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S> If to speak about payments from the budget: now they should come a clearing settlement into the account and the card of "Patterns" should be anchored to this account. Not to anchor - it is impossible, to anchor other cards - too it is impossible. I there above answered: who the girl has supper, that and dances it. If you want to take money from the state - receive a card. You do not want to receive - go earn itself. The state can demand something in exchange for the money? I consider that can. Or it only should give?

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> about your fears that implementing the world they superimpose the visa with  I to you so I will tell: on my storage the state still never made anything such that would anger the big percent of the population. Their prohibitions of type of overlapping of sites or the prohibition of gay parades concern so scanty percent of the population that to the state . If they superimpose the visa, them on  lift - the people does not understand. The people  and not such if to submit under the correct sauce. In this respect, if do not give in to temptation to force out the competitor that I will be glad to appear it is wrong.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> you are obliged to receive her, if take from the state money. You do not want to receive a card - do not take money. And you want - to correspond to requirements all right. From the state the card, and money is necessary to the person not. And money needs to be produced so that it minimized expenses and the receiver, and the states.

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12/28/2017 21:31, salnicoff writes:> H> ID the person at us it  if who does not know. [...] > H> There are no problems to connect ID cards and  the owner, for this purpose> H> it is enough data even at bank. Also I do not see any problems that> H> to one  some cards can be anchored.>> now a question: what for a superfluous layer to invent? Type the password on page> password entry. The easier system, the is better it works. Something I thought lost yours. There is a card systems X if it  usage admits any cases analog, roughly speaking, a digital signature delivered by the owner of a card, where here a superfluous link? If to speak generally about the national card which has been not anchored to the visa/master, to make it and to advance the greatest possible methods for calculations in the country - absolutely correct decision, not so unique for the Russian Federation. In China is UnionPay, in Europe somewhere too there are cards, in particular in Denmark in my opinion it is called Dankort. - WBR, Serge. Posted via RSDN NNTP Server 2.1 beta

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Hello, hrensgory, you wrote: H> Something I thought lost yours. There is a card systems X if it H>  usage admits any cases H> analog, roughly speaking, a digital signature delivered by owner H> of a card, where here a superfluous link? The signature delivered by a card-passport will be the true signature. Banking - a substitute of the signature only for bank; if it to use for the signature something another - superfluous layers turn out. H> if to speak generally about the national card which has been not anchored to H> to the visa/master to make it and to advance greatest possible H> methods for calculations in the country - absolutely correct decision, H> not so unique for the Russian Federation. In China is UnionPay, in Europe somewhere too H> there are cards, in particular in Denmark in my opinion it is called Dankort. Is. But them advance absolutely other methods - users should receive any buns from its usage. In a case with "World" advancement goes even not administrative, and is categorical-violent methods.

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Hello, ov, you wrote: S>> If to speak about payments from the budget: now they should come a clearing settlement into the account and the card of "Patterns" should be anchored to this account. Not to anchor - it is impossible, to anchor other cards - too it is impossible. ov> I there above answered: who the girl has supper, that and dances it. If you want to take money from the state - receive a card. You do not want to receive - go earn itself. The state can demand something in exchange for the money? I consider that can. Or it only should give? It like for operation gives money? Well there, to the teacher for training, to the tax inspector for inspection, and it also demands in exchange for the money? Not simply so for nothing the state gave money, and here suddenly time, and something decided the first time to demand already in exchange - namely, a card of PATTERNS.

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> you are obliged to receive her, if take from the state money. You do not want to receive a card - do not take money. And you want - to correspond to requirements all right. You do not take, and you earn, therefore you have the right to select a method of obtaining convenient for

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> if you want to take money from the state - receive a card. You do not want to receive - go earn you now half of population of the country named idlers and beggars

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S> It like for operation gives money? Well there, to the teacher for training, to the tax inspector for inspection, and it also demands in exchange for the money? Not simply so for nothing the state gave money, and here suddenly time, and something decided the first time to demand already in exchange - namely, a card of PATTERNS. The state much that demands in exchange. And in army to descend, both taxes to pay, and the neighbor not to kill, and in shop not to steal. And now also a card of patterns. And the employer can force to carry you a suit, for example, simply because pays to you the salary. It is not pleasant to whom - change the employer, remaining  in a smoking-room and calm down. In a case with these cards I, to tell the truth, do not understand in what a problem for the citizen: the same plastic which can be carried in the same cash dispense from which it is possible to receive the same money. A problem in a superfluous card? The purse pulls?

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ov>> you are obliged to receive her, if take from the state money. You do not want to receive a card - do not take money. And you want - to correspond to requirements all right. I> you do not take, and you earn, a method of obtaining convenient for I> you therefore have the right to select now half of population of the country named idlers and beggars horses, people mixed up in a heap... I so understand, what in case of pensioners, receivers of manuals  at us are not present questions on these cards more and there the state can demand a card of patterns? Well. Give now we consider those who at the state earns money. As I already in a comment above wrote, the state as the employer can demand something from the worker. We tell from deputies and it demands other elite to uncover the incomes, of policemen - to have a rest at home, . And, say, the bank as the employer can demand from you to wear, and the McDonald's - to smile to the client. And you, as the worker, decide itself - to agree with these requirements or not. It do not agree - you change the employer, all is simple. As a whole I understand about what you, but consider the requirement to have was specific this plastic for the salary account so frivolous hogwash what even to consider is lazy. The majority of people in a pay day will be built in queue to a cash dispense and remove , on it their dialogue with the world ends till next month. Someone does not remove, and buys something in shop with exactly same zero commission, as well as with the visa. For 99 % of state employees these cards generally change nothing, whether so it is necessary to be strained? As I already spoke, the state solves the certain tasks (I resulted the list) with these cards, solves without injuring the population, and in passing also accustoms it to usage of plastic instead of . On me so one continuous health. If to ache, so about pension age increase  - here there a problem, and here a hogwash. And generally I initially wanted about  to specify monopoly, and as a result we left strongly far aside.

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> the state much that demands in exchange. And in army to descend, both taxes to pay, and the neighbor not to kill, and in shop not to steal. And now also a card of patterns. And the employer can force to carry you a suit, for example, simply because pays to you the salary. It is not pleasant to whom - change the employer, remaining  in a smoking-room and calm down. ov> in a case with these cards I, to tell the truth, do not understand in what a problem for the citizen: the same plastic which can be carried in the same cash dispense from which it is possible to receive the same money. A problem in a superfluous card? The purse pulls? These cards from my taxes are paid. If  forces the employees a suit to carry, it its expenditures anyhow. If its production as a result becomes the expensive, I will go I will buy the goods from at whom employees walk in what want, and let  is destroyed. And with the state so does not work. The state imposes to the employees any hogwash, and I cry eventually.

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S> These cards from my taxes are paid. If  forces the employees a suit to carry, it its expenditures anyhow. If its production as a result becomes the expensive, I will go I will buy the goods from at whom employees walk in what want, and let  is destroyed. And with the state so does not work. The state imposes to the employees any hogwash, and I cry eventually. Still what exactly here is good to understand is paid from your taxes. A infrastructure of payment system? I think, spread on all inhabitants of the country, it manages to you very cheaply. After all there is somewhere a basis of an INN,   which too are paid from your taxes, but like you do not object. If to look that you really you pay, so it is the commission for transactions. Them the seller pays, but shifts on you. But this commission you pay anyway without dependence from plastic which you use. A difference only in that how many and in whose pocket you pay. Let's tell New Zealand eftpos completely it is free both for the client and for business, that is the commission for payment - 0 % for all participants of the transaction. Therefore all small business accepts eftpos, and visas and  only for larger purchases when advantage outweighs percent of payment system. Here I from the world expect something similar in the long term. While, as I understand, there there are any rates for processing. In an ideal would be to remove too also them then also business would be tightened with the great pleasure. Here on this subject it would be interesting to talk instead of moaning about  and the civil rights.

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> still what exactly here is good to understand is paid from your taxes. A infrastructure of payment system? I think, spread on all inhabitants of the country, it manages to you very cheaply. Yes I and cheaply do not want to pay for it. ov> after all there is somewhere a basis of an INN,   which too are paid from your taxes, but like you do not object. If to think, I can and to object against those, in a principle, but it is other subject. ov> if to look that you really you pay, so it is the commission for transactions. Them the seller pays, but shifts on you. But this commission you pay anyway without dependence from plastic which you use. A difference only in that how many and in whose pocket you pay. The difference that I can select and as the seller - what cards to accept and what are not present and as buyer - whose cards to use, or generally with a cash to walk. ov> we tell New Zealand eftpos completely it is free both for the client and for business, that is the commission for payment - 0 % for all participants of the transaction. Therefore all small business accepts eftpos, and visas and  only for larger purchases when advantage outweighs percent of payment system. Here I from the world expect something similar in the long term. While, as I understand, there there are any rates for processing. In an ideal would be to remove too also them then also business would be tightened with the great pleasure. Here on this subject it would be interesting to talk instead of moaning about  and the civil rights. And I expect that in due course rates will be more than at the visa or , or that this world will be the state  directly, or both that and it together.

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S> Yes I and cheaply do not want to pay for it. If on  to esteem about national payment system is more detailed, it is clarified that all payments on all cards (both the visa, and the world) transit through it. So here a special choice it is not given to you for the purpose of support of uninterrupted operation of operation generally all cards in the country. S> a difference that I can select and as the seller - what cards to accept and what are not present and as buyer - whose cards to use, or generally with a cash to walk. On the same  it is told that banks already with might and main let out joint cards + . So formally nobody hinders the state employee to get wages on a card of patterns, and  the visa. S> and I expect that in due course rates will be more than at the visa or , or that this world will be the state  directly, or both that and it together. Well here we can only  for couple of years deliver and then estimate. Still to understand what now the commission that was with what to compare.

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Hello, ov, you wrote: S>> Yes I and cheaply do not want to pay for it. ov> if on  to esteem about national payment system is more detailed, it is clarified that all payments on all cards (both the visa, and the world) transit through it. So here a special choice it is not given to you for the purpose of support of uninterrupted operation of operation generally all cards in the country. And it is regrettable. S>> a difference that I can select and as the seller - what cards to accept and what are not present and as buyer - whose cards to use, or generally with a cash to walk. ov> on the same  it is told that banks already with might and main let out joint cards + . So formally nobody hinders the state employee to get wages on a card of patterns, and  the visa. Thus on former I pay this world. Nobody hinders the state employee to select, and here to me to select not to pay for the world it is impossible. S>> and I expect that in due course rates will be more than at the visa or , or that this world will be the state  directly, or both that and it together. ov> well here we can only  for couple of years deliver and then estimate. Still to understand what now the commission that was with what to compare. Aha, still to understand, how many it generally all costed.

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S> Aha, still to understand, how many it generally all costed. Well I as a result found rates on their site, there tens copecks for transaction - basically it is humane enough. And how many this system cost - yes even if one rouble, you after all and it are not ready to pay. The approach " is not necessary" is not constructive and conducts in lockup. You consider that with  it is enough visa, and if them suddenly cut down "outside" you will abuse the authorities that they finished before. Guessed? In such paradigm we far do not promote. I will deliver myself  for couple of years, we consider results in 2019

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> horses, people mixed up in a heap... I so understand, what in case of pensioners, receivers of manuals  at us are not present questions on these cards more and there the state can demand a card of patterns? Well. Manuals is a scanty part, the main payments - pensions and this money people earned salaries of state employees, it they have the right to demand

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Hello, ov, you wrote: ov> if on  to esteem about national payment system is more detailed, it is clarified that all payments on all cards (both the visa, and the world) transit through it. So here a special choice it is not given to you for the purpose of support of uninterrupted operation of operation generally all cards in the country. At me for 10 years the cash dispense never swallowed of money, and this year already 4 times (on ). ov> on the same  it is told that banks already with might and main let out joint cards + . So formally nobody hinders the state employee to get wages on a card of patterns, and  the visa. Why he cannot select what card to issue?

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Hello, ov, you wrote: S>> Aha, still to understand, how many it generally all costed. ov> well I as a result found rates on their site, there tens copecks for transaction - basically it is humane enough. And how many this system cost - yes even if one rouble, you after all and it are not ready to pay. Not, it is not ready. Same bother, as autovases or like that. ov> the approach " is not necessary" is not constructive and conducts in lockup. Let it is better  makes  the plane. I pound as much as from card of PATTERNS, and to look will be for certain cooler. The approach " the plane is not necessary" is not constructive and conducts in lockup. ov> you consider that with  it is enough visa, and if them suddenly cut down "outside" you will abuse the authorities that they finished before. ov> guessed? In such paradigm we far do not promote. In the country accept a cash, and outside of the country do not accept patterns. If ungear the visa with , in the country of anything especially does not change, and outside all the same nothing can be paid. Any I pound from the world in this plan is not present. ov> I will deliver myself  for couple of years, we consider results in 2019 Give.

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