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Topic: The information conservation law

Heard about paradox of a black hole, on a subject of that that the information, i.e. how much I understand, connected to the quantum phenomena - correct, if I am mistaken - as would disappear for the matter which have appeared in a black hole. Heard, the information - if I do not confuse - entropy to a reverse sign - it is defined by a probability logarithm. But all is not absolutely clear, what exactly states the information conservation law - the probability changes eventually - or not? If yes, whether that can exist the information out of time? If is not present, that turns out. Even light cannot abandon a black hole because of a space curvature but if to look from only point of view of time, and to consider that in a black hole it stops, it is not necessary to enter concept of a curvature of space. It is enough to consider that the instant in a black hole lasts eternity outside then with what speed photons would not move in a black hole, at any not infinite speed time will be nonzero, hence eternity out of a black hole, therefore photons therefrom will not be selected only proceeding from it. And then that with the mentioned paradox - turns out, the information simply turns in snapshot? From the point of view of the information conservation law it is disappearance or how?

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Re: The information conservation law

Hello, Ilya81, you wrote: I> Heard about paradox of a black hole, on a subject of that that the information, i.e. how much I understand, connected to the quantum phenomena - correct, if I am mistaken - as would disappear for the matter which have appeared in a black hole. Heard, the information - if I do not confuse - entropy to a reverse sign - it is defined by a probability logarithm. But all is not absolutely clear, what exactly states the information conservation law - the probability changes eventually - or not? If yes, whether that can exist the information out of time? And it is, this law? With black holes a problem another - there like as violations conservation laws of quantum numbers. For example, you from  neutral system can receive charged, "dropping" a superfluous charge in a black hole where it "disappears".

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Re: The information conservation law

Hello, Ilya81, you wrote: I> If is not present, that turns out. Even light cannot abandon a black hole because of a space curvature but if to look from only point of view of time, and to consider that in a black hole it stops, it is not necessary to enter concept of a curvature of space. It is Enough to consider that the instant in a black hole lasts eternity outside then with what speed photons would not move in a black hole, at any not infinite speed time will be nonzero, hence eternity out of a black hole, therefore photons therefrom will not be selected only proceeding from it. And then that with the mentioned paradox - turns out, the information simply turns in snapshot? From the point of view of the information conservation law it is disappearance or how? In the quantum theory black holes do not exist eternally. Their period of life is restricted, they break up. Period of life of microscopic black holes - billions the years having mass of the order solar nearby 10E+69. In mass about a galaxy nearby 10 in 100th level of years.

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Re: The information conservation law

Hello, 0x7be, you wrote: 0> With black holes a problem another - there like as violations conservation laws of quantum numbers. 0> for example, you from  neutral system can receive charged, "dropping" a superfluous charge in a black hole where it "disappears". Not the fact that disappears.

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Re: The information conservation law

Hello, GarryIV, you wrote: GIV> Not the fact that disappears. Therefore I also wrote so-called. That there it is is specific with it happens -  for all this rubbish breaks physics

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Re: The information conservation law

Hello, 0x7be, you wrote: 0> With black holes a problem another - there like as violations conservation laws of quantum numbers. 0> for example, you from  neutral system can receive charged, "dropping" a superfluous charge in a black hole where it "disappears". And in it it is possible to drop antisubstance and to receive in the Universe prevalence of substance.

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Re: The information conservation law

Hello, GarryIV, you wrote: GIV> Hello, 0x7be, you wrote: 0>> With black holes a problem another - there like as violations conservation laws of quantum numbers. 0>> for example, you from  neutral system can receive charged, "dropping" a superfluous charge in a black hole where it "disappears". GIV> Not the fact that disappears. It is all it is already invented already in 18 year. Between 1916 and 1918 of G.Rajsner and G.Nordstryom found the decision of the equations of the field, describing a black hole with mass and a charge. The following step on this way was delayed till 1963 when Dig P.Kerr found the decision for the black hole possessing in mass and the moment of an amount of driving. At last, in 1965 Njumen, Koch, Chinnapared, Ex-tone, Prakash and Torrens published the decision for the most difficult type of a black hole, namely for a hole with mass, a charge and the moment of an amount of driving. Each of these decisions is unique - other possible decisions are not present. The black hole is characterized, the greatest, three parameters - mass (designated through M) a charge (electrical or magnetic, it is designated through Q) and the moment of an amount of driving (is designated through). All these possible decisions are shown in tab. 10.1.

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Re: The information conservation law

Hello, MS MSDN, you wrote: 0>> With black holes a problem another - there like as violations conservation laws of quantum numbers. 0>> for example, you from  neutral system can receive charged, "dropping" a superfluous charge in a black hole where it "disappears". MM> And in it it is possible to drop antisubstance and to receive in the Universe prevalence of substance. Like as substance and so prevails because of violation of symmetry any there (read, but particulars I do not remember)

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Re: The information conservation law

Hello, MS MSDN, you wrote: MM> It is all it is already invented already in 18 year. MM> MM> between 1916 and 1918 of G.Rajsner and G.Nordstryom found the decision of the equations of the field, describing a black hole with mass and a charge. The following step on this way was delayed till 1963 when Dig P.Kerr found the decision for the black hole possessing in mass and the moment of an amount of driving. At last, in 1965 Njumen, Koch, Chinnapared, Ex-tone, Prakash and Torrens published the decision for the most difficult type of a black hole, namely for a hole with mass, a charge and the moment of an amount of driving. Each of these decisions is unique - other possible decisions are not present. The black hole is characterized, the greatest, three parameters - mass (designated through M) a charge (electrical or magnetic, it is designated through Q) and the moment of an amount of driving (is designated through. All these possible decisions are shown in tab. 10.1. That is invented much that, did not hear anything about  measurement of charge .