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RF> This surrounding can be replaced with another. Not a question - all is possible. But pressure is, as do not twist. By the way it always was, even in imperial Russia. In  environment of a part of intelligency and nobility sincerely believing looked outsiders.

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LL> However 71 % of the population (on ) declared that they orthodox (compare from 20 % in 90-s'). Well here mine the neighbor in garage - the Tatar, states that it the orthodox Moslem. Interesting, it gets to what percent?

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Hello, Dym On, you wrote: LL>> However 71 % of the population (on ) declared that they orthodox (compare from 20 % in 90-s'). DO> Well here mine the neighbor in garage - the Tatar, states that it the orthodox Moslem. Interesting, it gets to what percent? In  it gets, . Here.

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> it is at night, not? And churches not rubber and the calculation method is not transparent. By an amount of the bought candles?

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RF>> Now not Soviet period, or "environment" in this business is not present any pressure of the authorities. _> On  for example is. Their circle is narrow, they are terribly far from the people (.

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: GIV>> it is exact not to you to solve who orthodox and who is not present. K> a creed without Google feeblly to quote?  it is necessary to the atheist?

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: >> it is at night, not? And churches not rubber K> and the calculation method is not transparent. By an amount of the bought candles? On a photo

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: RF>> This surrounding can be replaced with another. _> by the way it always was, even in imperial Russia. In  environment of a part of intelligency and nobility sincerely believing looked outsiders. But among peasants it was not so. _> In  environment of a part of intelligency and nobility sincerely believing looked outsiders. Here it also led Russia to revolutions of 1917!

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> But among peasants it was not so. RF> Here it also led Russia to revolutions of 1917! So peasants could not control the country and more many all to do demanding formation. Them certainly too it is possible to teach and give experience, here only it lowers at once religiousness level, even in first generation, not to mention the following.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Los Chtostrjaslos, you wrote: > on a photo So Moslems to consider even more conveniently.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, rool, you wrote: R> not It. Important that you trust or not. If the person trusts Here only a question - in what he trusts? What if it to whom that prays, to it on a full-sphere examination deliver, operation will be , there will be a heap of mistresses and lovers? And that a faith a minimum 90  orthodox - here you see, such that  in church walks candles to put, here therefore that it and has a heap of mistresses except the wife, goes for a drive on abrupt  and holds in administration an abrupt post. It is all the Lord gives. And you,  horse-radishes, go for a drive on what  and except the wife at you generally anybody - therefore you and the loser that in church do not walk. Here it is real - approximately such words some  want to force me that I honored any church holidays.

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL> However 71 % of the population (on ) declared that they orthodox Well so it is those who considers that concerns orthodox culture. Give the reference to that . Such  are normally remarkable that the amount of believers there is less, than an amount of "orthodox". LL> (compare from 20 % in 90-s'). And  on 20 % orthodox in 90 it is possible?

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> pressure of the environment Pressure of the environment now completely "orthodox".  is almost mandatory, and if the person suddenly not-pravoslaven it accustom to be silent and not to stick out it. Small haunts of vice like  generally in any way do not influence a pattern.

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Hello, GarryIV, you wrote: GIV> to Nafiga it is necessary to the atheist? To the orthodox atheist?

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL> Then it will be, undoubtedly, believing, but Sotsoprosy will not be orthodox reveal percent of the people, which itself consider orthodox. Well here there are, let us assume, biological criteria of an accessory of the person to  to race. But it in any way does not hinder the person to mark itself the Black in sociological inquiries, so after all? LL> for orthodox, on determination is an inhering to orthodox church. It, obviously, not that determination which those who names itself orthodox on  use. LL> Separately from church no Orthodoxy is present, for is told: LL> the Orthodox Church lips of sacred fathers states that rescue can be found only in Church Christ's. And?. How it can prevent to name and consider to someone itself orthodox? The person can consider itself as the hobbit and him will not excite at all that of it think I "rub-tolkienisty". The orthodox church does not have exclusive rights on a word "orthodox". This word you can name everybody and everything. And, note, when speech comes about allocation of budgetary funds, the church for some reason proceeds at all from an amount "officially ", and sticks into that digit which more and assures that they "represent interests of overwhelming majority" LL> For "" that you knew, even to pray in church it is forbidden. Here run in  the acquaintance tried for another, a cancer ill, to pray - so immediately obtained  and received threat of ejecting of their arrival. Here  a hogwash. - and to smoke at restaurant it is possible? - Is not present, it is impossible. - but after all behind that little table smoke. - and they do not ask. The most part of people is not soared by Russian Orthodox Church requirements. Descend, stand on "service", deliver a candle and home, to sin further.

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Hello, L.Long! LL> In Christmas divine services took part about 2 % of Russians. It is everything that it is necessary to know about Russia as to the orthodox country. Where two or three are collected in My name, there I in the middle of them. . 18.20

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Hello, Los Chtostrjaslos, you wrote: > it is at night, not? And churches not rubber Tell it to Moslems about  churches

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Hello, Vi2, you wrote: GIV>> to Nafiga it is necessary to the atheist? Vi2> to the orthodox atheist? I see that templates crack, so that I will try to explain. I do not consider myself orthodox but if someone says that it orthodox/Catholic/Wahhabite I will consider as its that. And me to spit that the metropolitan, the Pope and L.Long about it think.

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Hello, GarryIV, you wrote: Vi2> to the Orthodox atheist? GIV> I see that templates crack, so that I will try to explain. My sentence makes sense, since the atheist exists in the historical society dividing certain values. For example, we are orthodox atheists. Not well Muslim and not Catholic because we do not face at all these values. GIV> I do not consider myself orthodox but if someone says that it orthodox/Catholic/Wahhabite I will consider as its that. And not to spit that the metropolitan, the Pope and L.Long about it think. Well L.Long offered, - and correctly offered, - that "Orthodoxy is a specific faith with specific rules", with which it is impossible to agree simply become orthodox believers. It is possible for atheists, and here believer is not present.

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Unfortunately you I will disappoint. The faith in god, as well as absence of skeptical mentality is a defect back  crinkles zadne-temjannoj brain areas. By an old age some have a faith in god owing to destructive processes in a head brain caused by sclerous processes and Alzheimer's disease...

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BS> Unfortunately you I will disappoint. There is no kid, you did not disappoint me, and  the naif faith in omnipotence of pseudoscientific words. Yes, it calms many, in eyes to truth to look terribly.

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Hello, Vi2, you wrote: Vi2> that "Orthodoxy is a specific faith with specific rules", with which it is impossible to agree simply become orthodox believers. Who forbade?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Who forbade? Not who, and that.

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Hello, Vi2, you wrote: Vi2> Not who, and that. So does not happen.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>