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In Christmas divine services took part about 2 % of Russians. It is everything that it is necessary to know about Russia as to the orthodox country.

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL> In Christmas divine services took part about 2 % of Russians. It is everything that it is necessary to know about Russia as to the orthodox country. I think that when about Russia speak as about the orthodox country understand not , and the istoriko-cultural-traditional aspect is faster. Anybody never also did not say that the majority walks on services.

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Hello, Amon_RA, you wrote: LL>> In Christmas divine services took part about 2 % of Russians. It is everything that it is necessary to know about Russia as to the orthodox country. A_R> I think that when about Russia speak as about the orthodox country understand not , and the istoriko-cultural-traditional aspect is faster. Anybody never also did not say that the majority walks on services. However 71 % of the population (on ) declared that they orthodox (compare from 20 % in 90-s').

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL> However 71 % of the population (on ) declared that they orthodox. 90 % of people - generally any. Concerns not only religion.

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It is a lot of from those people who at least declare itself orthodox, is closer to an old age when there is less pressure of the environment and the end of earth life it is close, come to the present faith. So we will consider it as a reserve

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL> I do not confuse. Or you  that is, orthodox, or you generally figs know who. Because Orthodoxy is a specific faith with specific rules. It is exact not to you to solve who orthodox and who is not present.

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Hello, GarryIV, you wrote: LL>> I do not confuse. Or you  that is, orthodox, or you generally figs know who. Because Orthodoxy is a specific faith with specific rules. GIV> it is exact not to you to solve who orthodox and who is not present. It is exact not to you to decide that to me to solve.

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LL> I do not confuse. Or you  that is, orthodox, or you generally figs know who. Because Orthodoxy is a specific faith with specific rules. Not it. Important that you trust or not. If the person trusts,  orthodox church, and identifies itself as orthodox - obviously it orthodox. That that it partially does not observe ceremonies of the faith, does not walk in church etc. only does it not  orthodox. Far not 2 % do not walk in church but thus celebrates church holidays like Christmas, Easter, a red hill and ., carry  crosses, have houses of an icon and other attributes of Russian Orthodox Church... And if to take a detached view stories even the faith is not especially important, tired out by prince Vladimir in the river pagans automatically became orthodox, is not dependent on their desires, and  thus what to trust they continued in Svoroga, Peruna etc. that church them christened the Main thing

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Hello, rool, you wrote: LL>> I do not confuse. Or you  that is, orthodox, or you generally figs know who. Because Orthodoxy is a specific faith with specific rules. R> not it. Important that you trust or not. And here it is just absolutely unimportant. A faith and an accessory to faith - different things. R> if the person trusts,  orthodox church, and identifies itself as orthodox - obviously it orthodox. It not so. It as Komsomol. He can not trust generally, but to be  and to observe demanded ceremonies, thus it will be orthodox. And can devoutly trust, but hammer in a horse-radish on church and priests. Then it will be, undoubtedly, believing, but orthodox will not be, for orthodox, on determination is an inhering to orthodox church. Separately from church no Orthodoxy is present, for is told: the Orthodox Church lips of sacred fathers states that rescue can be found only in Church Christ's. R> That that it partially does not observe ceremonies of the faith, does not walk in church etc. only does it not  orthodox. Here leave, please, these troubles and the tricks invented by priests during heavy times of dialectic materialism.  to you not recently. For "" that you knew, even to pray in church it is forbidden. Here run in  the acquaintance tried for another, a cancer ill, to pray - so immediately obtained  and received threat of ejecting of their arrival. Here  a hogwash.

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LL> It not so. It as Komsomol. He can not trust generally, but to be  and to observe demanded ceremonies, thus it will be orthodox. And can devoutly trust, but hammer in a horse-radish on church and priests. Then it will be, undoubtedly, believing, but orthodox will not be, for orthodox, on determination is an inhering to orthodox church. Separately from church no Orthodoxy is present, for is told: LL> LL> the Orthodox Church lips of sacred fathers states that rescue can be found only in Church Christ's. Excuse, but to me as that is not believed that all is universal  Vladimir pagans observed ceremonies, and generally walked in church... Nevertheless the church orthodox considered them

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: You try to push the private judgement and any special cases into results of statistics. And after all you want, probably to look objective and reasonable? Only it turns out on the contrary. Reasonably we can operate only with results of inquiries. By your words of 71 % name itself believers? Here only it at us also is. And you begin any  in the answer. And, without understanding and disregarding, for example, that half from those two percent if it is no more -  the gapers who have come into a temple. And you attribute them somewhere. Without their demand, by the way. Or it is good, give we recall words of Nitsshe that in the history there was only one Christian and that was crucified. That is never anywhere there were no Christian countries. You want to show it? Well it is silly.

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Hello, Amon_RA, you wrote: A_R> You try to push the private judgement and any special cases into results of statistics. And after all you want, probably to look objective and reasonable? Only it turns out on the contrary. I modestly suppose, what not your business as I want to look. Your judgement, you see to me . Thus by default it is supposed that you have a just cause to answer me with the same. A_R> reasonably we can operate only with results of inquiries. That's it such result also is resulted in the initial message, and at you from it happened , .

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: Well everything, well everything, calm down, sigh more deeply, relax. I understand, hatred to everything that though somehow concerns Orthodoxy - it will be more serious so hated by you "", but it is necessary somehow to learn to behave in hands. , sleep, my pleasure, fall asleep.

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Hello, Amon_RA, you wrote: A_R> Well everything, well everything, calm down, sigh more deeply, relax. I meanwhile did not worry. I it, you see still in FIDO stopped - to worry because of entertainments.

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL> In Christmas divine services took part about 2 % of Russians. It is everything that it is necessary to know about Russia as to the orthodox country. Unfortunately, but it is similar to truth. I was on Christmas service in a temple of New martyrs and Confessors Russian in Komitetsky Wood in a city to the Queen on morning service which began at 9 o'clock - to the people was much, the person 200 - 250 if it is no more.

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> when there is less pressure of the environment That you consider under "pressure of the environment"? Now not Soviet period, or "environment" in this business is not present any pressure of the authorities.

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GIV> it is exact not to you to solve who orthodox and who is not present. A creed without Google feeblly to quote?

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RF> Now not Soviet period, or "environment" in this business is not present any pressure of the authorities. On  for example is. The authorities are not present, and the judgement of associates is. If the person in completely atheistic surrounding starts to show explicitly the religiousness quickly acquires reputation of the gone mad idiot.

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL> In Christmas divine services took part about 2 % of Russians. It is everything that it is necessary to know about Russia as to the orthodox country. It disturbs you? You would like to talk about it?

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Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL> In Christmas divine services took part about 2 % of Russians. It is at night, not? And churches not the rubber

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Hello, L.Long, you wrote: LL>> In Christmas divine services took part about 2 % of Russians. It is everything that it is necessary to know about Russia as to the orthodox country. Pzz> it disturbs you? You would like to talk about it? Yes, it disturbs the person also to it it would be desirable to talk about it.

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Hello, s_aa, you wrote: RF>> Now not Soviet period, or "environment" in this business is not present any pressure of the authorities. _> On  for example is. The authorities are not present, and the judgement of associates is. It is possible to send this judgement where far away. On  one judgement of associates, on www.sql.ru other judgement of associates. _> if the person in completely atheistic surrounding starts to show explicitly the religiousness quickly acquires reputation of the gone mad idiot. This surrounding can be replaced with another. "Surrounding" is not all society.