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Topic: Against liberalism

The fourth political theory (4 unipolar FET) is the conceptual matrix describing possibility of alternative in relation to that political tendency which began to dominate during a modernist style epoch. Three principal political ideologies of an epoch of a modernist style which include liberalism (as the first political theory), (as the second political theory) and nationalism (as the third political theory), as a matter of fact, settle communism and is personified by various aspects of the paradigm of political philosophy of a modernist style. These political  faced among themselves in the XX-th century and predetermined structure of world wars, cold war, alliances, the unions etc. If the First World War was collision of some large national European powers among themselves the Second World War already showed the conflict among themselves all three ideological forces: Liberals - in the name of the West (the USA, England), communists - in the name of the USSR, nazis/fascists - in the name of Italy Mussolini, Germany Hitler, and also others close to them of movements. Accordingly, after the third political theory underwent defeat (fascism and national socialism), remains two political theories, the first and the second between which cold war while in 1989 and especially in 1991 the first political theory (liberalism) did not win the second (communism) developed.... https://www.geopolitica.ru/article/chet … ma-dyavola

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Re: Against liberalism

Hello, sharpman, you wrote: the Fourth political theory (4 unipolar FET) is the conceptual matrix describing possibility of alternative in relation to that political tendency which began to dominate during a modernist style epoch. Three principal political ideologies of an epoch of a modernist style which include liberalism (as the first political theory), (as the second political theory) and nationalism (as the third political theory), as a matter of fact, settle communism and is personified by various aspects of the paradigm of political philosophy of a modernist style. Communism it not political ideology, communism it about economy. The USSR at Lenin was a compound liberal (in the core only in words) and the nationalist state, and since Stalin became purely nationalist.

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Hello, nme, you wrote: nme> Communism it not political ideology, communism it about economy. The USSR at Lenin was a compound liberal (in the core only in words) and the nationalist state, and since Stalin became purely nationalist. About My God! You though from the written understand one word? The USSR at Stalin became purely nationalist? What, truth?

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For evolutionary development of a society evolution is necessary as a matter of fact. As evolution in biology works. All of us it is known three pillars of evolution. 1) a heredity 2) Variability 3) whether Selection It is possible to draw an analogy in social development of a society? - Yes it is possible. What plays a role of these postulates of evolution? 1) a heredity - the constitutional mechanism of transmission of signs of a society, i.e. choices, removability and the constitutional delegation of power. 2) variability - variability. For variability freedom to try various combinations is necessary - i.e. the ideology 3) Selection - to cut off liberalism all superfluous unsuccessful from variability to fix successful signs - i.e. ideology of conservatism. What happens to a society in which liberalism will prevail permanently over conservatism? - There will be various mutations what kill a public organism That happens to a society in which conservatism will prevail permanently over liberalism? - There will be a stagnation and expression of signs that kills a public organism Denying one their two - you conduct a public organism to loss.

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Hello, alpha21264, you wrote: A> About My God! A> you though from the written understand one word? A> the USSR at Stalin became purely nationalist? What, truth? Hitler solved a Jewish problem. Stalin solved Checheno-Ingush and still krymsko-Tatar. Did not reflect why they so are similar?

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Hello, nme, you wrote: nme> Communism it not political ideology, communism it about economy. The USSR at Lenin was a compound liberal (in the core only in words) and the nationalist state, and since Stalin became purely nationalist. If to change terminology I will agree. The Marxism is a political ideology, to the USSR relations not having. The USSR at Lenin and Stalin - the ultraconservative states.

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Hello, nme, you wrote: nme> Hello, sharpman, you wrote: nme> [q] Fine you entered discussion with the author 4 - Dugin as whom consider as one of leading ideologists and philosophers of 21st century! 4 - it is published in the different countries, besides. But actually, in it to a statement there is an inaccuracy which in other places is correctly formulated. Instead of communism, should be Marxism, but there can be for Dugin it automatically follows

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Hello, sharpman, you wrote: S> Fine you entered discussion with the author 4 - Dugin as whom consider as one of leading ideologists and philosophers of 21st century! 4 - it is published in the different countries, besides.

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> Hitler solved a Jewish problem. Stalin solved Checheno-Ingush and still krymsko-Tatar. Did not reflect why they so are similar? ... The lightning law of Godvina!

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Hogwash any. To build an ideological basis , ideologies, doctrines, on   to another  this any  and spiritual poverty. Despite all limitation of liberalism and a perversion of its initial ideas modern (aha, modern) followers. And usage senseless, but "" does not rescue "conceptual matrixes", and aggravates.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: A>> you though from the written understand one word? A>> the USSR at Stalin became purely nationalist? What, truth? GZ> Hitler solved a Jewish problem. Stalin solved Checheno-Ingush and still krymsko-Tatar. Did not reflect why they so are similar? What for you with cutlets mix flies?

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> If to change terminology I will agree. The Marxism is a political ideology, to the USSR relations not having. The USSR at Lenin and Stalin - the ultraconservative states. Than ideas of Marxism if to discard an economic part, differ from ideas of liberalism and nationalism?

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> Hitler solved a Jewish problem. Stalin solved Checheno-Ingush and still krymsko-Tatar. Here speech already goes about radical nationalism, I about another speak.

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: A>> you though from the written understand one word? A>> the USSR at Stalin became purely nationalist? What, truth? GZ> Hitler solved a Jewish problem. Stalin solved Checheno-Ingush and still krymsko-Tatar. Did not reflect why they so are similar? , how many fat. No, they are absolutely not similar. Even you are similar to Hitler more than Stalin.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> the Hogwash any. To build an ideological basis , ideologies, doctrines, on   to another  this any  and spiritual poverty. Despite all limitation of liberalism and a perversion of its initial ideas modern (aha, modern) followers. And usage senseless, but "" does not rescue "conceptual matrixes", and aggravates. It can be used as base. += Korea. +=3- a Reich 0,5+0,8= --=....

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Hello, nme, you wrote: GZ>> If to change terminology I will agree. The Marxism is a political ideology, to the USSR relations not having. The USSR at Lenin and Stalin - the ultraconservative states. nme> than ideas of Marxism if to discard an economic part, differ from ideas of liberalism and nationalism? The modern Marxism and liberalism are very similar as are directed on individuals. The classical Marxism, at the time of formation of a modernist style and in Marx's terms, meant struggle against reviewing of an individual as goods. The modern Marxism it first of all freedom of individuals through political and economic equality. The modern liberalism is freedom of individuals through pluralism of values. That is, the registration of interests and values as it is possible  amounts of groups. Nationalist, I hope under the nationalist the ethnographic generality, and the nation as an accessory generality to the country, it conservative or  is not understood. The Traditsionalistichesky, vertically-integrated society, led by the best (the Fuhrer, , the leader, the secretary general, the philosopher) and in which all submits to the nation/society. In radical cases of totalitarianism - any individual should be destroyed if it is not built in a vertical. Any individual is obliged to sacrifice itself for the sake of a society. Or ideas of national safety.

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Hello, nme, you wrote: the Three first point of objections do not cause. And last if emphasis on "nation" not to do. And  not from Americans went? They can be  itself as the nation do not define, it is simple "Americans", but actually to them  all points enumerated by me approach remarkably, and from remaining much quite approaches.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, nme, you wrote: GZ>> Hitler solved a Jewish problem. Stalin solved Checheno-Ingush and still krymsko-Tatar. nme> here speech already goes about radical nationalism, I about another speak. Here speech about tools.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Our purpose - fight for new the Fourth  the earths (on K.Shmitta's terminology). This  should be considerably distinct from unipolar  the model based on dictatorship of liberal ideology. We start with the main principle of cultural anthropology stating that is not present and there can not be a general general-purpose measure at comparing among themselves cultures and civilizations. Does not exist neither absolute progress, nor absolute regress, and nobody has any right to consider one more "developed", and others "less", and to impose them on this base the criteria and values. Time and space are sociological , entirely depending on a society. Passing from one society to another, we change not only language, religion, customs, but also understanding of the most basic things - God, the person, time, space. The respect of identity of each people, each civilization and each culture, lies in the base of that multipolar model which is defended actively by analysts, political scientists, sociologists and the ethnologists who have gathered around ours of a portal. In the field of ideology we reject all three political theories of the European Modernist style: liberalism, communism, fascism, including their absolutely not suitable for understanding of essence of those processes which are unrolled in the modern world, and following in the tideway of development of the Fourth Political Theory. Our analysis of processes is based on these premises in the international life.

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Hello, Bjorn Skalpe, you wrote: BS> For evolutionary development of a society evolution is necessary as a matter of fact. As evolution in biology works. All of us it is known three pillars of evolution. You almost got to a point. In the modern political philosophy the judgement that there is exactly 3 motive power was added: * Traditsionalistsky (so, instead of "traditional") * Liberal * Radical I.e. it is possible to tell that Variability = Radical, the Heredity = Traditsionalistsky, Selection = Liberal

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Hello, sharpman, you wrote: S> S> Three principal political ideologies of an epoch of a modernist style the postmodern is a virtualization of the power, false figures of politicians and a hyperreality created by mass-media. At what here generally the described degradation of culture of a society in the conditions of the lowered dangers of life?

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Hello, GlebZ, you wrote: GZ> Hitler solved a Jewish problem. Stalin solved Checheno-Ingush and still krymsko-Tatar. Did not reflect why they so are similar? Cucumbers ate?

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Hello, nme, you wrote: nme> the History in the USSR quite to itself was national. To recall  names of the scientists making discoveries or as moves World War II stories. By itself there was still a literature, etc. the USSR is an empire. The Soviet nation it appeared simply beautiful slogan. As soon as central power  - forward there were suppressed ethnic conflicts. The same danger and now. The Russian nation is not present.