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Hello, zverjuga, you wrote: Q>> Generally, the dogma of communists that "in the west too plan" fairly bothered, it would be time to invent something . Z> at what here dogma of communists? That eyes happens see. Well and if to you bothered, it is your American Indian problems. Behind claims go to the western economy which works according to plan. The western economy does not work according to plan! And your obstinacy begins . If it works according to plan, show me a site of the American State Planning Committee. All western firms work in the market, at own risk. And that they plan something at themselves inside is their private affair which does not have to a planned economy the slightest relation!

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: Q>> and there there can be competitors which  your plan to hell. DH> and it is frequent at the Boeing with Intel competitors appear? They each other competitors - you have not enough of it?! Or you think, what there is a certain world State Planning Committee which arranges in between orders? Alas, they work in the market. And if they in themselves plan something, it has no the slightest relation to a planned economy as well as my planning to make repair in apartment does not do the Russian economy planned. . And generally - I like your approach: to find the enterprises with the minimum quantity of competitors and on this private example to do outputs about all economy.

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: the C> Success of the USSR, led to that that almost all countries began to apply planning. You say lies, Cs> Worldwide did not begin to apply planning worldwide began to follow on the Stalin socialist way. Cuba, Vietnam... What impudent generalization! Truth Cuba and Vietnam - not all world. Not to mention that Cuba because of it sticks out for a long time in deep , and Vietnam refused for a long time a socialism and planning. A C> Still the reason in that that in the USSR did not teach economy as a science. Cs> Accordingly now at us do not know economy. Here this only thing with what I can agree completely.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> And after  reforms by the purpose there was a profit obtaining. Yes that you clung to this  to reform? Was it never! They never began to execution. There were only arguings, exceptional at the highest levels then it silently drowned. And if it was, probably destinies of the USSR was not so sad and it could pass to market economy smoothly and without disorder, as China.

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > As  clever men which are not able to consider a planned economy and a socialism without Stalin. Over ! It is time. > And market economy in the form of a piece  I behind a window see every day. These are two. You are simple . And never saw that shit which was in the USSR. And when you will see, you will understand that now you live in paradise. However, will be already late. > capitalism, the market - on ! Who considers all on another - over ! > Only a socialism and a planned economy, and in any way differently! There is nothing to consider here and so clearly! Ah, what categoriality! And to you did not come to mind, what if to have a look from the opposite side it is possible to draw the same output on you?

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: whether Q> And who solves this branch is perspective or not? If in the state someone makes such decisions - that is a direct way to corruption, for a small board this person recognizes manufacture   perspective and produces all privileges. Or it is necessary to produce privileges all without an exception to new branches? But then it will be the legalized robbery of the state - dream of Petrika.  you wrote this bosh, after all there is a good term "".

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: >> Capitalism, the market - on ! Who considers all on another - over ! >> Only a socialism and a planned economy, and in any way differently! There is nothing to consider here and so clearly! Q> ah, what categoriality! And to you did not come to mind, what if to have a look from the opposite side it is possible to draw the same output on you? In it I completely support you! And Down it also is .

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: a C> Unfortunately from practice. As soon as what country starts to carry out liberal reforms inexplicably forgets about own interests and common sense. And as soon as I  the machine, it is raining. The reason not in liberal reforms, and in something the friend can? For example in executors?

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Hello, biochemist, you wrote: B> you wrote to Nahrena this bosh, after all there is a good term "". By the way yes, even it is not necessary to invent. Here is how time an example when someone tries to find perspective branches in the state - Skolkovo. But despite this living example there are people who again and again urge to walk twice into the same water.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: a C>> Unfortunately from practice. As soon as what country starts to carry out liberal reforms inexplicably forgets about own interests and common sense. Q> and as soon as I  the machine, it is raining. The reason not in liberal reforms, and in something the friend can? For example in executors? The reason, of course, not in sensible liberalism. The reason in those forces which under liberalism slogans the interests advance. Pure liberalism in my understanding is the full uncontrollable freedom in economy. It is ineffective and even is dangerous at strongly monopolized market.

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Hello, zverjuga, you wrote: Z> because the western economy - planned. Look at large corporations - they work on the plan. And precisely also in advance plan the future incomes and sales amounts. Then and the Russian economy too the planned. Each factory too plans. Moreover, even the trading stall plans sales amounts. And about what then talk?

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> Yes that you clung to this  to reform? Was it never! They never began to execution. There were only arguings, exceptional at the highest levels then it silently drowned. Was. At first successful, but it is a stage of a failure from "voluntarism" in the economy organization. Then negative sides and incompatibility with socialist even minimum rudiments of the economic approach to an estimation  the enterprises in the conditions of a planned economy were showed, and reform contracted. Oddish opponents caught to absolutely idiotic statement that  reforms it is a failure from a socialism. Without speaking about most illiterate of them transferring the beginning of reform and responsibility for them on Khruschev. Q> and if it was probably destinies of the USSR was not so sad and it could pass to market economy smoothly and without disorder, as China. Kosyginsky reforms even in case of their continuation and close did not come nearer to Dan's reforms, even to socialist economic system of the East Europe allies did not come nearer, without speaking about  Yugoslavia.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Patsak, you wrote: It is, of course, true, only there is one nuance. The majority of Russians even now, in quarter of the century after passage to the market, live in the habitation constructed still at the time of the USSR. And the considerable part of the goods of daily demand too is produced at the factories which have saved from Soviet period. Yes, updated, with the import equipment, but nevertheless. Than there would be the modern market Russia, not be at it on start of such rich basis - the horse-radish knows it. Quite probably that already generally would be nothing... The Majority of citizens at Stalin worked on fields opened still at the time of . To what from this can draw an output?

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Oddish opponents caught to absolutely idiotic statement that  reforms it is a failure from a socialism. . That, orientation to profit it not a failure from communism? At communism of money will not be, what then profit?

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Hello, nme, you wrote: nme> the Majority of citizens at Stalin worked on fields opened still at the time of . To what from this can draw an output? The majority of citizens at Stalin, worked at factories constructed at Stalin.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> the Majority of citizens at Stalin, worked at factories constructed at Stalin. The majority of citizens at Stalin nevertheless worked on fields - the agricultural population share was more.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> Hm. That, orientation to profit it not a failure from communism? At communism of money will not be, what then profit? And at a socialism is. . That, existence of public authorities it not a failure from communism? At state communism will not be, what then narcofloor-mats, the ministries, army, law enforcement bodies?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> the Majority of citizens at Stalin, worked at factories constructed at Stalin. P> the majority of citizens at Stalin nevertheless worked on fields - the agricultural population share was more. On fields already nobody worked. Wheat sowed and collected - workers of MTS.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> On fields already nobody worked. Wheat sowed and collected - workers of MTS. And to sow and press it any more operation? To what , ours of paradoxes the friend?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> Hm. That, orientation to profit it not a failure from communism? At communism of money will not be, what then profit? P> and at a socialism is. And at a socialism is not present. The uniform monopoly cannot earn profit - it simply has no place to undertake. The western economy faces it. At them already banking percent negative even. As Marx predicted all. P> Hm. That, existence of public authorities it not a failure from communism? At state communism will not be, what then narcofloor-mats, the ministries, army, law enforcement bodies? Existence is not a failure. But that the socialism ripened in communism, money and public authorities should die off. And if instead you on the contrary demand that all gained money are a way opposite, a way of transformation of a socialism to capitalism - that as a result and happened.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> On fields already nobody worked. Wheat sowed and collected - workers of MTS. P> and to sow and press it any more operation? It was done by workers at the factory constructed by Stalin. That it . - you should not confuse that, and confuses.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> the Western economy does not work according to plan! And your obstinacy begins . If it works according to plan, show me a site of the American State Planning Committee. All western firms work in the market, at own risk. And that they plan something at themselves inside is their private affair which does not have to a planned economy the slightest relation! Well and me  that you . And especially anything to show to you I do not gather.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> It was done by workers on the constructed Stalin factory. That it . - you should not confuse that, and confuses. Name as you want, the master  epithets, only it in any way refutes the Majority of citizens at Stalin worked on fields opened still at the time of . To what from this can draw an output? And the brought attention to the question does not answer.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>