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Topic: Practice showed that there is a military oath

The text of the Military oath is stated by the Decision of the Supreme Rada of Ukraine on December, 6th, 1991: I, (a surname, the name and a patronymic), enlist and solemnly I swear to the people of Ukraine always to be true and betrayed to it, honesty and fairly to fulfill a soldier's duty, orders of commanders, steadily to adhere to the Constitution and laws of Ukraine, to store the state and military secret. I swear to protect the Ukrainian state, unshakably to be on guard of its freedom and independence. I swear never to betray the people of Ukraine. [6] also what military men of Crimea made? They swore not to the people of Crimea to serve and not to a part of the people of Ukraine, and all people of Ukraine. And not constitutions of Crimea, and the constitution of Ukraine. Here such facts show where real values and where production, theatrical. Such  or the collapse of wave function happens not often but when happens - that unambiguously  human nature.

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Re: Practice showed that there is a military oath

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Also what military men of Crimea made? They swore not to the people of Crimea to serve and not to a part of the people of Ukraine, and all people of Ukraine. And not constitutions of Crimea, and the constitution of Ukraine. The oath , is not present such people.

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> the Oath , such people are not present. And who it decides to eat or not? Russia officially recognizes Ukraine. Putin recognizes. The United Nations recognize. Or they tell lies and play the hypocrite?

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Re: Practice showed that there is a military oath

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> the Text of the Military oath is stated by the Decision of the Supreme Rada of Ukraine on December, 6th, 1991: S> S> I, (a surname, the name and a patronymic), enlist and solemnly I swear to the people of Ukraine always to be true and betrayed to it, honesty and fairly to fulfill a soldier's duty, orders of commanders, steadily to adhere to the Constitution and laws of Ukraine, to store the state and military secret. S> I swear to protect the Ukrainian state, unshakably to be on guard of its freedom and independence. S> I swear never to betray the people of Ukraine. [6] S> also what military men of Crimea made? They swore not to the people of Crimea to serve and not to a part of the people of Ukraine, and all people of Ukraine. And not constitutions of Crimea, and the constitution of Ukraine. S> here such facts show where real values and where production, theatrical. Such  or the collapse of wave function happens not often but when happens - that unambiguously  human nature. Explain to us, about  the friend! Why the military men, sworn to serve the people of Ukraine, kill the people on Donbass, to serve to which swore? Here to you, the grandma and  day wave function.

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Re: Practice showed that there is a military oath

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Also what military men of Crimea made? They swore not to the people of Crimea to serve and not to a part of the people of Ukraine, and all people of Ukraine. And not constitutions of Crimea, and the constitution of Ukraine. So Ukraine did not become. The authorities it is public  that constitution, and the population did not object and even in every possible way jumped up. Also what remains from that oath?

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Hello, alexku, you wrote: A> Explain to us, about  the friend! Why the military men, sworn to serve the people of Ukraine, kill the people on Donbass, to serve to which swore? A> here to you, the grandma and  day wave function. The official power of Ukraine is in Kiev, and DNR/LNR are unrecognized republics. And: 1. Even Russia (and all other countries) recognized the Kiev power as the official power of Ukraine. Russia recognized Ukraine as the country. 2. Even Russia did not recognize DNR/LNR as the state and considers as their part of Donetsk and Lugansk area. Military men recited the oath to Ukraine and the power of Ukraine which operates on behalf of the people. Where the power of Ukraine in DNR/LNR or in Kiev? Even Putin knows the answer - in Kiev, certainly.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> So Ukraine did not become. Why Russia and all other countries recognize existence of Ukraine and recognizes authorities in power of Ukraine? There became there did not become? Ops> the authorities it is public  that constitution, and the population did not object and even in every possible way jumped up. It where the power ? The power is conventional, even at Russia in this respect questions are not present.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Here such facts show where real values and where production And what, at you any illusions into the account of value of the oath were? This purely ceremonial action, the solemn dedication having unless some psychological effect. The oath "does not work" in itself. It works together with "patriotism" of the soldier and fear before possible punishment. When patriotism weakens or the fear before punishment recedes before any other fear - the oath is broken. S> I swear never [...] ". And if suddenly  yes  it is a shame to me!" Oaths were broken in any armies of any times. Any deserter, the deserter or the soldier who have surrendered in a captivity, breaks the oath. Among surrendered in a captivity, maybe, there are any formal exceptions. And deserters and deserters break the oath.

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Re: Practice showed that there is a military oath

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Also what military men of Crimea made? They swore not to the people of Crimea to serve and not to a part of the people of Ukraine, and all people of Ukraine. And not constitutions of Crimea, and the constitution of Ukraine. Their considerable part recited the oath still to Soviet Union. And the overwhelming majority in the Union was born. A smilie to taste.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> It where the power ? The power is conventional, even at Russia in this respect questions are not present. Yes you  with these recognitions, formalities, etc., in court with them will appear. And people them you will not deceive, there is no that state more, galloped. Here is how in constitution violation discharged the president, everything, the state came to an end. And as in its violation sent on errands army to be at war with the people, this formation became terrorist.

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Re: Practice showed that there is a military oath

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Military men recited the oath to Ukraine and the power of Ukraine which operates on behalf of the people. Where the power of Ukraine in DNR/LNR or in Kiev? Even Putin knows the answer - in Kiev, certainly. Where in the oath it is written about the authorities of Ukraine? About the people it is written, about the state too, and where about the authorities? You now directly wrote that the authorities  break the constitution, that is, the law, forcing the soldiers who have sworn the people, to kill these people. That is, at the head of the Ukrainian state there is a gang of criminals which in what does not put the law.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And who it decides to eat or not? Russia officially recognizes Ukraine. Putin recognizes. The United Nations recognize. S> or they tell lies and play the hypocrite? Whether does you clever and beautiful what to you it is spoken by those who wants something from you? Ukraine is not necessary, this synthetic formation from the very beginning constructed on lie. It ideologically even is not connected in any way by that was on this place still to steam of centuries back - the ideology is built by Poles for those whom they considered as animals and advanced by those who survived during a genocide of Russian in the western part of Russia.

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Re: Practice showed that there is a military oath

Hello, Artem Korneev, you wrote: AK> Oaths were broken in any armies of any times. Any deserter, the deserter or the soldier who have surrendered in a captivity, breaks the oath. Among surrendered in a captivity, maybe, there are any formal exceptions. And deserters and deserters break the oath. However here in large quantities all became deserters and traitors that shows the true essence of the person.

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Hello, alpha21264, you wrote: A> their Considerable part recited the oath still to Soviet Union. Then forced .

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Re: Practice showed that there is a military oath

Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> Yes you  with these recognitions, formalities, etc., in court with them will appear. Formalities not only for court. About the USSR to remind? All too thought that it is a mere formality that only a title another gave the CIS and so all will be as before. But formalities are important and even more important kitchen your judgement. If Russia Ukraine and its power is recognized - means recognized. And a point. It for ever will be saved in the history. And here that it was necessary not to recognize judgement of kitchen women on that - it will be erased from history, it will not consider. Ops> here is how in constitution violation discharged the president, everything, the state came to an end. The president ran away itself, he should not run. The state is not identical to the president - principal organ  assigned .., this time ran away. All countries, including Russia - approved this decision, Ukraine is conventional. Ops> And as in its violation sent on errands army to be at war with the people, this formation became terrorist. And you drove to the Chechen Republic to be at war, there unless not your people were?

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Hello, alexku, you wrote: A> Where in the oath it is written about the authorities of Ukraine? About the people it is written, about the state too, and where about the authorities? According to constitution  also is the higher authority. A> you now directly wrote that the authorities  break the constitution, that is, the law, forcing the soldiers who have sworn the people, to kill these people. That is, at the head of the Ukrainian state there is a gang of criminals which in what does not put the law. Well you in the Chechen Republic killed the? Or there inhabitants of other state were? Civil war .

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: S>> And who it decides to eat or not? Russia officially recognizes Ukraine. Putin recognizes. The United Nations recognize. S>> or they tell lies and play the hypocrite? Whether N> does you clever and beautiful what to you it is spoken by those who wants something from you? Do not speak about recognize officially, this miscellaneous. Russia officially recognized Ukraine and its power and to speak on kitchen everything is possible is on what does not influence. Recognized - all. N> Ukraine is not necessary, this synthetic formation from the very beginning constructed on lie. Generally any country is not necessary by such criterion. All countries exist artificially, the reasons for sharing on boundaries and customs are not present any. All is constructed on lie that we than that especial. And Russia not an exception. N> It ideologically even is not connected in any way by that was on this place still to steam of centuries back - the ideology is built by Poles for those whom they considered as animals and advanced by those who survived during a genocide of Russian in the western part of Russia. The USSR too has not been connected ideologically - the communism built the new world and old destroyed. Also what?

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: whether N>> Does you clever and beautiful what to you it is spoken by those who wants something from you? S> do not speak about recognize officially, this miscellaneous. Russia officially recognized Ukraine and its power and to speak on kitchen everything is possible is on what does not influence. Recognized - all. Well Syria as though too is recognized, but to whom what business? N>> Ukraine is not necessary, this synthetic formation from the very beginning constructed on lie. S> generally any country is not necessary by such criterion. All countries exist artificially, the reasons for sharing on boundaries and customs are not present any. Not, some countries were generated by the work and struggle, for the sake of a survival of elite and the people. And Ukraine? It created, and the local population always was secondary and not important for its existence. S> all is constructed on lie that we than that especial. And Russia not an exception. Russia - the conventional great state. And recognized not any official because to it so was impatient, and generally a society. N>> it ideologically even is not connected in any way by that was on this place still to steam of centuries back - the ideology is built by Poles for those whom they considered as animals and advanced by those who survived during a genocide of Russian in the western part of Russia. S> the USSR too has not been connected ideologically - the communism built the new world and old destroyed. Also what? Thus the USSR was besides generated and. In real struggle. For new, against the old. He tried to grow and become more, but here there is no same clinically stupid picture, as at , about that Ukraine as the continuous essence  has history ancient 25/100 of years.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> However here in large quantities all became deserters and traitors, Well. And in World War II all French army made as. And in World War I surrendered in a captivity or deserted in large quantities. What you here suddenly surprised? Or you, being are well-known for own feats of arms, look reproachfully at those who did not begin to protect Ukraine? You descend in a military registration and enlistment office yes wander some months on a front line on Donbass. Then you  about deserters and deserters will though count for something. And that from  the soldier somehow ridiculously to hear reproaches of others in a lack of fighting valor. S> that shows the true essence of the person. Yes. Someone runs down from an entrenchment, someone heats at this time a sofa, considering that its place not on a front line. All find to themselves justifications.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Here such facts show where real values and where production, theatrical. Such  or the collapse of wave function happens not often but when happens - that unambiguously  human nature. Military men cannot operate without thinking about politicians. He/she is the soldier on a post fulfilling the oath can shoot the infringer, and  about the beginning of war and its expediency politicians accept.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> Well Syria as though too is recognized, but to whom what business? And what with Syria happens?  like any country did not get to S>> Generally is not necessary by such criterion. All countries exist artificially, the reasons for sharing on boundaries and customs are not present any. N> not, some countries were generated by the work and struggle, for the sake of a survival of elite and the people. The USSR on an example. Also what? All that was in the past for the future has no value. Can you also Germany want to punish for a criminal conduct in 2 world war? And about which you tell events - were even earlier, about them to already any storage does not remain. All is nonsense. The principal reason is a group of parasites wants to exploit work of other people, collecting customs payments and duties. N> and Ukraine? It created, and the local population always was secondary and not important for its existence. S>> all is constructed on lie that we than that especial. And Russia not an exception. N> Russia - the conventional great state. And recognized not any official because to it so was impatient, and generally a society. Ukraine - too conventional great (in 5 times more Switzerland on the population) the state Including Putin and Russia it recognize. Your judgement is marginal, as the plane earth. Anybody in  does not perceive you. N>>> it ideologically even is not connected in any way by that was on this place still to steam of centuries back - the ideology is built by Poles for those whom they considered as animals and advanced by those who survived during a genocide of Russian in the western part of Russia. S>> the USSR too has not been connected ideologically - the communism built the new world and old destroyed. Also what? N> thus the USSR was besides generated and. In real struggle. For new, against the old. He tried to grow and become more, but here there is no same clinically stupid picture, as at , about that Ukraine as the continuous essence  has history ancient 25/100 of years. Well and where now yours the USSR? . How many own citizens subjected to repression the USSR, hunger ? . Ten millions. Here and Ukraine now does the same - destroys all not consent. Here to you and struggle.

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Hello, Artem Korneev, you wrote: AK> Yes. Someone runs down from an entrenchment, someone heats at this time a sofa, considering that its place not on a front line. All find to themselves justifications. Well so let openly about it speak.  on the TV set we will speak that the oath serious does not imply anything, phrase-mongering for people with feeble mentality is simple, perhaps somebody pecks and during any moment it  action.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Well so let openly about it speak. Speak. We not against. S> Davate on the TV set we will tell And in the TV set you with it do not start up. The TV set belongs to those who wants that you with the automatic machine in a hand climbed in an entrenchment to protect their interests.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Then forced . It strongly reduces value and a role of this action.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> However here in large quantities all became deserters and traitors that shows the true essence of the person. Not the person, and the Ukrainian military men.