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Hello, salnicoff, you wrote: S> Well and the purposes too - why for the sake of obtaining of estimations of students it is necessary to force to conclude the contract with bank? And what for generally estimations of students should so strictly be verified that normal  and lists in dean's office suddenly became not enough.

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ov>> the client does not pay for service, business pays to bank as well as with any other plastic. Plastic lets out banks, it is a lot of banks, where monopoly? Where ? M> the client always pays. Thanks , but what change it or how it proves monopoly?

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S> Roughly speaking, the protocol and the data which need to be stored. What does the payment system do? It authorizes on removal of money from the account "And" and transfer into the account. As whom will be  "World" at passing an examination? Where the basis of estimations will be stored and how to get to it access? Well there is an authorization on , I think if they really make this integration, there will be about the same: the system will confirm is exceptional the person.  it is necessary to them in such type I do not know, probably simply solved "on a wave" something to stir up. I like idea of one card for everything, about passing examinations details in a pilot project of the unique bank, probably, while early to speak in detail. ov>> in  there is something similar, on responses it is rather convenient. What not so? S> That, there too  combined with bank cards? Here about banking application it is not assured, and so there wide enough list of variants of usage: From tickets before voting. If to look at it from a technical aspect Estonian system it simply DB with numbers of cards and electronic keys, and the national payment system is the same DB plus financial transactions. If to approach to architecture it is accurate, the basic layer can be used repeatedly

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M> And what for generally estimations of students should so strictly be verified that normal  and lists in dean's office suddenly became not enough. I was not too lazy and found this news. There any one bank decided to stir up the project. The state within the limits of popularization of this system like as too not against. Well let stir up, good luck... The state ultimate goal - to take away from you  and to translate to the clearing settlement that neither you, nor shops did not evade from payment of taxes. It is the ideal scenario which is hardly achievable but to which they aspire. All remaining - noise and attempts to earn money or points. Here that me really interests, so it is the commissions for transactions. As I understood, they all the same are. I have an experience of dialogue with New Zealand EFTPOS - there transactions are free also to business to take  or plastic costs equally at all. I expect from the PATTERNS something similar in the foreseeable future, differently it somehow not so turns out. And  it is a hogwash,  I think. At least first generations of such decisions precisely . And the free or cheap payment system is necessary to the country.

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> and here to you on a choice and the visa, and  and that only is not present. It while. I have suspicions that start to squeeze out the remaining administratively. ov> it is what side "it" problems of banks prevent? These banks including drive "their" money where it is necessary to them. ov> at them all bloody  under the offshore is stuffed It already  , but they that in the country while for this purpose to cut still. CC>> Djud, yes to me generally . To you with it then to potter. ov> would be to you , you here would not write. Not, me  as it there dares - it does not affect me. Well and to look from safe distance  it is interesting.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, ins-omnia, you wrote: CC>> it is severe at you with a parcer, without accurately placed tags [sarcasm] perception does not work. IO> so in it and a dislocation essence, people perceived as sarcasm any spiteful hissing without cause when it proceeded from certain figures. And copied this style. And in emigration it was preserved. Well and "my style" is similar to what figure? Extremely curiously. And what side here emigration generally? CC>> Google on request "sanctions to us on favor" IO> on demand " harm from sanctions". Interesting, and why you search on other phrase? IO> with distinct parliamentary parties really there is a problem. Here it also should be answerable for all. To be answerable? It disperses all made competitors very much. IO> not truth. You cannot point a finger at something offensive. Yes the finger falls off to show. IO> besides that the American press was beyond for a long time decencies. TASS it is authorized to declare, aha. IO> By the way, at them there such standard reception when tell about Russia, something like "masses,  propagation about ' the rotting West '". Mandatory so-called, that the impression was made as if it is such real stamp of propagation in Russia - "the rotting West". I.e. conscience at people exactly zero. Kiselyov on this background - the professor lecturing on philology. Listen, here I live on that rotting. To the Russian Federation here all  from a word it is absolute. Recall only when that a thread . IO> Here at a forum "Abroad" inhabitants LA ask council about a survival in  already. The link give, yes?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, salnicoff, you wrote: S> Well and the purposes too - why for the sake of obtaining of estimations of students it is necessary to force to conclude the contract with bank? So it is a trend now. Banks already execute functions of Office of Public Prosecutor and a consequence and court.

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Hello, CreatorCray, you wrote: CC> Well and "my style" is similar to what figure? Extremely curiously. Style rather homogeneous, I do not know on whom specially to specify. Look at "the Literary newspaper" or reorganization "Spark" are standards. Or, in strongly weakened type, "New" and "Independent" newspapers. Initially tone set, , Voinovich, but I is not assured. And generally, it is enough to listen that any well-known told "conscience of the nation". CC> And what side here emigration generally? Yes as name it. More shortly, culture preservation in insulation from its source. CC> it is interesting, and why you search on other phrase? To change one word in my request You decided to carp at words? Here the first link on demand "sanctions to us on favor": https://lenta.ru/news/2016/01/11/putin/. You can explain, what there not so? And you noted, what I on two requests gave references? CC> To be answerable? It disperses all made competitors very much. Who there made, Kasparov? Potential competitors neutralize on distant approaches, simply threatening with a finger to people who could finance them. Those whom you consider made - the clowns, playing contractual a match. This phenomenon, by the way, is not unique for Russia. You think LePen and similar clowns are adequate  the right electorate in Europe? IO>> not truth. You cannot point a finger at something offensive. CC> yes the finger falls off to show. Well means pair-triple examples it is possible for unwinding to give? IO>> besides that the American press was beyond for a long time decencies. CC> TASS it is authorized to declare, aha. Just about. Zhvanetsky's audience swept with laughter. Here only it here is not present. CC> Listen, here I live on that rotting. To the Russian Federation here all  from a word it is absolute. Recall only when that a thread . Well so "" every day. Tell to housewives in Fejsbuke lie about delights of the Soviet totalitarianism by means of army of bots, poison precious corporal juice of Americans, advance puppets in presidents. It is necessary to tell about it every day. You or not enough press read, or very selectively perceive. Or that most likely, you perceive, but as the life fact, instead of propagation. Simply view https://www.reddit.com/r/news/successively, there it is full of "news" about Russia (generally fabricated). Pay attention to sources, all a solid press. IO>> here at a forum "Abroad" inhabitants LA ask council about a survival in  already. CC> the Link give, yes? Here, there SF actually: https://rsdn.org/forum/abroad/6993299.1 the Author: cppguard Date: 14.12 05:58

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> monopoly it not when national system one, and when generally system only one. So it also is one, payments from the budget only on a card of Patterns, without fail

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Hello, ins-omnia, you wrote: IO> IO> Thanks to the western sanctions, Russia actually completely covers the needs for pork and fowl IO> Where there a lie can specify, was specific? Here in this announcement and a lie. Grocery sanctions were superimposed by ourselves, instead of the West.

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ov>> monopoly it not when national system one, and when generally system only one. I> so it also is one, payments from the budget only on a card of Patterns, without fail to answer a small slice of the message, of course, easier, but the sense of talk disappears. The initial message was that it  monopoly. About  it is not recalled not so, and monopoly probably what the state does not want to drive the money through another's payment systems? So it much in what monopoly then also anything I think if more deeply to dig, it will be clarified that money generally into the account comes, instead of on a card, and then can be clarified, as the card is not necessary and it is possible to receive a cash in bank, and here for a cash dispense can and there are restrictions.

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ov>> and here to you on a choice and the visa, and  and that only is not present. CC> It while. I have suspicions that start to squeeze out the remaining administratively. And I have suspicions that the earth plane you told " monopoly",  cannot prove, and monopoly at you - is simple suspicions. CC> not, me  as it there dares - it does not affect me. Well and to look from safe distance  it is interesting. Tell truth: to you not without a difference, and you it is not uninteresting. You would like, that it became bad, and you from afar would look and rejoiced that you it did not concern.

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Hello, ins-omnia, you wrote: CC>> Well and "my style" is similar to what figure? Extremely curiously. IO> style rather homogeneous, I do not know on whom specially to specify. Look at "the Literary newspaper" or reorganization "Spark" are standards. Or, in strongly weakened type, "New" and "Independent" newspapers. Initially tone set, , Voinovich, but I is not assured. And generally, it is enough to listen that any well-known told "conscience of the nation". You to me quite seriously suggest to rummage tons of this dusty paper for recycling? Would tell at once that itself you do not know and blurted out about "style" simply so. CC>> And what side here emigration generally? IO> Yes as name it. More shortly, culture preservation in insulation from its source. What side? IO> here the first link on demand "sanctions to us on favor": https://lenta.ru/news/2016/01/11/putin/. You can explain, what there not so? There it is directly written:" Putin specified in favor of sanctions and the low prices for oil "IO> Well so"  "every day. Tell to housewives in Fejsbuke lie about delights of the Soviet totalitarianism by means of army of bots, poison precious corporal juice of Americans, advance puppets in presidents. To housewives  to the Russian Federation. In their sphere of interests it simply does not exist. IO> you or not enough press read, or very selectively perceive. Any dustbins of type RT I do not look, yes. And on the same news.google.com the Russian Federation is mentioned extremely rarely and in the core in connection with senatorial investigation. IO> simply view https://www.reddit.com/r/news/successively, there it is full of" news "about Russia (generally fabricated). I call bullshit on that! We go and look:" North Korea will not be accepted as a nuclear power by US or Russia, say Rex Tillerson and Sergei Lavrov "" Russia rejects concerns over banning of Alexei Navalny from elections "" HMS St Albans: Russian warship escorted by UK frigate in North Sea "" Moscow subway bus crash kills four people "all. Well also what we upon see? Where" it is full of news "? Where"fabricated"? IO>>> Here at a forum"Abroad"inhabitants LA ask council about a survival in  already. IO> Here, there SF actually: https://rsdn.org/forum/abroad/6993299.1 the Author: cppguard Date: 14.12 05:58 Here it you  are serious?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> you told " monopoly",  cannot prove, and monopoly at you - is simple suspicions. And I that, should that that to a clod that to prove at a forum? I expressed the judgement that most likely the situation will develop so. You can be agree or not, we can argue, but your typical approach "and prove what not the Allah" as well as "and it is feeble" on me does not operate. CC>> not, me  as it there dares - it does not affect me. Well and to look from safe distance  it is interesting. ov> tell truth: to you not without a difference, and you it is not uninteresting. You would like, that it became bad, and you from afar would look and rejoiced that you it did not concern. I tell truth: to me  it is perfect. I there did not live, I do not live and I am not going to live. And I saw enough examples to doubt that the next administratively spread system does not go the in the regular way.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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ov>> you told " monopoly",  cannot prove, and monopoly at you - is simple suspicions. CC> and I that, should that that to a clod that to prove at a forum? I expressed the judgement that most likely the situation will develop so. You can be agree or not, we can argue, but your typical approach "and prove what not the Allah" as well as "and it is feeble" on me does not operate. So we also argue... Only not about situation development, and about words " monopoly". I ask to justify only these two words. If you grazed, you simply wanted to throw by the way a shit and to go whistling further. Wanted? The good fellow, go. Did not want - explain me these two words: where saw and that monopolized. I really do not understand, it is interesting to me. ?

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> if you grazed, you are simple... Again "feeblly" begins? Spoke already that it does not work. ov> explain me these two words: where saw and that monopolized. Are going to monopolize monetary flows which will administratively force to start up through this system. Will saw  on it therefore as if your clients (in the core budgetary) anywhere from you cannot get to basically you with them are free to do everything... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> monopoly probably what the state does not want to drive the money through another's payment systems? So it much in what monopoly then also anything ov> I think if more deeply to dig, it will be clarified that money generally into the account comes, instead of on a card, and then can be clarified, as the card is not necessary and it is possible to receive a cash in bank, and here for a cash dispense can and there are restrictions. Indeed, money chases normal Mezhbank, and to spend them it is possible anchoring to the account a card of other system a card of Patterns - superfluous essence, but you are obliged to receive her, even if you already have an account and other cards

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Hello, hrensgory, you wrote: H> ID the person at us it  if who does not know. [...] H> there are no problems to connect ID cards and  the owner, for this purpose H> it is enough data even at bank. Also I do not see any problems that to H> to one  some cards can be anchored. Now a question: what for a superfluous layer to invent? Type the password on password entry page. The easier system, the is better it works.

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> I think if more deeply to dig, it will be clarified that money generally into the account comes, instead of on a card, and then can be clarified, as the card is not necessary and it is possible to receive a cash in bank, and here for a cash dispense can and there are restrictions. If to speak about payments from the budget: now they should come a clearing settlement into the account and the card of "Patterns" should be anchored to this account. Not to anchor - it is impossible, to anchor other cards - too it is impossible.

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ov>> explain me these two words: where saw and that monopolized. CC> are going to monopolize monetary flows which will administratively force to start up through this system. CC> will saw  on it therefore as if your clients (in the core budgetary) anywhere from you cannot get to basically you with them are free to do everything well here and perfectly, here now it is possible to talk. Give. On monopoly: the state draws on, that monetary flows, which it creates (payments to state employees, to pensioners ) to start up through the system. Basically, has the right: who the girl has supper, that and dances it. Logically? Logically. The state thus pursues the aim: popularization of payment system which allows to lower calculations  to raise a collecting of taxes and can be to pay off  percent for processing. The state does not lock alternative systems, but spreads the. The purpose: To produce as it is possible  for an amount of people these cards that then in shop if these people decide to pay in plastic the percent drips not to the visa, and national system. To the buyer , the seller to any pays, to the state a profit. I here see not monopolization, and aggressive attempt to spread "visa", and this "visa" not from the future, as usual happens, and already quite working directly here now. To business (especially gray) accept such payments it can to be sensitive  first, to customers - . For the majority local  it generally makes any , and we and will not know. For the Russian business there is a jandeks-cash desk and other  which too accept these payments for them. For those who trades in the market or in an Internet and already accepts cards independently - it in bank to descend and connect one more - too not a problem. Problems arise only at those who trades exceptional for . Here they fly, but here at the state quite accurate purpose: gray business - . The purpose in itself good and correct. I for. About your fears that implementing the world they superimpose the visa with  I to you so I will tell: on my storage the state still never made anything such that would anger the big percent of the population. Their prohibitions of type of overlapping of sites or the prohibition of gay parades concern so scanty percent of the population that to the state . If they superimpose the visa, them on  lift - the people does not understand. If I am mistaken, result to me an example of any prohibition which at least 10-20 % of the population really concern. I can something passed? On : the state gives money to the state employee. Transfers into account in any bank (I suspect, what not in unique). One year ago enumerated, five years ago enumerated, now enumerates and will enumerate then. Earlier the state employee could anchor the visa to this account or remove . Now if he wants to anchor plastic, it can be only the world. If he does not want the patterns - can remove . That is the choice like as remained. Further our two state employees (one of the past with the visa, and the second of the present with the world) come to shop and buy a vodka bottle. Pay one price, the seller pays the commission to payment system/bank ( as there at them it is arranged), the state receives from one of them kopeck, from another - a horse-radish. Everything, on it all differences come to an end. Explain to me please: where here it is possible to saw off something if the system already works? To take away a part of percent from the commission? In a case with the visa the state does not receive anything, and here though something. And that steal here on the way, returns in a type of tax from purchases which they make. That is even if hypothetically they there can saw off something I (doubt), it all the same appears more favourably, than in a case with the visa. ?

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I> a card of Patterns - superfluous essence, but you are obliged to receive her, even if you already have an account and you it are obliged to receive other cards, if take from the state money. You do not want to receive a card - do not take money. And you want - to correspond to requirements all right. On me here taxes superfluous essence, however it is necessary to pay the state wants to twist money in itself without the third parties, it is better to collect taxes, remove gray business. On me so rather good .