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Topic: The air conditioner without the external unit

I welcome. In continuation http://rsdn.org/forum/life/7031217.1 the Author: Real 3L0 Date: 25.01 18:56 Initially I planned to take  + Mitsubishi Electric Lossnay VL-100EU5-E (the best forced-air and exhaust ventilation, from found me).  (not an extension) - the mandatory requirement at me. But now met devices which not only are connected in one, but also I have the normal size of a hole on street (up until that time found only with holes of ~5 sm that is not meaningful): For example: Olimpia Splendid Unico inverter 9 HP Somebody faced?

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R3> Somebody faced? Called in pair offices:  acts in film. It only the air conditioner without the exterior unit. Nevertheless, I will consider it as a variant.

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Hello, mike_rs, you wrote: _> that confuses? Yes, it more low-15 does not work, it is normal. If it is necessary, that worked, it is necessary  to model to search, it is not enough of them and the price list grows non-linearly. Practically for any model additional "whale", for operation is on sale at the under temperatures. Firm it is expensive, "general-purpose" it is quite accessible. Operation/installation manage more expensively.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Practically for any model additional "whale", for operation is on sale at the under temperatures. It for cooling (yes, it sometimes is required also in the winter), heating of a drainage and  the compressor. For heating this dial-up does not help from a word absolutely.

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> Somebody faced? At the mother-in-law on a summer residence a monoblock, a pipe on street, ,> =10, firm and model I do not remember. Buzzs, a bough, loudly, even at low-power "a night mode" and so - quite the task fulfills. Yes, still the condensate should be poured out of it most though like some are able to evaporate it in "exhaust".

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: SK>> Practically for any model additional "whale", for operation is on sale at the under temperatures. Ops> it for cooling (yes, it sometimes is required also in the winter), heating of a drainage and  the compressor. For heating this dial-up does not help from a word absolutely. It for location heating. On fingers, it is figurative: the Thermal pump works transferring heat between spaces. If on the one hand the heat exchanger heats up, with another is cooled. At location cooling, the street heat exchanger (a drainage and ) heats up naturally, heat transferred of a location - does not subside a condensate - problems are not present. Taking away from air of street space, giving heat to a location, street  it is cooled below air temperature, on it subsides a condensate and its efficiency fatally falls. For recovery of efficiency the heat exchanger (and ) needs to be thawed a drainage.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: No, for cooling. SK> on fingers, it is figurative: the Thermal pump works transferring heat between spaces. If on the one hand the heat exchanger heats up, with another is cooled. At location cooling, the street heat exchanger (a drainage and ) heats up naturally, heat transferred of a location - does not subside a condensate - problems are not present. Whence in a drainage a condensate by operation on heating? Water is in the external unit when it turnes on on thawing, but for it any heating in winter sets do not do. The heating  is necessary for cold start, instead of for operation - for it enough that capacity that moves on the compressor, there one hundred-other watt and so in heat leaves, oil does not freeze. Give you you will take an interest at those who dealt  and other thermal pumps, instead of the logic you will apply on the incomplete data?

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Hello, Ops, you wrote: SK>>> Practically for any model additional "whale", for operation is on sale at the under temperatures. Ops>> it for cooling (yes, it sometimes is required also in the winter), heating of a drainage and  the compressor. For heating this dial-up does not help from a word absolutely. SK> It for location heating. SK> on fingers, it is figurative: the Thermal pump works transferring heat between spaces. If on the one hand the heat exchanger heats up, with another is cooled. At location cooling, the street heat exchanger (a drainage and ) heats up naturally, heat transferred of a location - does not subside a condensate - problems are not present. SK> Taking away from air of street space, giving heat to a location, street  it is cooled below air temperature, on it subsides a condensate and its efficiency fatally falls. For recovery of efficiency the heat exchanger (and ) needs to be thawed a drainage. For location heating at the negative external temperatures warmly to carry there is nothing. The heat carrier does not evaporate, a reptile. Ops correctly all wrote. The winter whale is intended for operation in the winter on cooling.

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Hello, vladislav_somov, you wrote: SK>> Taking away from air of street space, giving heat to a location, street  it is cooled below air temperature, on it subsides a condensate and its efficiency fatally falls. For recovery of efficiency the heat exchanger (and ) needs to be thawed a drainage. _> for location heating at the negative external temperatures warmly to carry there is nothing. The heat carrier does not evaporate, a reptile. It is what that very strange heat carrier (spirit? Water?). Even the first widespread air conditioners, on ammonia worked at minus (temperature of boiling a minus 30 on ). Efficiency can be not so "interesting", but it is already economic individual question.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Hello, vladislav_somov, you wrote: SK>>> Taking away from air of street space, giving heat to a location, street  it is cooled below air temperature, on it subsides a condensate and its efficiency fatally falls. For recovery of efficiency the heat exchanger (and ) needs to be thawed a drainage. _>> for location heating at the negative external temperatures warmly to carry there is nothing. The heat carrier does not evaporate, a reptile. SK> it is what that very strange heat carrier (spirit? Water?) . Even the first widespread air conditioners, on ammonia worked at minus (temperature of boiling a minus 30 on ). It at what pressure? SK> efficiency can be not so "interesting", but it is already economic individual question. And us, certainly, this question does not interest. Therefore we would accept the air conditioner which works in the winter on heating, let even at it efficiency will be close to zero. And to everyone it is clear that  thus it should be saved, without looking at efficiency. The air conditioner which consumes electricities is not necessary to us more than produces heat.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> Whence in a drainage a condensate by operation on heating? Water is in the external unit when it turnes on on thawing, but for it any heating in winter sets do not do. Nevertheless with reading on  recently any fatal problems: street  it is cooled below air temperature, on it subsides a condensate and its efficiency fatally falls. Ops> give you you will take an interest at those who dealt  and other thermal pumps, instead of the logic you will apply on the incomplete data? Aha

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Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: Ops>> Whence in a drainage a condensate by operation on heating? Water is in the external unit when it turnes on on thawing, but for it any heating in winter sets do not do. L> nevertheless with reading on  recently any fatal problems: Aha.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops>>> Whence in a drainage a condensate by operation on heating? Water is in the external unit when it turnes on on thawing, but for it any heating in winter sets do not do. L>> nevertheless with reading on  recently any fatal problems: Ops> Aha. Taking away from air of street space, giving heat to a location, street  it is cooled below air temperature, on it subsides a condensate and its efficiency fatally falls. For recovery of efficiency the heat exchanger (and ) needs to be thawed a drainage. Where water from the heat exchanger after thawing, in your opinion, gets and what with it becomes, if the heating of the underpan (, it a drainage of the exterior unit) is not present?

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Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L> Where water from the heat exchanger after thawing, in your opinion, gets and what with it becomes, if the heating of the underpan (, it a drainage of the exterior unit) is not present? Warm up  the compressor, it is not necessary to confuse it to a bottom of the external unit. And here a separate drainage for the external unit, in home models where heating far not the main mode, simply do not do, all leaks through some holes at the bottom of the case. Anything has not time to freeze, come - I will show.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> Warm up  the compressor, it is not necessary to confuse it to a bottom of the external unit. Carter (the compressor) warm up for cold start Ops> And here a separate drainage for the external unit, in home models where heating far not the main mode, simply do not do, all leaks through some holes at the bottom of the case. Anything has not time to freeze, come - I will show. Also do and warm. Those Mitsu that I to myself in Australia put, naturally, went without heating, but with an option. In the instruction was and it is told that for maintenance at temperatures below zero it is necessary to install heating of the underpan. All is simple - if the underpan not to warm up, on it   such ice floe.

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Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: L> All is simple - if the underpan not to warm up, on it   such ice floe. It you, of course, in Australia saw? At me if that, to-18 under the passport, and  does not rise, unless snow above the heat sink .

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: L>> All is simple - if the underpan not to warm up, on it   such ice floe. Ops> it you, of course, in Australia saw? At me if that, to-18 under the passport, and  does not rise, unless snow above the heat sink . No, in Australia such,  me. To you simply carries with humidity of air. Here in Peter there are serene days like-5 and 100 % of humidity. There can freeze easily.

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> But now met devices which not only are connected in one, but also I have the normal size of a hole on street (up until that time found only with holes of ~5 sm that is not meaningful): R3> For example: Olimpia Splendid Unico inverter 9 HP R3> Somebody faced? Not absolutely understood, 5 sm did not arrange, and 20 sm arranged?

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Not absolutely understood, 5 sm did not arrange, and 20 sm arranged? Count cubic meter of the room and count, what is the time it is required to the device with a hole of 5 sm to fill such volume.