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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> And unless the essence consists not what from the infinite number of points there is no method to select in a random way at least one point? Well or in other words, the probability of a choice any  the taken point is equal to zero. The probabilities which are distinct from zero, arise only by reviewing of intervals.

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> And unless the essence consists not what from the infinite number of points there is no method to select in a random way at least one point? Why?

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: BFE>> And unless the essence consists not what from the infinite number of points there is no method to select in a random way at least one point? E> why? Why there is no method? ... In attempt to answer this question it is possible to write some philosophical treatises binding together predefiniteness of origin of life in the infinite order of chaos, a principle of uncertainty of Gejzenberga and the theorem of Godel of incompleteness. However I will answer simply: probability of such event a zero, as number of variants of an outcome of a choice infinitely. Gets rid of this infinity it is possible only by means of the second infinity, for example by means of containing the infinite amount of points of a segment (or an area slice), but that you receive in a limit will be not a point, and infinitesimal value.

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> Hello, Erop, you wrote: BFE>>> And unless the essence consists not what from the infinite number of points there is no method to select in a random way at least one point? E>> why? BFE> Why there is no method? ... In attempt to answer this question it is possible to write some philosophical treatises binding together predefiniteness of origin of life in the infinite order of chaos, a principle of uncertainty of Gejzenberga and the theorem of Godel of incompleteness. However I will answer simply: probability of such event a zero, as number of variants of an outcome of a choice infinitely. Gets rid of this infinity it is possible only by means of the second infinity, for example by means of containing the infinite amount of points of a segment (or an area slice), but that you receive in a limit will be not a point, and infinitesimal value. It is possible so to arrive: we select a point from set from one point, and then in set it is added the infinite amount of points. We receive a point selected of the infinite amount of points.

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Hello, rg45, you wrote: R> At once I am sorry, if a bayan. Today set a problem, very much it was pleasant. R> a direct stick in a random way break in two places. What probability of that from the received slices it is possible to add a triangle. Allocation of probability of position of fractures on length of a stick to consider as uniform. http://rsdn.org/forum/etude/2642181 the author: StatujaLeha Date: 01.09.07

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Hello, StatujaLeha, you wrote: SL> http://rsdn.org/forum/etude/2642181 the Author: StatujaLeha Date: 01.09.07 2. The twig is blindfold given to the person. It breaks it. Selects from two  one and once again breaks it. By reviewing of this variant, you recognized that probability of a choice of twigs is identical and equal 1/2. And here,  if to consider, what the probability of a choice of a twig is directly proportional to its length, whether there will be we again on 1/4?

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Hello, rg45, you wrote: R> By reviewing of this variant, you recognized that probability of a choice of twigs is identical and equal 1/2. And here,  if to consider, what the probability of a choice of a twig is directly proportional to its length, whether there will be we again on 1/4? I do not know, about such I did not reflect. At me probability of a choice 1/2 because after the first break in each hand on a twig, casually we select a hand and we throw out a twig.

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Hello, Qulac, you wrote: Q> It is possible so to arrive: we select a point from set from one point, and then in set it is added the infinite amount of points. We receive a point selected of the infinite amount of points. And where here randomness?

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> Hello, Qulac, you wrote: Q>> It is possible so to arrive: we select a point from set from one point, and then in set it is added the infinite amount of points. We receive a point selected of the infinite amount of points. BFE> and where here randomness? And where regularity?

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Hello, Qulac, you wrote: Q>>> It is possible so to arrive: we select a point from set from one point, and then in set it is added the infinite amount of points. We receive a point selected of the infinite amount of points. BFE>> and where here randomness? Q> and where regularity? In a point choice.

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> Hello, Qulac, you wrote: Q>>>> It is possible so to arrive: we select a point from set from one point, and then in set it is added the infinite amount of points. We receive a point selected of the infinite amount of points. BFE>>> and where here randomness? Q>> and where regularity? BFE> in a point choice. It seems to me that if to change a statement of the problem the problem of a choice of a point from infinity disappears.

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> Why there is no method? ... In attempt to answer this question it is possible to write some philosophical treatises binding together predefiniteness of origin of life in the infinite order of chaos, a principle of uncertainty of Gejzenberga and the theorem of Godel of incompleteness. However I will answer simply: probability of such event a zero, as number of variants of an outcome of a choice infinitely. Gets rid of this infinity it is possible only by means of the second infinity, for example by means of containing the infinite amount of points of a segment (or an area slice), but that you receive in a limit will be not a point, and infinitesimal value. Bosh what. Certainly it is possible to receive each specific point with probability 0, but it means that any will not receive... Look. You take you buy a small group of resistors on 10 CLODS + - 1 CLOD, and you measure resistance sequentially. First two at whom resistance got to a range [9.5, 10.5] you select, from resistance you subtract 9.5 and you receive coordinate of a casual point in a square 11. Thus you can measure resistance of resistors however you want precisely. This pair resistors sets unambiguously casual point...

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: E> Bosh what. Certainly it is possible to receive each specific point with probability 0, but it means that any will not receive... E> Look. You take you buy a small group of resistors on 10 CLODS + - 1 CLOD, and you measure resistance sequentially. E> first two at whom resistance got to a range [9.5, 10.5] you select, from resistance you subtract 9.5 and you receive coordinate of a casual point in a square 11. Thus you can measure resistance of resistors however you want precisely. This pair resistors sets unambiguously casual point... Erop, well about what you write? Well what else physics in the mathematician? What such infinite accuracy of measurement of resistance of resistors? All your "infinite" choice is restricted by an instrument scale that you would not measure. Any scale has the delta of an error and in this delta such abyss of numbers finds room that even it is impossible to enumerate them. And how, by the way, you suggest me to move ahead in measurements longer a quantum limit?

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> All your "infinite" choice is restricted by an instrument scale that you would not measure. Any scale has the delta of an error and in this delta such abyss of numbers finds room that even it is impossible to enumerate them. And at what here a scale? It is a question about value of RESISTANCE of the resistor, instead of about  measurements the real resistor has a resistance, how the objective characteristic? That limitation of your consciousness and techniques of measurement of resistance does not allow to learn precisely its value and to contain all diversity of numbers is only your problems. Nevertheless, it is quite constructive method of actions BFE> And how, by the way, you suggest me to move ahead in measurements longer a quantum limit? What is  a limit of resistance to an electrocurrent? If that Rk it is simple certain easily played back unit of an impedance. Something like an impedance of one cube of vacuum And it is equal about 26 CLODS. You of resistors on smaller nominals never met?

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Hello, Erop, you wrote: BFE>> All your "infinite" choice is restricted by an instrument scale that you would not measure. Any scale has the delta of an error and in this delta such abyss of numbers finds room that even it is impossible to enumerate them. E> And at what here a scale? It is a question about value of RESISTANCE of the resistor, instead of about  measurements . Here you about what. You state that in the nature there are random variables. Excuse, but it does not transit on a statement of the problem. For manufacture of the infinite amount of resistors there will be no all matter of the observable Universe. And if the choice is not infinite, the task is not solved.

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> . Here you about what. You state that in the nature there are random variables. Excuse, but it does not transit on a statement of the problem. For manufacture of the infinite amount of resistors there will be no all matter of the observable Universe. And if the choice is not infinite, the task is not solved. A material it is possible ...