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Topic: Whether survives.Net

Started to untie.Net from Windows. Now it turned out that high-grade  versions and are not present. And the Windows-version already became the inhabitant of the second sort. Rose in  - neither there and nor here. Such situation any more one year. How many will test still our faith? The faith already is not present so is strong... And linq here any more does not help, if libraries are not present...

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Re: Whether survives.Net

Hello, Alexander Polyakov, you wrote: AP> Started to untie.Net from Windows. Now it turned out that high-grade  versions and are not present. And the Windows-version already became the inhabitant of the second sort. Rose in  - neither there and nor here. Such situation any more one year. How many will test still our faith? The faith already is not present so is strong... And linq here any more does not help, if libraries are not present... The Horse-radish knows it. Here  to start to write on.Net Core. Really . There still all crude, people only start to ask questions and on questions all is visible what not smoothly. Reminds a situation with Windows Phone right at the beginning - too high hopes laid. By the way, with Java a situation not on much better after Oracle. The ugliest languages, type JS survive only.

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Hello, Alexander Polyakov, you wrote: AP> Started to untie.Net from Windows. Now it turned out that high-grade  versions and are not present. And the Windows-version already became the inhabitant of the second sort. Rose in  - neither there and nor here. Such situation any more one year. How many will test still our faith? The faith already is not present so is strong... And linq here any more does not help, if libraries are not present... Now.Net Core at level.Net 4.6.1. Both branches for the account.Net Standard Polnotsennyjs it  will develop? Too develops https://github.com/xamarin/Xamarin.Form … re-Roadmap

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S> Polnotsennyjs it ? Too develops https://github.com/xamarin/Xamarin.Form … re-Roadmap libraries Are necessary for: 1. To generate pdf. 2. GUI. Xamarin it, to put it mildly, not seriously.

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S> both branches for the account.Net Standard For the last years Will develop it is visible that after appearance.Net Standard development.Net Framework was decelerated in comparison with previous years. Such sensation that on.Net Framework steels , and efforts were spread by a thin layer. As result, trample on the same place some years. It is amusing that ASP.Net Core it was declared for development acceleration. But while deceleration. And time already transited much. And still Hejlsberg does now reports not on C#, and on TypeScript. And on C# any little-known employee does reports.  spread already under two version C# 7 and C# 7.1. And procrastinated  long enough. Before such brothel was not. And pattern matching any left unfinished....

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Hello, Alexander Polyakov, you wrote: AP> Now it turned out that high-grade  versions and are not present. How many will test still our faith? Very much smells slightly    which "trust" in one of 10 libraries and use it despite of everything. The wolf does not need to ask religion of a sheep. The market told "is necessary C# " - you mean go and write on C#. That is important.NET - a platform from large , any "", etc. So if you in , you will always find operation. AP> and the Windows-version already became the inhabitant of the second sort. It with what ? Just Win.NET also is unique high-grade "" under which all and write. And any Barks -  for  and the activity image on a wave "" (which  it is least necessary). AP> Rose in  - neither there and nor here. Such situation any more one year. Well, here or  it will be torn, or Nadellu throw out for confused  forces and return  "Principal Dotnet". I do not trust in Core, it conceptually - is correct, but it was necessary to do it 15 years ago. Besides, raising at Shakespeare , it is necessary to understand accurately, what problems are caused by sitting on two chairs: or you create uniform API = "the Greatest Intersection" API different platforms, obviously losing advantages of everyone, or saw the general abstract library, and for each platform create the (as much as possible general) API with singularities of each OS and then source codes become intolerable. Generally, I am am pleased ever less with idea of any "virtual machines". On Vendodesktope of resources the sea, but even there . And sense to saw same VM for ARM? Or "Elbrus", not by the night it will be remembered?... In that and charm CPU that in it is convenient commands for all conceivable operations. VM brings this all to nothing, producing primitive  the code from a subset of all commands. It is obvious that in the mobile world this approach - most . But  continue to saw Dalviki and to drive there .    children!

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Re: Whether survives.Net

Hello, Alexander Polyakov, you wrote: AP> Started to untie.Net from Windows. Now it turned out that high-grade  versions and are not present. And the Windows-version already became the inhabitant of the second sort. Rose in  - neither there and nor here. Such situation any more one year. How many will test still our faith? The faith already is not present so is strong... And linq here any more does not help, if libraries are not present... I somewhere from more half a year wrote that a project piece on Core 1.1 (very much it would be desirable to look as microservices in a project infrastructure get accustomed) - then it is all welcomed, now all project drag on Core, but 2.0... Aha, it with  on WCF... Any careful admonitions about " operations, also leave the current version on orthodox.NET" did not help - I urgently master deep  and I am engaged in extraworking hours in the Erlang with the Elixir...

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Yes tried, here... Encountered yet a ferro-concrete barrier. The Oracle do not have support net.core To me actually and it is necessary to steam of requests to , the most elementary means. How to make?

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> Yes tried, here... Encountered yet a ferro-concrete barrier. The Oracle do not have support net.core To me actually and it is necessary to steam of requests to , the most elementary means. How to make? For pair requests the elementary means can use the informal client. Supports ADO.NET,  both under windows and under linux. Is not present either EF or lin2db, however. Classes and name spaces are similar old System. Data. Oracle which was in.NET to an output ODP.NET.  the official provider under a bark "by the end of 2017" promised, well can is fast produces . While only here this, informal.

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> Yes tried, here... Encountered yet a ferro-concrete barrier. The Oracle do not have support net.core To me actually and it is necessary to steam of requests to , the most elementary means. How to make? And unless at approach Core to a DB not  - what DB is used? Here read Entity Framework Core in Action "Dapper is a NuGet package, available on.NET and.NET Core, that executes SQL code and then copies the results back to.NET classes. It uses ADO.NET underneath so it can work with any databases that ADO.NET supports, such as... Oracle... and others."

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Hello, sourcerer, you wrote: _>> Yes tried, here... Encountered yet a ferro-concrete barrier. The Oracle do not have support net.core To me actually and it is necessary to steam of requests to , the most elementary means. How to make? S> and unless at approach Core to a DB not  - what DB is used?  if the provider is. But for Orakl-BD Orakl the official provider till now did not let out. There is one informal, but as a whole the people wait for the official promised by Oraklom. S> Here read Entity Framework Core in Action the written provider Is necessary someone. S> "Dapper is here it the informal provider supports, but not all use dapper

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Hello, sourcerer, you wrote: S> Any careful admonitions about " operations, also leave the current version on orthodox.NET" did not help - I urgently master deep  and I am engaged in extraworking hours in the Erlang with the Elixir... How to you the Elixir?

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Hello, Kernan, you wrote: K> Hello, sourcerer, you wrote: S>> Any careful admonitions about " operations, also leave the current version on orthodox.NET" did not help - I urgently master deep  and I am engaged in extraworking hours in the Erlang with the Elixir... K> As to you the Elixir? I work with services in distributed systems therefore there was a seditious thought that here it (Elixir)  microservices can win the concept, brains own need to be recustomized - any OOP, and for me it was terrifying - but until the new concept does not become "native". For example, it is not required special dances with a tambourine at service falling - it rises (that absolutely it is no wonder, because in Elixir guts - the Erlang). Generally language (certainly, it after  can seem very unusual), possibilities wide - for example there is a unit allowing to implement machines of states and  is possible so and about DSL it it it it it it is possible to think (here this subject yet did not dig - only reviews read, a need is) very is pleasant. And  very friendly (at them in April in Warsaw conference of the European users is planned). Here the question about advantages of the Elixir against Java (very informative) For review is required registration at a forum (it free)

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Hello, Alexander Polyakov, you wrote: S>> both branches for the account.Net Standard AP> For the last years Will develop it is visible that after appearance.Net Standard development.Net Framework was decelerated in comparison with previous years. Such sensation that on.Net Framework steels , and efforts were spread by a thin layer. As result, trample on the same place some years. AP> it is amusing that ASP.Net Core it was declared for development acceleration. But while deceleration. And time already transited much. AP> and still Hejlsberg does now reports not on C#, and on TypeScript. And on C# any little-known employee does reports.  spread already under two version C# 7 and C# 7.1. And procrastinated  long enough. Before such brothel was not. And pattern matching any left unfinished.... It was once again braked, what to make even.Net Core and normal FW. Now there will be a development of both branches. It is necessary to consider that MS now earns on clouds, and there dockers under  and Core  are claimed. And Hejlsberg already left for a long time in TypeScript which develops not on days, and on hours. Well and about.Net Standard 2 version that quitted more recently. In August.

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Hello, Alexander Polyakov, you wrote: AP> Started to untie.Net from Windows. Now it turned out that high-grade  versions and are not present. And the Windows-version already became the inhabitant of the second sort. Rose in  - neither there and nor here. Such situation any more one year. How many will test still our faith? The faith already is not present so is strong... And linq here any more does not help, if libraries are not present... Well , all while suffices. For itself wrote the small project on.NET Core - works absolutely stablly on the bad hosting. And to a. net Framework of claims is not present - libraries suffice for everything, and in "a bloody enterprise" Windows costs almost at all. Generally to normal customers as a rule all the same under what works as a software until it solves business tasks. On my storage there was no order with the requirement "normal ". The requirement "do on what want, if only it was ready still yesterday" arises permanently, and about a speech platform was never last week to me the colleague-dzhavist concerning emulator development  bar codes addressed - after long tortures (lasting already one day) decided all to make on.NET. Really it appeared that it is the most easier. More shortly, the panic any is not present. Well and if dies, and let it pass - we sit down for another. The blessing the majority of the modern languages as nested dolls - all on one  And thanks to searchers a learning curve very abrupt (we remember a joke about "= on stackoverflow")

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Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: K> the Wolf does not need to ask religion of a sheep. The market told "is necessary C# " - you mean go and write on C#. That is important.NET - a platform from large , any "", etc. So if you in , you will always find operation. And at what here ? Possessing some formation, it is already possible to search for operation. And the less than requirements, the search will be more successful. And here with  just problems arise the such. We tell, after  a desktop on  it is very difficult to find operation, when around one web. K> it with what ? Just Win.NET also is unique high-grade "" under which all and write. And any Barks -  for  and the activity image on a wave "" (which  it is least necessary). Bravo - is all"and there are remaining For a long time already everyones mony-ksamariny and other   already norm, judging by vacancies.

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I> For a long time already everyones mony-ksamariny and other   already norm, judging by vacancies.  links?