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Topic: Advise cd player

to buy cd a player what to listen cd to disks as you consider what better to buy Onkyo C-7030 Compact Disc Player or what  USB a sound card to

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Hello, sergey2b, you wrote: S>  to buy cd a player what to listen cd to disks S> as you consider what better to buy Onkyo C-7030 Compact Disc Player or what  USB a sound card to  I thought, they already died out as mammoths.

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: L> I thought, they already died out as mammoths. There are no in the USA even new holders sell

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Hello, sergey2b, you wrote: S> there are no in the USA even new holders sell A-A-put! I ten in hands did not hold years an audiocassette and generally them did not see.

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: S>> there are no in the USA even new holders sell L> A-A-put! I ten in hands did not hold years an audiocassette and generally them did not see. With . At first rehabilitated vinyl, now undertook holders.

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Hello, aik, you wrote: aik> With . At first rehabilitated vinyl, now undertook holders. Somewhere read that so valued esthetes  vinyl phonograph records on tonal quality are comparable to a 12-bit digital audio. It is interesting, how in this plan with holders?

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And after all judges will sometime buy  warm lamp mp3..... Instead of rigidly sounding flac

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> And after all judges will sometime buy  warm lamp mp3... O>. Instead of rigidly sounding flac earlier quite often so happened. Wrote on  with 3, and with so-so . Was on sale normally in the markets.

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L> Somewhere read that so valued esthetes  vinyl phonograph records on tonal quality are comparable to a 12-bit digital audio. It is interesting, how in this plan with holders? Well about 12 bits you . Vinyl (normal) very much even anything. Only the equipment is necessary good for playback. Concerning holders, too came across quite to itself good. Only here there is a problem - where on them qualitatively to write? That that sold in streets ("firm") there quality the full slag. As holders and records. Well and plus holders quickly are strewed. Even faster .

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> well about 12 bits you . Vinyl (normal) very much even anything. Only the equipment is necessary good for playback. Tolerances on accuracy of cutting of spiral grooves on a master disk, and also on accuracy of correspondence of grooves on phonograph records to grooves on a master disk quite to itself finite. Rather low equivalent from this follows  a sound provided with vinyl. If someone doubts, can produce simple calculations.

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: L> Somewhere read that so valued esthetes  vinyl phonograph records on tonal quality are comparable to a 12-bit digital audio. All is much worse and more cheerful. At record on a plate the signal is intentionally distorted. And at playback it is required to produce reverse distortion. (See RIAA) These crutches have been added to squeeze out a maximum from poor mechanical .

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: L> Tolerances on accuracy of cutting of spiral grooves on a master disk, and also on accuracy of correspondence of grooves on phonograph records to grooves on a master disk quite to itself finite. Rather low equivalent from this follows  a sound provided with vinyl. If someone doubts, can produce simple calculations. Told And, tell B. Simple calculations - in studio!

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Hello, paucity, you wrote: P> Told And, tell B. Simple calculations - in studio! Most likely, accuracy of my calculations is up to standard of the decision of the task of Wood. I found something better: What is the effective bit rate of vinyl? I would like to record my vinyl and would like to know what the effective bit rate is of a vinyl (LP) recording? Anyone? Or is this a silly question? Not a silly question at all. To determine the effective bit rate necessary to fully capture the information on a vinyl LP, you need to know the bandwidth and the dynamic range. A typical vinyl LP has a bandwidth of about 18kHz (when it's brand new, it might get up to about 22kHz). There is certainly some audio stuff above that, but it generally bears no relation to meaningful programme material (ie. it's noise and distortion). So let's be generous and assume a bandwidth of 22kHz: you'll need to sample this at 44kHz. The dynamic range of a beautifully pressed LP on virgin vinyl can get to about 65-70dB on a good day with a following wind, which equates to slightly less than 12 bits. So the bit rate required is 44,000 x 12 x 2 (for stereo), giving about 1030kbs. A more typical LP (18kHz bandwidth, dynamic range of 55dB) needs a bit rate of about 650kbs. For comparison purposes, the CD bit rate is 1378kbs. As to what format to record vinyl in, there is little point in using anything higher than 44.1/16: exceeding this does nothing other than consume more disk space. If you are intending to do huge amounts of post-processing, you *might* consider recording at 24bit rather than 16bit to avoid any possibility of rounding errors during processing. But to be frank, even 16bit gives you vast amounts of space to do plenty of processing and still keep the rounding errors way below the vinyl noise floor. (My underlining) Can anyone give a clue how did you calculate those 12 bits? And where did you get those numbers for the dynamic range? Not that I wanted to argue, just understand. 1 bit = 6.02dB (plus a tiny bit) of SNR. SNR (in dB)/6.02=bits. Can anyone give a clue how did you calculate those 12 bits? And where did you get those numbers for the dynamic range? Not that I wanted to argue, just understand. Its roughly 6 (6.2?) dB to a bit. The actual calculation is based on the average error from each level chosen during quantinization. On average you'll be off by half a level. You can use this to figure out the ratio of signal to noise. Google for the derivation. Its not intitive, but pretty simple once you see a diagram of how the process works.

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Hello, sergey2b, you wrote: S> as you consider what better to buy Onkyo C-7030 Compact Disc Player or what  USB a sound card to  Now on quite mass motherboards sound cards come across quite even anything, in respect of quality of playback.

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: L> Tolerances on accuracy of cutting of spiral grooves on a master disk, and also on accuracy of correspondence of grooves on phonograph records to grooves on a master disk quite to itself finite. Rather low equivalent from this follows  a sound provided with vinyl. If someone doubts, can produce simple calculations. Finite accuracy leads to that plate "bits" are not quite linear, but at a plate enough big dynamic range (I suppose, more, than at CD), and it in 12 bits is not laid down in any way.

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Pzz> Now on quite mass motherboards sound cards come across quite even anything, in respect of quality of playback. I sit here  in earphones thrust in the integrated board sound. And it when is not present a sound  to me in clock period to the screw))) but I do not listen to music practically, so to me in general all the same.

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: Pzz>> Now on quite mass motherboards sound cards come across quite even anything, in respect of quality of playback. K> I sit here  in earphones thrust in the integrated board sound. And it when is not present a sound  to me in clock period to the screw))) Mine not . Probably, cannot dare, to what of three screws thrust in I wash the car,

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: L> A typical vinyl LP has a bandwidth of about 18kHz (when it's brand new, it might get up to about 22kHz). The presents  put the plates of times in a year, on the big holidays. Therefore they always brand new so I would stop on 22kHz. L> The dynamic range of a beautifully pressed LP on virgin vinyl can get to about 65-70dB on a good day with a following wind, which equates to slightly less than 12 bits. Here this  raises the doubts. The matter is that 70dB is a dynamic range good . And the plate very noticeably is better good .

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: aik>> With . At first rehabilitated vinyl, now undertook holders. L> Somewhere read that so valued esthetes  vinyl phonograph records on tonal quality are comparable to a 12-bit digital audio. It is interesting, how in this plan with holders? With everyones dolby and FeCr to 20kHz purely analog sound, what  bits.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Finite accuracy leads to that plate "bits" are not quite linear, but at a plate enough big dynamic range (I suppose, more, than at CD), and it in 12 bits is not laid down in any way. Like much less, than at CD, it even artificially restrict.

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> I sit here  in earphones thrust in the integrated board sound. And it when is not present a sound  to me in clock period to the screw))) Most likely a cheap supply on mother + cheap . And  from customers.

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Here this  raises the doubts. The matter is that 70dB is a dynamic range good . And the plate very noticeably is better good . - Than better? - Than .

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L> - Than better? L> - than . Fairly I recognize that I do not remember digits specific. But you will argue, what quality with bobbin is better than the holder on the order?

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Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> fairly I recognize that I do not remember digits specific. But you will argue, what quality with bobbin is better than the holder on the order? And in my opinion, they identical. (c)