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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> It was done by workers on the constructed Stalin factory. That it . - you should not confuse that, and confuses. P> name as you want, the master  epithets, only it in any way refutes P> P> the Majority of citizens at Stalin worked on fields opened still at the time of . To what from this can draw an output? Aha, and weeding these is result of explosion supernew billions years ago. But it is interesting to us, not whence it is all came, and that than it is now. And now (1950) it not fields, and .. There workers Also work. And not the majority, and only small % - workers of MTS.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> And at a socialism is not present. Certainly is not present. Do not worry only, and money at a socialism is not present, and rsdn.ru is not present, DEMON HOOD it is a dream. DH> existence is not a failure. But that the socialism ripened in communism, money and public authorities should die off. And if instead you on the contrary demand that all gained money are a way opposite, a way of transformation of a socialism to capitalism - that as a result and happened. But what you will do if without money not to create in any way financially-tehnicheskoju basis of communism? Here that highest labor productivity which  for communism in any way without money not to create. At me a simple sentence - give we take on trust that the communism is imagination, and all remaining that we saw the eyes, our parents and other ancestors - a reality saw. And then all rises on the places and all contradictions with paradoxes disappear.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> aha, and weeding these is result of explosion supernew billions years ago. There is no field this result of that once on the average some centuries, back our ancestors burned out woods and opened  spaces, and somewhere opened steppes. DH> but to us it is interesting, not whence it is all came, and that than it is now. And now (1950) it not fields, and .. That is fields they ceased to be from it? Yes you further "the national academician" would go in those days also it surpassed. Truth it is rumored that Stalin did not love such , but same only hearing. DH> there workers also work. And not the majority, and only small % - workers of MTS. Whether esteem that something from the marquis-Leninism-stalinizma, something about distinctions between a city and village, rural and  work, working class and peasantry. Too phrase-mongering is finite, but be engaged in something.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> And at a socialism is not present. P> Certainly is not present. Do not worry only, and money at a socialism is not present, and rsdn.ru is not present, DEMON HOOD it is a dream. At a socialism money is. They are not present only at communism. DH>> existence is not a failure. But that the socialism ripened in communism, money and public authorities should die off. And if instead you on the contrary demand that all gained money are a way opposite, a way of transformation of a socialism to capitalism - that as a result and happened. P> but what you will do if without money not to create in any way financially-tehnicheskoju basis of communism? Here that highest labor productivity which  for communism in any way without money not to create. There was money both died off. Also there was no money. What disappointment. P> at me a simple sentence - give we take on trust that the communism is imagination, and all remaining that we saw the eyes, our parents and other ancestors - a reality saw. And then all rises on the places and all contradictions with paradoxes disappear. Communism it not imagination, and the scientific theory. Therefore on trust I will not accept anything, I unlike you - the non-believer. And that our ancestors saw - was capitalism building in the USSR. It is equal all those symptoms of illness: swelling of Moscow, and withering , foliation on rich and poor,  . But only in the USSR capitalism was sickly, and now strong - and consequently symptoms became brighter.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> aha, and weeding these is result of explosion supernew billions years ago. P> There is no field this result of that once on the average some centuries, back our ancestors burned out woods and opened  spaces, and somewhere opened steppes. No, fields is a product of explosion supernew. And even generally - a Big Bang Product. DH>> but to us it is interesting, not whence it is all came, and that than it is now. And now (1950) it not fields, and .. P> That is fields they ceased to be from it? Ceased. Now it ., on which, a share actually fields in business process - very insignificant. DH>> there workers also work. And not the majority, and only small % - workers of MTS. Whether P> esteem that something from the marquis-Leninism-stalinizma, something about distinctions between a city and village, rural and  work, working class and peasantry. Too phrase-mongering is finite, but be engaged in something. Aha. Means, when it appeared, what for harvesting at Stalin were the majority of the population is involved not - you to me suggest to go something to esteem? Draining is included.

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> Here whence people that a planned economy take better than market? A unique argument - that Stalin won war. And the USA lost war?

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: GZ>> Here whence people that a planned economy take better than market? Q> simply people see the Russian problems that the industry collapses I Suppose, they see only Moscow. I do not see that the industry collapses. Simply now there is less than need in huge factories (Marx strongly was mistaken in the assumptions). Manufacture came nearer to a customer.

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Hello, alpha21264, you wrote: GZ>> Here whence people that a planned economy take better than market? A> market at us was till 1917. Feudal was, instead of market. Market yet was not, though market economy elements can be met and in a neolith

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> at a socialism money is. They are not present only at communism. That is, is not present. Here is how to you to talk DH> There was money both died off. Also there was no money. What disappointment. It where so? In a floor  Kampuchea? So it not for long existed, and it is not cheerful DH> Communism not imagination, and the scientific theory. Therefore on trust I will not accept anything, I unlike you - the non-believer. How it you the non-believer? Named a scientific hypothesis not having acknowledgement by the theory, checked in it, and the non-believer checked in religious sense, and suddenly?" Practice - criterion of true ", it this most  a granite molded. DH> and that our ancestors saw - was capitalism building in the USSR. It is equal all those symptoms of illness: swelling of Moscow, and withering , foliation on rich and poor,  . But only in the USSR capitalism was sickly, and now strong - and consequently symptoms became brighter. Yes for God's sake. Name" sickly capitalism in the USSR "that remaining name a socialism. Simply consider that in the USSR any another was not. And in the fastest economic growth money had still   for the Soviet citizens. It only Khruschev tried to lower a role of money, manufactures in personal part-time farms, to approach the peasant to the worker renaming collective farms into state farms. By the way, you just retold a Khruschev's nonsense about workers on fields, but it though from  thirst to construct communism to 1980 this nonsense carried, and you from desire to argue... . <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> at a socialism money is. They are not present only at communism. P> that is is not present. Here is how to you to talk At communism is not present. Read more attentively. DH>> there was money both died off. Also there was no money. What disappointment. P> it where so? In a floor  Kampuchea? So it not for long existed, and is not cheerful For example in the USSR, truth without having time to die off their Khruschev again gave birth. DH>> communism it not imagination, and the scientific theory. Therefore on trust I will not accept anything, I unlike you - the non-believer. P> as it you the non-believer? Named a scientific hypothesis not having acknowledgement by the theory, checked in it, and the non-believer checked in religious sense, and suddenly?" Practice - criterion of true ", it this most  a granite molded. Well here in practice, all also happens as at Marx in the Capital is written. DH>> and that our ancestors saw - was capitalism building in the USSR. It is equal all those symptoms of illness: swelling of Moscow, and withering , foliation on rich and poor,  . But only in the USSR capitalism was sickly, and now strong - and consequently symptoms became brighter. P> yes for God's sake. Name" sickly capitalism in the USSR "that remaining name a socialism. Well it is possible to name an elephant a buffalo also. The paper endures all. P> it only Khruschev tried to lower a role of money reorienting the enterprises on profit? P> By the way, you powerfully shutter just retold a Khruschev's nonsense about workers on fields Workers on fields? Khruschev? Yes it also dismissed MTS, and workers on fields - did not become!

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: DH> Aha. Means, when it appeared, what for harvesting at Stalin were the majority of the population is involved not - you to me suggest to go something to esteem? , about that harvesting not a unique type  operations and not unique occupation of countrymen. And operation at factories not unique occupation city the population. Though is not present, do not read. Many knowledge - many grieves. DH> draining is included.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> Aha. Means, when it appeared, what for harvesting at Stalin were the majority of the population is involved not - you to me suggest to go something to esteem? P> Neprimer, about that harvesting not a unique type  operations And, well is exact! Milkmaids on fields milked cows, and at all on the cowsheds constructed at Stalin. As I could forget about it. All converges! The Stalin USSR differed nothing from feudal Russia!

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Rates of increase at Stalin were the greatest in the world (probably and to this day). Lies, certainly. VD> principal advantage of a planned economy that it can concentrate country resources on definite purposes. In Stalin years the purpose was - industrialization and escalating of military power not to lose in approaching war. And in what a difference with Japan the same time? VD> I do not have doubts that the market economy could not organize for the same short time so industry rapid growth. Well, compare to Hong Kong, Korea, Japan, Singapore! VD> it had a scent and it somehow avoided bad moves. Ridiculously VD> Well, and economy Hitlerite Germany was not planned. Was, certainly. A socialism. VD> As a matter of fact the Stalin economic system was related to one big corporation. And in Germany those there was a set and all of them were quotients. Corporations were quotients, but fulfilled the state plans. As well as collective farms in the USSR. VD> Hitler... Lost the USSR in the economic plan. Hitler lost to allies. And the economy of the USSR kept on deliveries from the USA. VD> and for that matter, England and France were too capitalist. But they simply laid down before Hitler having spread and moving apart feet. And it seemed to me that Britain actively was at war with Hitler. And, even when to Hitler helped USSR VD> So if you consider Hitlerite economy planned you should recognize that the planned economy is much more effective market in the military plan, at least that base that two leading capitalist economy could oppose nothing to Hitler. You about the USA? They consulted independently with Japan and strongly helped to crush Germany. VD> the USA produced industrialization throughout 200 last years. The USSR transited the same way for 20 years, the Russian empire had 4-5 place on industrial production. And the USSR in respect of industrialization lagged behind both Japan, and from Korea.

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Hello, Patsak, you wrote: the Majority of Russians even now, in quarter of the century after passage to the market, live in the habitation constructed still at the time of the USSR. And governors Soviet and at all lived in , constructed in new time. Cities and at all almost still have been constructed by the tsar.

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Hello, DEMON HOOD, you wrote: nme>> the Majority of citizens at Stalin worked on fields opened still at the time of . To what from this can draw an output? DH> the majority of citizens at Stalin, worked at factories constructed at Stalin. Lies, certainly. And the majority of citizens at factories did not work.