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Topic: The calibrator for house monitors and TV sets

Yesterday once again starting up  with family photos on wall TV, decided to introduce the order in house zoo TV and monitors. I think, to buy the hardware calibrator since all devices on calibration counted more than 10 pieces. An eye at me engineering instead of design. And matrixes of all possible technologies except OLED, including old enough and  on quality of a matrix of a notebook and TV the Device  the such: https://www.amazon.ca/Datacolor-S5X100- … op?ie=UTF8 cheapest of a ruler. Which AFAIK is identical on gland of the calibrator but different on enough  to a software. Plus a software to it, https://displaycal.net/never used Earlier the calibrator. Who does that think?

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Re: The calibrator for house monitors and TV sets

Hello, Vetal_ca, you wrote: V _> Yesterday once again starting up  with family photos on wall TV, decided to introduce the order in house zoo TV and monitors. V _> I think, to buy the hardware calibrator since all devices on calibration counted more than 10 pieces. An eye at me engineering instead of design. And matrixes of all possible technologies except OLED, including old enough and  on quality of a matrix of a notebook and TV V _> Earlier never the calibrator used. Who does that think? Whether and all your devices are calibrated? Not any device can rewrite LUT the table. Was at me once Eye-One display 2. Said lies as the gray gelding, added an extreme amount yellow in a picture. Has been thrown out.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> Was at me once Eye-One display 2. Said lies as the gray gelding, added an extreme amount yellow in a picture. Has been thrown out. I so understand, through brightness, visibility and RGB in adjustments of the monitor And-or the generated color profile at OS level. But, I speak, on  did not calibrate. , slightly approximately, as present  the engineer

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Hello, Vetal_ca, you wrote: SVZ>> Was at me once Eye-One display 2. Said lies as the gray gelding, added an extreme amount yellow in a picture. Has been thrown out. V _> I so understand, through brightness, visibility and RGB in adjustments of the monitor V _> And-or the generated color profile at OS level. Created a color profile, which  . Colors became . But it, itself you understand, it is simple with the instrument did not carry. As a whole, judgement at knowing audience the such: if you print photos or you send in polygraphy, it is necessary to calibrate. If for review on  monitors, it is not recommended to calibrate, since at target audience monitors all the same not calibrated and colors will differ with open years.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> Created a color profile, which  . SVZ> Colours became . But it, itself you understand, it is simple with the instrument did not carry. SVZ> as a whole, judgement at knowing audience the such: if you print photos or you send in polygraphy, it is necessary to calibrate. SVZ> If for review on  monitors, it is not recommended to calibrate, since at target audience monitors all the same not calibrated and colors will differ with open years. It is clear. Idea  all house devices 1) it is correct 2) Under one profile (as far as possible) And as it seems to me, the average integral difference with another's devices will be minimum, if  . And at all differs uniformly every which way. For example, on the TV set in  dark a halftone leave in black color. Also gives a redness. Not pleasant, but dark with small number of gradation as well as remaining gamma

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V _> https://www.amazon.ca/Datacolor-S5X100- … op?ie=UTF8 it is not necessary. To colorimeters - to refuse. All and at once. Any of them starts to suffer a hogwash if at the device color spanning hardly is beyond admissible the colorimeter. If you do not plan to profile printers and other printers, your choice - i1Display Pro. The cheap spectrophotometer most, probably, which yields comprehensible results. And, moreover, allows to profile displays with the expanded color spanning. Well and if cheaply gets ColorMunki, you can take it. In general, the same , only is higher, and the software is easier (both in respect of usage, and in respect of features).

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SVZ> Was at me once Eye-One display 2. Said lies as the gray gelding, added an extreme amount yellow in a picture. Has been thrown out. How you defined about "an extreme amount yellow"? What at you a lighting central television indoors? And generally as lighting is arranged? And how you checked "an extreme amount yellow", on  to color tables? (color checker) on what brightness calibrated (in kd/m2)?

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Re: The calibrator for house monitors and TV sets

Hello, SkyDance, you wrote: SD> it is not necessary. To colorimeters - to refuse. All and at once. Any of them starts to suffer a hogwash if at the device color spanning hardly is beyond admissible the colorimeter. SD> if you do not plan to profile printers and other printers, your choice - i1Display Pro. The cheap spectrophotometer most, probably, which yields comprehensible results. And, moreover, allows to profile displays with the expanded color spanning. SD> well and if cheaply gets ColorMunki, you can take it. In general, the same , only is higher, and the software is easier (both in respect of usage, and in respect of features). Thanks. There are calibrators share on colorimeters and photospectrometers, I will read https://www.hunterlab.com/blog/color-me … hnologies/ Fast search showed, https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_ … ColorMunki Is absolutely cheaply, is and is more expensive. I so understood from your written that there should be a certain expensive device. 1Display Pro, it is this? https://www.amazon.ca/X-Rite-EODIS3-i1D … isplay+Pro at it the software under Windows Linux is? The polygraphy, as far as I understand, is destiny of Apple computers. And profiles under TV to me in  boxes under the TV set (Linux Mint). Except monitors with PC,  Win/Lin What of them smart buy? Anything except LCD panels I am not going to adjust, the EC th.

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V _> Thanks. There are calibrators share on colorimeters and photospectrometers, I will read so. To colorimeters - to refuse. V _> is absolutely cheaply, is and is more expensive. I so understood from your written that there should be a certain expensive device. Not that that expensive, but I do not think that there will be spectrophotometers more cheaply 200 dollars (unless -, but with them the problems - hardly the previous owner did the regular checking). V _> 1Display Pro, it is this? This approaches. ColorMunki - only design or photo. Still there is smile, but that - the colorimeter, to refuse. V _> at it the software under Windows Linux is? Certainly. The same Argyll CMS works generally on all. Well and under Windows there and at all a native software very good and convenient. V _> the polygraphy, as far as I understand, is destiny of Apple computers. Anything similar. V _> and profiles under TV to me in  boxes under the TV set (Linux Mint). Except monitors with PC,  Win/Lin On a box also profile - argyll CMS works and on ARM. V _> What of them smart buy? IMHO i1 Display Pro, but, of course, it is a choice subjective. V _> anything except LCD panels I am not going to adjust, the EC th. Yes it is fine, appetite comes with eating

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Hello, SkyDance, you wrote: SVZ>> Was at me once Eye-One display 2. Said lies as the gray gelding, added an extreme amount yellow in a picture. Has been thrown out. SD> as you defined about "an extreme amount yellow"? What at you a lighting central television indoors? And generally as lighting is arranged? SD> and how you checked "an extreme amount yellow", on  to color tables? (color checker) you deduce on screen R:255 G:0 B:0, and it orange. SD> on what brightness calibrated (in kd/m2)? Now it not to learn any more. Brightness is exposed at calibration under the instruction.

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Hello, Vetal_ca, you wrote: V _> including old enough and  on quality of a matrix of a notebook and TV If to try to calibrate "" on an output we receive... Correctly, calibrated ""! , it is necessary to you?

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Hello, Mr. Delphist, you wrote: MD> If to try to calibrate "" on an output we receive... Correctly, calibrated ""! , it is necessary to you? We look, experience, in itself, a thing self-valuable. Engineers, they as sharks, it is necessary to float forward permanently and something new in a head to load in addition. And in different directions.

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SVZ> you Deduce on screen R:255 G:0 B:0, and it orange. Orange - approximately, whether that? So to profile for this purpose and it is necessary to be guided not by how sees an eye, and on a reality of this world. Variants are possible: 1. The instrument is broken. Such happens, but it is easy for checking up by means of the table (color checker, sometimes goes complete with the instrument). 2. Lighting does not meet basic requirements to locations and lighting for color correction carrying out. For example, luminescent lamps with wild dips of a spectrum (or LED) are used. As a variant - a central television of exterior lighting too low (then, to really eye not suffering even not from daltonism can seem that the screen "insufficiently white, and is faster yellow or orange". SVZ> Now it not to learn any more. Brightness is exposed at calibration under the instruction. Except reading of instructions, it is necessary to understand still that to instructions it is written. Brightness cannot be set by the instruction. Moreover, all (both brightness, and a profile) will depend on a location and lighting.

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MD> If to try to calibrate "" on an output we receive... Correctly, calibrated ""! But it will be more or less identical in respect of picture playback.

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Hello, SkyDance, you wrote: SD> But it will be more or less identical in respect of picture playback. And here - strongly it is not assured.

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MD> And here - strongly it is not assured. It also is a main objective and the profiling task.

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Hello, SkyDance, you wrote: SD> ColorMunki - only design or photo. Still there is smile, but that - the colorimeter, to refuse. SD> IMHO i1 Display Pro, but, of course, it is a choice subjective. Esteemed forums. It seems that both i1 Display Pro https://www.amazon.ca/X-Rite-EODIS3-i1D … isplay+pro And Color Munki not Smile https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0055M … &psc=1 Both colorimeters http://xritephoto.com/Photography However people are happy. And Spider 5 only reaches them in 5th version. On how many reaches, disputably, but it is exact more slowly And spectrophotometers from 500 USD and above. Monitors with  spanning at me are not present. Though about  purchases of "not holding out" tools, I know. But how much it is critical for the professional and $500 for objects in view, too, not clearly are justified. Considering that at forums professional enough people consider the colorimeters advised by you.

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V _> Esteemed forums. It seems that as i1 Display Pro This - the colorimeter, but made on mind. You wrote that to you only displays, and without the expanded spanning (not OLED), means, the colorimeter can suffice. But - sensible, such that it supported Argyll. V _> And Color Munki not Smile Display is too Smile. When I wrote about ColorMunki, I accurately specified - Design or Photo. It is the spectrophotometer as it is simple to guess since with its help it is possible to profile including printers, and a paper, and it is a lot of still that another. V _> however people are happy. And Spider 5 only reaches them in 5th version. On how many reaches, disputably, but I am exact more slowly With Spyder 5 personally did not work, therefore is not ready to tell, it reaches or not, but earlier with spiders there were problems. And with inability to work with color spanning, and with fast turbidity of a lens, and even that already from a box they went not attorneys (on colorchecker' should check and send at once backwards, if there a trouble). V _> And spectrophotometers it from 500 USD and above. I took for AUD$485 (ColorMunki Photo), but for a long time. It is strange that the prices did not decrease. V _> but how much it is critical for the professional and $500 for objects in view, too, not clearly are justified. The purpose it is very blurred it is delivered. If "it would be desirable to play" and "I want to expose identical brightness" is yes, it is possible. And in all remaining... It is difficult. Because dependence on lighting (i.e. rooms, lamps, windows, etc.) Almost on the order will be more noticeable, than absence of a profile. And so generally all is simple: if is though any desire to print (a photo and other polygraphy), it is necessary to take the spectrophotometer, for the colorimeter - only displays, and only with standard spanning. That too can be a problem: if you have a good film display (with DCI-P3), or is planned once such to acquire, that, besides, with cheap colorimeters - a trouble.

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Hello, SkyDance, you wrote: SD> Brightness cannot be set by the instruction. Moreover, all (both brightness, and a profile) will depend on a location and lighting. It then and normally separate sensors track it. And before calibration you ask to expose brightness of 100 % (or visibility, I do not remember) and visibility (or brightness) so that the picture (gradation gray) was as much as possible visible.

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Hello, SkyDance, you wrote: SD> I took for AUD$485 (ColorMunki Photo), but for a long time. It is strange that the prices did not decrease. Clearly, thanks. And how if preowned on eBay to take, risky? For an example, storage  not risky - does not wear out also who it can rarely "burn down". And here HDD - the big risk, SSD - the guaranteed deterioration, etc. At the spectrophotometer, iznashivaetsja/breaks it, the same ColorMunki Photo? On me so there should be a very rarely used piece.

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It then and normally separate sensors track it. And before calibration you ask to expose brightness of 100 % (or visibility, I do not remember) and visibility (or brightness) so that the picture (gradation gray) was as much as possible visible. Not absolutely all so "Separate sensors" are not present - the same ColorMunki and works as "the separate sensor", periodically measuring a central television and brightness of lighting, and according to it regulating brightness/contrast of the device of display (on DDC). It in the theory, and in practice there periodically something , and it ceases to do all by the automatic machine Further, "to expose brightness on 100 %" and to fulfill other manual actions normally it is not necessary, since the software for operation with the device is able on DDC. Besides, i1/ColorMunki in completely automatic mode define both a brightness range, and visibility.

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V _> And how if preowned on eBay to take, risky? It is not ready to answer unambiguously. IMHO yes, the risk is. V _> for an example, storage  not risky - does not wear out also who it can rarely "burn down". And here HDD - the big risk, SSD - the guaranteed deterioration, etc. In a case with such instruments, in itself they do not wear out. Also are rarely used. BUT! A trouble that in all these colorimeters and spectrophotometers the plastic lens is put. Which, the infection, has property to grow turbid and generally to lose optical properties (even if it is not used). To be convinced that at the specific spectrophotometer a lens not turbid, it is possible with the help  color checker'. How to be with the colorimeter, I do not know.

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Hello, SkyDance, you wrote: V _>> Esteemed forums. It seems that as i1 Display Pro SD> This - the colorimeter, but made on mind. You wrote that to you only displays, and without the expanded spanning (not OLED), means, the colorimeter can suffice. But - sensible, such that it supported Argyll. Even Spider 5 low is supported. Spider differs 5 nothing in the ruler, except a firm software. Plus Jumping through the hoops with this software that paid basic model did not use it as high. Argyll does this work unnecessary, support is added in 2015 V _>> But how much it is critical for the professional and $500 for objects in view, too, not clearly are justified. SD> the purpose it is very blurred it is delivered. If "it would be desirable to play" and "I want to expose identical brightness" is yes, it is possible. And in all remaining... It is difficult. Because dependence on lighting (i.e. rooms, lamps, windows, etc.) Almost on the order will be more noticeable, than absence of a profile. SD> and so generally all is simple: if is though any desire to print (a photo and other polygraphy), it is necessary to take the spectrophotometer, for the colorimeter - only displays, and only with standard spanning. That too can be a problem: if you have a good film display (with DCI-P3), or is planned once such to acquire, that, besides, with cheap colorimeters - a trouble. The purpose  LCD leading to their common denominator: - to Deliver made gamma (brightness/contrast) - to Adjust identical color balance, it is maximum  it to the reference. Reference is 2 monitor workstation with IPS monitors where I process photos. And so from time to time few times in a year since there is more than light in the summer. I it see as 2 steps: 1. Bossing on a maximum buttons of adjustment jarkos-contrast and RGB Levels, to expose the correct balance on neutral adjustments PC. Let's tell, I take for neutral 6500 K in the video driver on each specific device. Basic (coarse) adjustment 2. To create a color profile, over item 1 (fine tuning) the Software I this in eyes not  as well as the calibrator in hands did not hold type of exact adjustment. A maximum that I saw, it in OS "... Now reduce contrast while two gray squares do not merge in one" On the other hand, determination of the neutral can be the, i.e. about "for example 6500K" I am not assured. I.e., neutral == the colorimeter sees the depthbalanced gray color. Type of a photo of a card reference (50 % gray-) Are all type the help to the wife about a gift by February, 23rd. I.e. $500 turn out a little  for a gift. As a variant to buy the cheapest spider 5 and to test it with Argyll. Type as throw-away a sampler (probably) for purchase something  but then. For the press at me is . But  on it I will print a photo since it is more for business of a drawing and different things for school. To print photos is in a photographer's studio and control over it all the same is not present. Except, "Attention! No correction, please!" . So it turn out quite good photos with  contrast and not eaten halftones on brightness. I.e., if the window simply white without visible clouds and there is nothing it reversely  is made, transforming the person into a shade and again selecting from this world unnecessary clouds of type so is conceived. Photos go not for polygraphy - to parents. And  so: once you will look - too warm. The second - cold. In general, here I cannot invent, as it can be used, except as doing pleasant color in Lightroom on  the monitor and  that all will be as less as possible shifted. The scanner... Purely on-trick, but it at me frivolous, for documents,  and other. A projector I do not plan. If it is required DCI-P3 a TV set, then with calibration experience  the purchase then the calibrator will be small addition. I hope I will not reach, here it is possible long , as well as from audio for 20K, a coffee-machine for 5K... Somewhere it is necessary to stop. In acoustics I meaningly stopped approximately on $1500, from coffee on Nescafe instant with . Yes, I understand all, but to the good get used and then it seems all to the same basic. I.e. adding 1. Or to buy certainly (50 %) throw-away trial "at random", cheap Spider 5 with Argyll. To be trained, understand and with  probability of purchase more expensive 2. Or hardly more expensive i1 Display Pro then something will be bought more expensively less comfortably By me more to 2 variant while am declined

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Re: The calibrator for house monitors and TV sets

Hello, Vetal_ca, you wrote: V _> I Think, to buy the hardware calibrator since all devices on calibration counted more than 10 pieces. An eye at me engineering instead of design. And matrixes of all possible technologies except OLED, including old enough and  on quality of a matrix of a notebook and TV And what for to buy? Now looked, at us considered nearby i1Display Pro costs 20, and for rent it is possible to take for 300-500 a day. I understand, when professionally in it are engaged, but when it is necessary  let and 10 devices, but time in some years, sense to it  on a regiment?

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> And what for to buy? Now looked, at us considered nearby i1Display Pro costs 20, and for rent it is possible to take for 300-500 a day. I understand, when professionally in it are engaged, but when it is necessary  let and 10 devices, but time in some years, sense to it  on a regiment? Few times in a year. Colors have property to change. And the more so exterior lighting, in the summer and changes in the winter. To hire a thing somewhere it is a minimum an hour and a half. An hour and a half to take, ones and a half to give. After 2  cost benefit is lost. It if at someone one point. Points at me at least 2, apartment at center and a country house where I on days off go. It is possible to calibrate on operation, it will be better from the point of view of ergonomics. I.e. it is pure on time of sense is not present, even without hire cost.