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Hello, pagid, you wrote:>> Anybody also did not tell a C that will be easy. Environmental capitalism is protected, hinders with development in a socialist direction. Only China also remains. But there very special specificity. P> to declare the present and it is unique true own imaginations "on a subject" a little unduly self-confidently, it not seems? It not seems. Not unique, but true. From the moment of concept framing transited a lot of time. The countries disappeared and appeared, and the concept only was substantiated. P> and once again I will repeat, the idea of the investor is directly opposite to a socialism that you it would not name - Soviet, Yugoslavian, Scandinavian, the European social democratic idea. Moreover,  in general as a level of population are despised even under capitalism though parasitize on limitation of its economic system. The investor at you a curse. And actually percent on contributions it is not simply reasonable, but also it is socially valid. The person earned and not , and postponed and enclosed the fairly earned means. Only the idiot who wants to destroy economy, forbids incomes from contributions. By the way, never and anywhere did not forbid. Neither in the USSR, nor in China. Only in your concept it is not normal. Or you ?

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> You in vain think that the president or the chairman of the Central Bank have any pen, rotating which they control inflation. She lives and besides their will if for example people for any reason took out money from grists and decided something to buy on them there will be an inflation. From selected - Inflation arises each time when Medvedev annually raises rates and the prices for gas, oil,  transportations . 70 % of gross national product of Russia belong to the state, it and twists the inflation pen.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> Inflation arises each time when Medvedev annually raises rates and the prices for gas, oil,  transportations . P> Aha, and a wind of that trees are swung. Here I read and I think or you really understand nothing, or to scoff at common sense this your hobby? Only I ask without insults. To you name the reason of high inflation in the country. Moreover in a combination to a pernicious policy of the Central Bank this reason is also the reason of exception of circulating assets from economy with the most negative processes (especially for manufacture). You do not result arguments, you do not reflect, you throw on . What for?

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DO>> For example, departure on excursion, an important and interesting element of training, now we implement with huge work. The packet of documents pulls on that Wars and peaces. And if excursion on all the day, on two. Well so because if suddenly that there will be anybody in prison it would not be desirable to sit down, all are reinsured. Documents all right, collected also all. But procedures! The plan  in the bus, should subscribe the director and be represented to GAI and . If suddenly the child was ill, it is necessary to do the plan anew, anew to state, anew to submit. Very much . Though on sense this plan is necessary in case of failure quickly to identify victims. Why it is impossible to make it directly before a trip and to leave at school? On a supply it is even more difficult. And in what countries is , moreover and free? If mum returned to economy why and not to pay  or the nurse? Business not , and in the approach. By the way, the decision on payment the free is laid to the regional authorities, in some regions . But business I will repeat not in it. , and now it is called supervision and leaving that more reflects an essence, does not assume any occupations, including performance . The child comes home after group PU and all the same does  already with parents. How it is shown? The teacher does not do remarks concerning behavior. Because of it in a class there can be completely not working conditions. Thus the teacher speaks: "I can do remarks. Education the task of parents." DO>> And it only one small, but a bright example. There are questions on implementation of a continuity of formation (it is declared, but it is not observed), on an average-vocational education, a tower, back coupling with business (actually for whom for whom prepare frames) etc., etc. So reform here is necessary. And it how to implement? Quotas as in the USSR on employment to do? It is possible to begin with recovery of connectivity of programs. That it was not necessary to read up at the first year high school school courses. It began, when teachers with psychologists, instead of experts started to write school programs. Communication with additional education misses as a class. For example, music schools are set up as can on the schedule general educational, sometimes it is impossible, because the schedule is made separately the friend from the friend. And the solution of a problem is shifted on the pupil and his parents. But besides, I describe only small slices, in a reality it is more than problems.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> Inflation arises each time when Medvedev annually raises rates and the prices for gas, oil,  transportations . P> Aha, and a wind of that trees are swung. Following yours to the logic: Medvedev raises the prices and rates - to that-that in the country inflation. What then inflation? Probably something transcendental. It as though outside of economy. Approximate so explain Universe creation - God created. Pray and do not set silly questions.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: Q>> Though yes only that part of money which forms a disbalance at non-cash transfers when transfers from bank And in bank Would exceed transfers from in  D> You it, certainly, is physically transported wrote and thought that I will not find your post old, by no means. I am able to use search and I give your words: D> Q>> As to trucks - that yes if the flow of non-cash transfers the durable time is directed to one side they should be transported physically including by trucks. And your way whence in Russia there were cash dollars? Whence there were in Crimea roubles? If your firm obtained the credit in bank (non-cash, it it is finite) it is spent including for the salary of workers, on payment of gasoline by drivers and other cash expenditures. Whence cash in your opinion undertakes? D> to transport a clearing settlement by trucks - what flight of fancy!!! And the Internet through water pipes can still start up? And here ponder upon the words. Pondered. But and did not understand that you so perturbs. Can the basic moment for you what actually transport them on armored cars is? But if to reflect, any armored car is a special case of the truck. D> Q>> once again: non-cash there are only calculations. Money always cash. D> it is ingenious, a bravissimo. Yes, imagine. If the Central Bank produces to any bank the credit it should produce and cash, at least a part. (A remaining part it should)

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: Q>> As to transportation of money yes, there are such people - collectors. They transport money not only from shops in banks, but also between banks. P> and it is normal between bank and  the Central Bank, under what circumstances there can be a necessity to transport cash between banks Once again explain: possibility of non-cash listing of money is based that between banks relocation of money goes in opposite directions. The client of 1 bank And Would transfer money to the client 2 banks, and clients 3 banks Would enumerate the client A.Blagodarja's 4 banks to it it is possible not to transport , and to transfer money of the client to 1 client 4, and money of the client 3 to transfer to the client 2. But it is possible only if the totals are strictly equal. It is clear that such it is almost impossible, for the durable time interval the disbalance which  collects it is necessary to repay transporting cash. Normally disbalance is much less than total sums, but there are cases when the flow is directed in the core to one side. In this case it is necessary to transport the considerable totals. P> so you obvious things write it. But here these obvious things for some reason cause such . Q>> Though yes only that part of money which forms a disbalance at non-cash transfers when transfers from bank And in bank Would exceed transfers from in  P> And here it, certainly, is physically transported and begins. A keyword - "the correspondent account", all interbanking calculations transit through them, any relocation  in banking system happens only only for operation with . Above I explained that all calculations cannot be non-cash, is pure for the statistical reasons: there can not be flows of money between banks equal in accuracy. Money should get to Crimea physically that there there was a Russian financial system. And here then, when he will live at the expense of the tourists bringing there , the flow goes in in the opposite direction.

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: P>> That - present, under your recipe? A C> That. The C> any more is not enough Concept of a market socialism time "the Market socialism" it about the same, as "the pregnant virgin". When the socialism becomes market, from turns to capitalism. Cs> under this concept tried to develop Broz Tito in Yugoslavia, the Scandinavian countries, Dan Sjaopin in China. In Yugoslavia Tito did not want to repeat the Soviet experiment with the agriculture, led to mass hunger, therefore left private traders in agriculture - here and all difference. In the Scandinavian countries capitalism in which the population pays huge taxes to freeloaders prospers. And in China no socialism is present for a long time, it would be time to recognize and understand at last it that there - most that on there is a wild capitalism. In due course, when it becomes more developed, there there will be social institutes of type of pension system but while they cannot allow it to themselves - money is necessary to capitalists on development. Calm down, at last, with the China and stop to talk nonsense. The C> the Scandinavian approach to me is more to liking, from nevertheless leans against common sense more and does not add ideology. You have more to liking when you pay 60 % of surtax on which there live migrants from Asia? You, apparently, broadcast something about justice? Where it?

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: Q>> the Only thing that it is possible to expect is a revival of political life, appearance of new politicians, open discussions about ways of development of Russia. P> though somewhere and once arrival of communists to the power promoted revival and a variety of political life? It is possible to count certainly that Grudinin actually the communist At first Grudinin really communist, moreover - it the capitalist. And secondly, now even communists not begin to recover the Soviet socialism in that type what it then was. It is physically impossible, not to mention that they it will be not not allowed by ordinary communists who were well arranged in capitalism.

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: a C> 4. A State Planning Committee in my concept key structure. Without scale planning now there does not live any powerful economy. Plus the State Planning Committee is ideally suited for collection of all information on economy. If still it is possible to agree with the first points (well and them and Putin agrees, and what to sense?) that the State Planning Committee is a nonsense, this softest that it is possible to tell about it the Author: qwertyuiop Date: 29.09.08.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: DH>> Inflation arises each time when Medvedev annually raises rates and the prices for gas, oil,  transportations . P> Aha, and a wind of that trees are swung. You in vain speak maliciously. State monopolies import the considerable contribution to inflation. If not the unique.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: P>>> That - present, under your recipe? A C>> That. The C>> any more is not enough Concept of a market socialism time Q> "the Market socialism" it about the same, as "the pregnant virgin". When the socialism becomes market, from turns to capitalism. Yes, such bosh drove in with all into the USSR. Knowing understand that the market is always and is shown on a miscellaneous. If what idiot counts that the market needs to be clamped, instead of to develop that learns a deficit, shadow economy, total dependence on officials and mandatory crash in the end of tortures. You esteem history of the USSR, can you will understand. Cs>> under this concept tried to develop Broz Tito in Yugoslavia, the Scandinavian countries, Dan Sjaopin in China. Q> in Yugoslavia Tito did not want to repeat the Soviet experiment with the agriculture, led to mass hunger, therefore left private traders in agriculture - here and all difference. In the Scandinavian countries capitalism in which the population pays huge taxes to freeloaders prospers. And in China no socialism is present for a long time, it would be time to recognize and understand at last it that there - most that on there is a wild capitalism. In due course, when it becomes more developed, there there will be social institutes of type of pension system but while they cannot allow it to themselves - money is necessary to capitalists on development. Calm down, at last, with the China and stop to talk nonsense. What inexpressible persistence to name black white, and white black! Note, Scandinavians and do not name the system socialist. And whether named, if there would be the positive example. Whether and not to you to solve has the right China to be called as socialist. Has and even more than the USSR. It is just necessary to understand that it is a development vector, instead of that that the socialism there is already constructed. Behind a socialism the future, because it on determination much more effective economic system with developed system of self-control (market). If pondered upon the concept offered by me that, possibly, understood that all that is offered is taken from the best world an expert, is already tested and yielded good results. Applying them we precisely only we benefit without any subjunctive moods. But I and it have not enough, as I see that we can receive decided advantage if we go by the way of a market socialism. The C>> the Scandinavian approach to me is more to liking, from nevertheless leans against common sense more and does not add ideology. Q> you have more to liking when you pay 60 % of surtax on which there live migrants from Asia? You, apparently, broadcast something about justice? Where it? You flies from cutlets learn to separate. And here this dullness obvious to us imposed from the outside. Or you think that it is possible only for us to impose any idiocy?

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: a C>> 4. A State Planning Committee in my concept key structure. Without scale planning now there does not live any powerful economy. Plus the State Planning Committee is ideally suited for collection of all information on economy. Q> if still it is possible to agree with the first points (well and them and Putin agrees, and what to sense?) that the State Planning Committee is a nonsense, this softest that it is possible to tell about it the Author: qwertyuiop Date: 29.09.08. You are jarred on not by sense of structure, and a title. I concern the USSR with sympathy and understanding. Also I do not hesitate to take from its experience the best. Or you against planning, independent ratings, uniform information basis of the state?

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> Once again I explain: possibility of non-cash listing of money is based that between banks relocation of money goes in opposite directions. The client of 1 bank And Would transfer money to the client 2 banks, and clients 3 banks Would enumerate the client A.Blagodarja's 4 banks to it it is possible not to transport , and to transfer money of the client to 1 client 4, and money of the client 3 to transfer to the client 2. But it is possible only if the totals are strictly equal. It is clear that such it is almost impossible, for the durable time interval the disbalance which  collects it is necessary to repay transporting cash. Normally disbalance is much less than total sums, but there are cases when the flow is directed in the core to one side. In this case it is necessary to transport the considerable totals. qwertyuiop what I get on  here told, it is simple . Q> Above I explained that all calculations cannot be non-cash, is pure for the statistical reasons: There can not be flows of money between banks equal in accuracy. Money should get to Crimea physically that there there was a Russian financial system. And here then, when he will live at the expense of the tourists bringing there , the flow goes in in the opposite direction. If in Crimea physicists used only bank cards it was not necessary to deliver there anything, and it is not important  the flows equal or not equal.  delivered for payment  and about what that there flows between banks which are not equal are yours not absolutely healthy imagination.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> qwertyuiop what I get on  here told, it is simple . That is you did not try to comprehend it at all? ... D> if in Crimea physicists used only bank cards it was not necessary to deliver there anything If at the grandmother was  it would be . But life is that that without  while any economic subject cannot manage. D> and it is not important  the flows equal or not equal.  delivered for payment  and about what that there flows between banks which are not equal are yours not absolutely healthy imagination. Does not reach in any way? Well here to you one more example. Imagine that a certain capitalist somewhere in Siberia, on the bank of Kolyma based the fishing enterprise. Employed local fishermen, they caught to it some fish and he sold its wholesale on continent. The buyer transferred money a clearing settlement in its bank, which also  in the same . Places. Attention, a question: How the capitalist pays to fishermen the salary? Certainly, provided that any cards in that terrain is not found. Alas, it is required to it  which to bank should be carried, and not only by the truck, but it is possible also on deer and dogs. Not part all, certainly, remains in bank not to the account, on it he buys networks and this money a clearing settlement leave reversely on continent. But it is necessary to bring a cash. Its fishermen spend in local , this money  brings to bank, and that enumerates their suppliers of a booze and snack. It is not necessary to deliver probably, following salary, as  in bank already is available. And can and it is necessary, if some of fishermen go to holiday and take away with itself received .

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: P>> It is your personal representations about differences, an unknown and not clear origin. And yes, incomes of the investor -  a C> From what it? The person fairly earned money. Understood where to enclose, and it too work. A problem of your discussion in different interpretation of terms. Probably you hearing expression "unearned incomes" you imply that they unfair. But it not same. These incomes - yes, unearned, after all he does not work for their obtaining (at least after it understood where to enclose). But it does not mean that they unfair.

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: Q>> "the Market socialism" it about the same, as "the pregnant virgin". When the socialism becomes market, from turns to capitalism. Cs> Yes, drove in such bosh with all into the USSR. Knowing understand that the market is always and is shown on a miscellaneous. If what idiot counts that the market needs to be clamped, instead of to develop that learns a deficit, shadow economy, total dependence on officials and mandatory crash in the end of tortures. You esteem history of the USSR, can you will understand. The kid, I should not read this history, I in it of cores and itself can tell it. I perfectly know that happened in the USSR that there clamped the market and consequently for a long time acquired that the socialism (that is market clamping) is a rare shit with which it is necessary to struggle the same as with fascism. It is not unique, attempts to liquidate the market met in the history though and it is rare, but for some reason people again would like to walk smack in this shit. So, once again, "socialism" == "absence of the market". If in your concept there is a market, if you please to name it in another way. Because the word "socialism" is already occupied. As this word is called that was in the USSR. And wrong it cannot be on determination, state it so silly, how to tell that Kavendish opened wrong hydrogen, or incorrectly named it. The USSR constructed a socialism, therefore and named it as considered it necessary. And you who such to give it other titles and to take away it to yourself? A C> What inexpressible persistence to name black white, and white black! Note, Scandinavians and do not name the system socialist. No, road, it you note! It you with companions with enviable obstinacy name this system socialist and who to you granted on this right? Scandinavians did not give it! Q>> you have more to liking when you pay 60 % of surtax on which there live migrants from Asia? You, apparently, broadcast something about justice? Where it? A C> You flies from cutlets learn to separate. And here this dullness obvious to us imposed from the outside. Or you think that it is possible only for us to impose any idiocy? What for a mere verbiage?

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: the C> jars on You not sense of structure, and a title. I concern the USSR with sympathy and understanding. Also I do not hesitate to take from its experience the best. A C> Or you against planning, independent ratings, uniform information basis of the state? Yes, certainly! Nobody should plan manufacture of the goods, private businessmen on the money and for the risk should produce them. Nobody should create any ratings, to estimate the enterprises buyers the money should only. I do not know that for information bases you mean, but anyway in it the state should not be engaged. There should be you overheard that the information is too the important goods which participates in a market exchange on a level with other goods. Also that the modern society is called as information. And so, the state should not interfere with the information market the same as in any another.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> Once again I explain: possibility of non-cash listing of money is based that between banks relocation of money goes in opposite directions. Possibility of clearing settlements is based on system of correspondent accounts. Organizes it and supervises the Central Bank. Q> the client of 1 bank And Would transfer money to the client 2 banks, and clients 3 banks Would enumerate the client A.Blagodarja's 4 banks to it it is possible not to transport , and to transfer money of the client to 1 client 4, and money of the client 3 to transfer to the client 2. It is possible because there is very simple mechanism. Both bank And and bank Would have . in the Central Bank. At interbanking transactions the total is written off not only from the account of the client 1 in bank And, but also with . bank And in the Central Bank and increases not only the total on the account of the client 2 in bank, but also the total on . bank in the Central Bank. Q> but it is possible only if the totals are strictly equal. It is possible only in that case if on . bank there is a residual. In Russia banking system two-level and . all banks in the Central Bank. Dollar it is more difficult, there normal banks hold . in banks of representatives . Q> Above I explained that all calculations cannot be non-cash, is pure for the statistical reasons: there can not be flows of money between banks equal in accuracy. Money should get to Crimea physically that there there was a Russian financial system. And here then, when he will live at the expense of the tourists bringing there , the flow goes in in the opposite direction. In Crimea, as well as everywhere,  it is necessary for support of cash calculations. Here it is necessary to clients of bank  and it is ready to render clients of service with  and there is a bank in  the Central Bank, there produce , simultaneously writing off with . the appropriate total. There is not enough in the subject of the Russian Federation , or at all was not as in Crimea, and the Central Bank carries  there by trucks about what you to us and told. It is necessary to hand over to bank excessive  and it collects it in the Central Bank, all is absolutely similar to how normal clients in relations with the bank do.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: Q>> the Client of 1 bank And Would transfer money to the client 2 banks, and clients 3 banks Would enumerate the client A.Blagodarja's 4 banks to it it is possible not to transport , and to transfer money of the client to 1 client 4, and money of the client 3 to transfer to the client 2. P> It is possible because there is very simple mechanism. Both bank And and bank Would have . in the Central Bank. At interbanking transactions the total is written off not only from the account of the client 1 in bank And, but also with . bank And in the Central Bank and increases not only the total on the account of the client 2 in bank, but also the total on . bank in the Central Bank. Here imagine that banks And and Would be in one city, the client of 1 bank is the shop daily bringing to bank  into the account. And the client 2 banks - the oil company monthly paying to the workers the salary. Describe to me  as corresponding accounts in the Central Bank help to be moved  from bank And to bank that its client paid out the wages to oil industry workers.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> It is possible because there is very simple mechanism. Both bank And and bank Would have . in the Central Bank. At interbanking transactions the total is written off not only from the account of the client 1 in bank And, but also with . bank And in the Central Bank and increases not only the total on the account of the client 2 in bank, but also the total on . bank in the Central Bank. I want to note that bank money for a Central Bank corresponding account is not that money which are at bank. And on the contrary, which money at it is not present, which Central Banks to it should. And non-cash transfers are not that other, as transfers of debts. And debts  are paid off - if the Central Bank produces to bank  that money for its corresponding account decrease. However, it concerns any accounts - if you have a bank account, it means that at you money is not present, but the bank should you. But you can pay this debt purchase after that the bank owes to the seller. And ceases should be when produces .

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> Here imagine that the client of 1 bank is the shop daily bringing to bank  into the account. And the client 2 banks - the oil company monthly paying to the workers the salary. Describe to me  as corresponding accounts in the Central Bank help to be moved  from bank And to bank that its client paid out the wages to oil industry workers. Talked about that as clearing settlements, but an example, this are arranged, and about the fishing enterprise I protect Kolyma for some reason about cash. But I explain, though above and this subject already concerned. The bank hands over  in the Central Bank, the bank Would receive  in the Central Bank. At bank And at the moment of delivery  the corresponding account will be increased by the total  , at bank Would decrease. And certainly real banks work with , both receiving, and collecting . For this reason of a daily problem with delivery and obtaining  in  at real banks should not be. Though  on the total of cash residual should be, as well as at the normal organizations it is, the restriction total certainly the incomparable should be and probably depends on any indexes.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> I Want to note that bank money for a Central Bank corresponding account is not that money which are at bank. And on the contrary, which money at it is not present, which Central Banks to it should. Aha, and money for the account . it not that money which are at it. And on the contrary, which money at it is not present, which the bank should it. Q> And non-cash transfers are not that other, as transfers of debts. This phrase-mongering. And the bank generally never produces a cash all money from the enterprise account in spite of the fact that in yours the understanding is "debt", and the Central Bank in any case does not produce to bank all money with . a cash. And cash it too a debt, the emitter before the user of money. In same and in the same measure.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Talked about that as clearing settlements, but an example, this are arranged, and about the fishing enterprise I protect Kolyma for some reason about cash. Talked about, whether it is required to transport cash between banks. Certainly, when at us cancel cash and cards become a unique instrument of payment to transport it is required nothing. But while cash exists, they need to be transported. P> but I explain, though above and this subject already concerned. The bank hands over  in the Central Bank, the bank Would receive  in the Central Bank. Means  it is necessary to carry  physically? P> and certainly real banks work with , both receiving, and collecting . For this reason of a daily problem with delivery and obtaining  in  at real banks should not be. Matter of course, I about it also wrote, at a considerable quantity of clients the great bulk of payments transits a clearing settlement. But in due course the disbalance which collects it is necessary to eliminate.