rp5>> But are "the Instruction of Bank of Russia from 6/4/2012 N 138 (. From 4/25/2017)... rp5>>"... rp5>> 2.4. Help about currency transactions is not filled with the resident and it is not represented in the authorized bank in following cases: rp5>>. . rp5>> at write-off by the resident of foreign currency from the settlement account in foreign currency and its transfer on the settlement account in foreign currency, into the account under the deposit in the foreign currency, opened in one authorized bank SVZ> Banks get out a statement that at you not the "rated" account, and "leaking", therefore this excuse not . SVZ>  with the code 61130 began to demand somewhere one year ago if the sclerosis does not bring me when the Central Bank started to enter any instructions on counteraction to laundering of incomes. All  and . At me in "Bank online" it is written over the account: "the Rated currency account". I will try  to make without help about currency transactions. All the same it not currency transaction in direct understanding of the law. An excuse interesting what to me write.

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Hello, rp5, you wrote: ML>> I in 24 so do. Tried to convince in words first me that it is not necessary so to do, asked what law forbids, could not explain. rp5> help about currency transactions thus demand? Yes, the code  61130. But it "empty": the fields 1-7 are filled, any contracts-acts I do not import.

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Hello, rp5, you wrote: SVZ>> Banks get out a statement that at you not the "rated" account, and "leaking", therefore this excuse not . SVZ>>  with the code 61130 began to demand somewhere one year ago if the sclerosis does not bring me when the Central Bank started to enter any instructions on counteraction to laundering of incomes. rp5> at me in "Bank online" it is written over the account: rp5> "the Rated currency account". At me the transfer account "leaking", therefore demands . A trifle, but it is unpleasant. rp5> I will try  to make without help about currency transactions. All the same it not currency transaction in direct understanding of the law. rp5> it is interesting what to me an excuse write. Tell then about results.

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Hello, Alexander Shirokov, you wrote: Pzz>>> it is ridiculous that if the course appears better a Central Bank rate  the tax pays from a difference, and the physicist does not pay. S>> in sense it is necessary  these are tsento-copecks and in the declaration in the end of the year to inscribe? S>> Eh, was not ... Paper operation. > it is not necessary, on a simplified tax system the tax from an exchange rate difference is not paid: the Letter of the Ministry of Finance of Russia from 1/22/2015 No 03-11-06/2/1645 Here that to me in  told about it In the tax code is registered that the tax it is necessary to pay from the income. That is the income as it is registered in  the Russian Federation. The exchange rate difference is an extraimplementational income. The list of extraimplementational incomes is registered in article 250 point 2  the Russian Federation. The letter, in difference from article , is not the regulatory legal act regulating rules of filling of the report or tax payment, and is only clarification of certain point or article. But depositing of clarification does not mean depositing of the correction in article of the code. In the Russian Federation there are various supervising organs and quite often letters on rules of filling and payment orders which are issued contradict each other. Therefore I recommend all such to be guided on  the Russian Federation as it does our service. If you are assured of that that the letter allows not to pay the tax from an exchange rate difference at sale of currency and your tax in which report supports a position described in the letter can take from them the official answer about it and in our service to grade about that that service did not consider an exchange rate difference as the income. To do it it will be necessary manually because service works on one algorithm for all users. And that that was authorized to one tax bearer, not the fact that will be authorized also to another. In the Russian Federation not a case law.

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Hello, rp5, you wrote: rp5> Delivered before a choice - to fill  and easy to receive money, or to prove the case. rp5> Bljahamuha. To what  should suffer. Help to make - pair . Always did and not . In the Alpha this help generally is automatically formed at transfer creation.

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: K> Hello, Alexander Shirokov, you wrote: Pzz>>>> it is ridiculous that if the course appears better a Central Bank rate  the tax pays from a difference, and the physicist does not pay. S>>> in sense it is necessary  these are tsento-copecks and in the declaration in the end of the year to inscribe? S>>> Eh, was not ... Paper operation. >> it is not necessary, on a simplified tax system the tax from an exchange rate difference is not paid: the Letter of the Ministry of Finance of Russia from 1/22/2015 No 03-11-06/2/1645 K> Here that to me in  told about it K> K> In the tax code is registered that the tax it is necessary to pay from the income. That is the income as it is registered in  the Russian Federation. The exchange rate difference is an extraimplementational income. The list of extraimplementational incomes is registered in article 250 point 2  the Russian Federation. K> the letter, in difference from article , is not the regulatory legal act regulating rules of filling of the report or tax payment "Here to play... Here not to play... And here fish wrapped..." () Vinokur Turns out three variants, and any of them correct (as "experts" in tax want): 1. At currency arrival at once all it we sell and we consider the tax to all total of the roubles which have come on the currency account (so for me worked the last 8 years) This circuit at once falls, if a part of currency from the settlement account to translate in other place, without selling. 2. At currency arrival simply to consider the taxable total of roubles at a Central Bank rate of the Russian Federation. 3. As item 2, but still to add the tax to an exchange rate difference. Good fortune. Expanse.

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Hello, rp5, you wrote: rp5> it had a case that called from tax and told that he counted the superfluous tax both overpaid. Also returned it some total. rp5> at us such does not happen. At least I did not hear such cases. At me in "a private office " (the physical person) the overpayment - 100 roubles with copecks hangs. Whence it , .., because always paid on their pieces of paper. And still the debt on rouble with copecks hangs - I time three tried to pay it, and it all anywhere does not disappear. Probably, it is a holy duty, it cannot be expiated. Why an overpayment with a debt automatically not , instead of I know, but the fact consists that superfluous and Russian  does not take. However, to ring they to me did not ring, it is the fact.

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Hello, rp5, you wrote: rp5> any of them correct (as "experts" in tax want) Turns out three variants, and: rp5> 1. At currency arrival at once all it we sell and we consider the tax to all total of the roubles which have come on the currency account (so for me worked the last 8 years) And here a fig. At arrival of currency the tax to it is calculated from the rouble total, at a Central Bank rate at date of arrival. I here at currency conversion in roubles if to do it as the organization if the actual course of conversion appears better a Central Bank rate from a difference the tax is paid. Thus, as it was clarified, there are different judgements, whether should pay this tax  to a simplified tax system. But as on me easier to pay these three copecks, than to understand then with  (fortunately, yet did not invent administrative responsibility  for an overpayment of taxes). And we note, the moment of arrival of money can not coincide with the conversion moment, and courses will be applied the different.

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Hello, rp5, you wrote: rp5> the Subject rose repeatedly. It would be desirable to learn the actual information. Banks twist nuts. rp5> at someone now it turns out to translate dollars/euros from rated currency account  for the account as physical person? rp5> and in what bank? rp5> thanks. Without problems: the Point => Roket or Rajf.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> But as on me, easier to pay these three copecks than to understand then with  (fortunately, yet did not invent administrative responsibility  for an overpayment of taxes). It is, of course, correct. But when I came 8 years ago in tax, to me told that I did not invent the strange calculations, and the tax from the come roubles paid. Wrapped mine  and told all to enumerate.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Hello, rp5, you wrote: rp5>> any of them correct (as "experts" in tax want) Turns out three variants, and: rp5>> 1. At currency arrival at once all it we sell and we consider the tax to all total of the roubles which have come on the currency account (so for me worked the last 8 years) Pzz> And here a fig. At arrival of currency the tax to it is calculated from the rouble total, at a Central Bank rate at date of arrival. I here at currency conversion in roubles if to do it as the organization if the actual course of conversion appears better a Central Bank rate from a difference the tax is paid. Thus, as it was clarified, there are different judgements, whether should pay this tax  to a simplified tax system. But as on me easier to pay these three copecks, than to understand then with  (fortunately, yet did not invent administrative responsibility  for an overpayment of taxes). Pzz> And we note, the moment of arrival of money can not coincide with the conversion moment, and courses will be applied the different. As far as I understand, the currency should arrive on the settlement account, instead of on transit then it is considered at a Central Bank rate for arrival date. If sold all currency - on the rated currency account arrives nothing. And generally I am assured that tax before all this business was not present. On  simply pay in addition these 2 copecks, and even on the contrary it appears that overpaid.

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Hello, Alexander Shirokov, you wrote: > As far as I understand, the currency should arrive on the settlement account, instead of on transit then it is considered at a Central Bank rate for arrival date. If sold all currency - on the rated currency account arrives nothing. And generally I am assured that tax before all this business was not present. On  simply pay in addition these 2 copecks, and even on the contrary it appears that overpaid. A unique method to receive currency on  the account, passing transit is to take out it from own pocket and to bring in bank. In Russia  in currency are forbidden, from abroad the currency always gets at first on the transit account.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: >> As far as I understand, the currency should arrive on the settlement account, instead of on transit then it is considered at a Central Bank rate for arrival date. If sold all currency - on the rated currency account arrives nothing. And generally I am assured that tax before all this business was not present. On  simply pay in addition these 2 copecks, and even on the contrary it appears that overpaid. Pzz> a unique method to receive currency on  the account, passing transit is to take out it from own pocket and to bring in bank. Pzz> in Russia  in currency are forbidden, from abroad the currency always gets at first on the transit account. Give I will try once again in other words: While the currency from the transit account does not get on rated, arrival is not present. After translated with transit on rated - the currency arrived, we consider the tax at a Central Bank rate for arrival date. If sold all currency - on rated arrived nothing, we consider the tax from the total arrived on the rouble account. We consider both there and there if sold only a currency part.

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Hello, Alexander Shirokov, you wrote: >>> As far as I understand, the currency should arrive on the settlement account, instead of on transit then it is considered at a Central Bank rate for arrival date. If sold all currency - on the rated currency account arrives nothing. And generally I am assured that tax before all this business was not present. On  simply pay in addition these 2 copecks, and even on the contrary it appears that overpaid. > While the currency from the transit account does not get on rated, arrival is not present. After translated with transit on rated - the currency arrived, we consider the tax at a Central Bank rate for arrival date. Selected it is not joined to the letter of Department of a tax and customs-tariff policy of the Ministry of Finance of Russia from January, 22nd, 2015 N 03-11-06/2/1645 incomes in the form of foreign currency, including a gain from implementation of the goods, are considered with a view of the taxation by the tax paid in connection with application of simplified system of the taxation, at arrival of the specified money resources on the transit currency account of the tax bearer. Practice showed that laws should be taken literally, anything it is not necessary to finish thinking.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> And we note, the moment of arrival of money can not coincide with the conversion moment, and courses will be applied the different. Personally I deduce all currency into the account of the physical person and I am not engaged conversions.

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Hello, Alexander Shirokov, you wrote: > While the currency from the transit account does not get on rated, arrival is not present. Incorrectly. The tax is paid by date of arrival, it is unimportant, where it arrived - in a pocket, on the settlement account, on , on , on transit.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> SVZ> incomes in the form of foreign currency, including a gain from implementation of the goods, are considered with a view of the taxation by the tax paid in connection with application of simplified system of the taxation, at arrival of the specified money resources on the transit currency account of the tax bearer. SVZ> practice showed that laws should be taken literally, anything it is not necessary to finish thinking. Practice showed that all to spit. I considered at first so, then in another way - tax all the same. But that educated thanks, so even is easier.