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Topic: Winter buses

and why us not to consider such accessory not claimed in Australia, how winter rubber? And that my current rubber somehow is not pleasant to me. Than it was possible to use: Gislaved NordFrost3. . It was exploited on . Cheap but good, on snow-covered court yard it was very well gone. Hakkapeliitta 5SUV. Too . Stood on GrandVitare. On ice, asphalt and on the rolled snow you go as on rails. In this plan it is very happy. For 5 seasons it was saved more than 50 % of thorns. Minuses: 1. Soft , from an ice track on them to be selected heavy. 2. In porridge from snow also salt a protector it is hammered and you go as a cow on ice. 3. The price list absolutely inhumane though do it at us in Vsevolozhsk (bought in the Finn, from 4 wheels spared 400). Now I go on Goodyear Ultragrip Ice Arctic. Here  , a track any more a problem. That is not pleasant: 1. For the first season lost thorns more than on Hakke for all period of maintenance. Whether thorns so  keep, whether the machine strongly another. Style of driving did not change - . 2. On the slippery holds badly, and in turns absolutely badly. Even on 10km/ch when you are stolen on court yard. Whether a protector singularity, whether superfluous 500 have an effect, whether the width of rubber (265/65R17), and can also all together - not clearly. I think for the following season to buy other rubber. While two candidates:  - there is a representation that from it to wait and Cooper Discoverer M+S, for a long time on it I look narrowly.  . What judgements will be?

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SVZ> While two candidates: SVZ> Hakka - is representation that from it to wait and SVZ> Cooper Discoverer M+S, for a long time on it I look narrowly. SVZ> Essno . Territorially where? Because in the European part of the Russian Federation (Moscow, Krasnodar, for example) is doubts in necessity

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Hello, Sammo, you wrote: S> Territorially where? S> Because in the European part of the Russian Federation (Moscow, Krasnodar, for example) is doubts in necessity  Territorially - SPb, with incidental departures to Kareliya. Ice at us meets often, in the winter of temperature skip from +7 to-25.  thorns  are necessary. Noise does not strain.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> That is not pleasant: SVZ> 1. For the first season lost thorns more than on Hakke for all period of maintenance. Whether thorns so  keep, whether the machine strongly another. Style of driving did not change - . SVZ> 2. On the slippery holds badly, and in turns absolutely badly. Even on 10km/ch when you are stolen on court yard. Whether a protector singularity, whether superfluous 500 have an effect, whether the width of rubber (265/65R17), and can also all together - not clearly. I put that a problem in width. The mass is faster in plus - better porridge presses through and thorns in ice are stronger drives in.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> Kamrady and why us not to consider such accessory not claimed in Australia, how winter rubber? SVZ> what there will be judgements? Gislaved NordFrost 5. Shipps. Good behavior on snow, on ice and on asphalt. The first 4 winters of drop-out of thorns were individual. Used 7 years, approximately 50 % of thorns in this time fell out. Nokian Nordman 7. Shipps. Good behavior on snow, on ice and on asphalt. But on the asphalt slightly strewn lightly with snow and poured by reagents behavior not so good. This week well itself showed at driving on  to streets and at a parking or departure from a parking in  court yard. I use the first winter, at a passing thorns on a place. I will examine more in detail in the spring.

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Hello, AleksandrN, you wrote: AN> Nokian Nordman 7. Shipps. Good behavior on snow, on ice and on asphalt. But on the asphalt slightly strewn lightly with snow and poured by reagents behavior not so good. This week well itself showed at driving on  to streets and at a parking or departure from a parking in  court yard. I use the first winter, at a passing thorns on a place. I will examine more in detail in the spring. I correctly understand, what Nordman is same Hakka, only the previous models and under other name?

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Hello, Sammo, you wrote: S> Because in the European part of the Russian Federation (Moscow, Krasnodar, for example) is doubts in necessity  the European part of Russia big and in different regions the climate very much differs.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> I correctly understand, what Nordman is same Hakka, only the previous models and under other name? Yes.  now with an index 9. And 7 is issued under a name of Nordman.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> What there will be judgements? , at me , UG Ice +, here to that is now created - digs cool, I pass there where others push. So like, with controllability all is good, if , in turns by well pedal of gas is supervised. But absolutely ice at us does not happen almost.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> What there will be judgements? I go on Snow Cross. On a difference in the price with what-thread  simply installed a noise isolation in the machine.

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Hello, Programmizd, you wrote: AN>> Yes.  now with an index 9. And 7 is issued under a name of Nordman. If it so why Nordman is cheaper than Hakki of time in 2? For my size  9 costs 12, 8 - 10,  - 8. Not in 2 times. On a subject - it is necessary to take either , or . Or the cheapest on which the hand rises. As coupling at  more or less identical. If you buy the most expensive - that will not be regrets "and here hakka/konti here held". About any another will be. And if and hakka/konti does not hold - that any another precisely would not consult. Whether the aspiration to spare 2  on  for example leads to settlement to a worm of doubts "and truth is the same  only old? And suddenly in rubber something ? And suddenly compound not that rigidity  ". And can not it is necessary was overpay for  and for 2  to take cheaper  or  as Unique possible objective method to select rubber - to take on the test of different tire covers and to pass an ice ring (most). Then circle time tells, what to take. At me   8, before was 7, before was  (). Neshipovannaja rubber in my opinion can be necessary so much not to spoil the machine sign  and any other pluses has no.

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Hello, Programmizd, you wrote: AN>> Yes.  now with an index 9. And 7 is issued under a name of Nordman. If it so why Nordman is cheaper than Hakki of time in 2? As far as I understand, banal marketing. Time the technology is already debugged what for to break a line - continue to drive production under other name and to hill an average price range. And for bonus () -  models with the torn prices.

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I will add the response: Nokian Nordman 7 (205/50/17) on Veste Cross connect Pirelli Ice Zero (185/65/14) on Priore it is exceptional on sensations - Pirelli holds on asphalt better, on snow + - one and too, on ice of Pirelli hardly was better. In general to buy not the last version of rubber it is not necessary, but it is possible to live.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> Kamrady and why us not to consider such accessory not claimed in Australia, how winter rubber?... SVZ> what there will be judgements? There is a judgement (confirmed with the bought tests), what even the same rubber in the different sizes essentially enough differs. So it makes sense to compare at least the close sizes.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> What there will be judgements? Certainly, only judgement. Do not consider for the pervert, but I go here by it 3 a season (I go a little). Federal Himalaya WS2 225/50 R17 94T (20  for a set) Sensations: the Soft edge, is rumpled at a parking on irregular surfaces. Slightly , but looking with what to compare. A problem is not. Holds on 4-ku, it is possible with a minus. The stable sensation of confidence sometimes suddenly passing in breaking of a point at the emergency braking on ice. Noise it is audible, but does not strain, i.e. in ears does not climb. For 3 seasons lost thorns 5 from all wheels. And I do not protect them, at all I do not protect. Yes, are balanced . One wheel almost without loads, on other under 150. Did retrimming, the pattern strongly exchanged, loads were reallocated, but in the total remains as much. After the next season I find out that resemble still a season, after all if to take new, it is necessary to be soared what to take. To repeat special desire is not present. Frightens that different responses from a batch to a batch.

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Hello, samius, you wrote: S> the Stable sensation of confidence sometimes suddenly passing in breaking of a point at the emergency braking on ice. That's it it also was to be avoided S> yes, are balanced . One wheel almost without loads, on other under 150. Did retrimming, the pattern strongly exchanged, loads were reallocated, but in the total remains as much. At my size  and the heaped up brands are balanced so-so.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> Hello, samius, you wrote: S>> the Stable sensation of confidence sometimes suddenly passing in breaking of a point at the emergency braking on ice. SVZ> that's it it also was to be avoided It it is possible to avoid, if is permanent to go with sensation of a torn point. Or rubber should brake accurately sharply in any conditions. I do not know, whether it is possible. The first method, at least, does not smell as mysticism.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> Kamrady and why us not to consider such accessory not claimed in Australia, how winter rubber? Kama of Euro 519  14 inches. I go 3rd season,  9000 km. A few thorns fell out, holds normally. But rustles certainly strongly

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Hello, sambl4, you wrote: S> Kama of Euro 519  14 inches. I go 3rd season,  9000 km. A few thorns fell out, holds normally. But strongly Noise it more likely a noise isolation minus, than a lack of buses rustles certainly.

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SVZ> Hakkapeliitta 5SUV. SVZ> Too . Stood on GrandVitare. On ice, asphalt and on the rolled snow you go as on rails. SVZ> in this plan it is very happy. For 5 seasons it was saved more than 50 % of thorns. SVZ> minuses: SVZ> 1. Soft , from an ice track on them to be selected heavy. SVZ> 2. In porridge from snow also salt a protector it is hammered and you go as a cow on ice. SVZ> 3. The price list absolutely inhumane though do it at us in Vsevolozhsk (bought in the Finn, from 4 wheels spared 400). 3rd winter on such wheels, only the version strengthened 5SUV something there...  it is strengthened like and as much as possible allowable weight on a wheel more. The machine on mass  as at you, only wheels hardly already. Goes well in all conditions. In absolutely extremal still never was, that so you consider centimeters and you think you will be in time-not you will be in time stops. Style of driving aggressively ). For 2 winters of any thorn it is not lost.  the third goes. The deep track yes is felt, but especially does not strain.  here other rubber does not help, will be about the same. Protector swampings never caught.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> Now I go on Goodyear Ultragrip Ice Arctic. And at me such on a front-wheel sedan. Only there is less in size. Took for the positive responses about passableness. Basically, it is happy. SVZ> 1. For the first season lost thorns more than on Hakke for all period of maintenance. Whether thorns so  keep, whether the machine strongly another. Style of driving did not change - . Already the fourth season. Would not tell that many thorns are lost. Happened and more. SVZ> 2. On the slippery holds badly, and in turns absolutely badly. Even on 10km/ch when you are stolen on court yard. Whether a protector singularity, whether superfluous 500 have an effect, whether the width of rubber (265/65R17), and can also all together - not clearly. Went  on region two-band road, where  only the middle in width in one machine. All road there was a proof sensation of unsteadiness.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> What there will be judgements? I understand this business absolutely badly, therefore took simply the most expensive thorns of Hakka 9 . It is terribly happy, meal of confidently, any claims.

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Hello, sambl4, you wrote: S> Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ>> Kamrady and why us not to consider such accessory not claimed in Australia, how winter rubber? S> Kama of Euro 519  14 inches. I go 3rd season,  9000 km. A few thorns fell out, holds normally. But rustles certainly strongly Two seasons - a minus all thorns. Holds on ice hardly on worse Pirelli, but for the the prices perfectly. But at Pirelli at the same driving for two years all thorns on a place.

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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W> Two seasons - a minus all thorns. Holds on ice hardly on worse Pirelli, but for the the prices perfectly. But at Pirelli at the same driving for two years all thorns on a place. And run in kilometers what?

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Hello, sambl4, you wrote: S> Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W>> Two seasons - a minus all thorns. Holds on ice hardly on worse Pirelli, but for the the prices perfectly. But at Pirelli at the same driving for two years all thorns on a place. S> and run in kilometers what? In a year 30-35 it is normal. Style of driving with boxes.