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Topic: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hurrah companions! I admit that under , and not only under , but also even under Windows (for cmake projects), I sit in IDE kdevelop, https://www.kdevelop.org/IDE excellent, fast, simple, with navigation on the code, by possibilities in this area even exceed MC studio. IDE KDEVELOP, always had support cmake projects in itself, it is clear that as decent IDE for , was able to work and with standard make projects. Under Windows naturally I sat under studio, well and 2017 as it is known quitted "recently", and here there was even any more one update for it. And here there was a support of projects of type of "driver" that for me clear, put the main thing... And here I decided "" that new in these "new" 2017 studios... Began to understand and with surprise suddenly found out that they tore off everything that dialogues could with KDEVELOP, ridiculous that to mine even. . (In the field of adjustment CMAKE of projects, dialogues it is exact, but also even "idea" of the interface). Particulars on studio and CMAKE here - https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/vcblog … make-3-10/ But... Here about what exactly this post - to mine, children from the MSEC overslept for already under  is IDE, and already __ than studio so, what late to try to jump in a leaving train... And WSL it is already necessary to nobody. The MSEC again . That is why having so much money, having enough highly skilled programmers, the MSEC breaks off permanently. Even it is insulting for them. By the way not only under  KDEVELOP works, on Windows too and even with CLANG th....

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, Andrew. W Worobow, you wrote: AWW> Ur companions! AWW> I Admit that under , and not only under , but also even under Windows (for cmake projects), I sit in IDE kdevelop, https://www.kdevelop.org/AWW> IDE excellent, fast, simple, with navigation on the code, by possibilities in this area even exceed MC studio. NetBeans 8.2 C/Cs ++ did not try? https://netbeans.org/downloads/Only edit netbeans/etc/netbeans.conf: netbeans_default_options = "-J-client-J-Xss32m-J-Xms2048m-J-Xmx2048m-J-Dsun.java2d.noddraw=true-J-Dsun.java2d.dpiaware=true-J-Dsun.zip.disableMemoryMapping=true-J-Dplugin.manager.check.updates=false-J-XX:-TieredCompilation" netbeans_jdkhome = "/path/to/openjdk8" - for normal start and comfortable operation.

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, Andrew. W Worobow, you wrote: After VS any IDE the best. Well except NetBins

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, iZEN, you wrote: Again ! No, only not IDE on .

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, Andrew. W Worobow, you wrote: AWW> Again ! No, only not IDE on . Why?

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, Andrew. W Worobow, you wrote: AWW> Ur companions! AWW> I Admit that under , and not only under , but also even under Windows (for cmake projects), I sit in IDE kdevelop, https://www.kdevelop.org/And now tell that it for the project over which you in described IDE work, how many to you for it pay, and how many efforts it is necessary to spend to the normal programmer to get over on here such project, from the enterprise on C# or Java.

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, Glory, you wrote: And now tell that it for the project over which you in described IDE work, how many to you for it pay, and how many efforts it is necessary to spend to the normal programmer to get over on here such project, from the enterprise on C# or Java. I suspect, what you ask questions, considering their itself is exceptional as rhetorical for what for me to tell, "that for the project?" And especially "how many to me for it pay?". But descriptively it is the project () - in the field of system programming, all entirely, on / ++,  in the field of networks. Real pennies pay for them but what here to do... I Think what to get over with C# or Java it will be problematic. But focus that that kdevelop it IDE written on With ++ and for With ++. And if it is used cmake where is easier. Than still KDEVELOP it is good, it that that to it projects from hundreds thousand code lines, in difference from the same something eklipso-like are not terrible.

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

AWW> Than still KDEVELOP it is good, it that that to it projects from hundreds thousand code lines, in difference from the same something eklipso-like are not terrible. And that, for a C ++ yet did not invent "package manager"

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, takTak, you wrote: AWW>> Than still KDEVELOP it is good, it that that to it projects from hundreds thousand code lines, in difference from the same something eklipso-like are not terrible. T> and what, for a C ++ yet did not invent "package manager" And what such "Package manager"? It is type "com.java.bla-bla-bla.jar", scattered on all ? Or something another? And than it can help?  the Studio too does not have problems with projects in hundreds  lines.

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

AWW>>> Than still KDEVELOP it is good, it that that to it projects from hundreds thousand code lines, in difference from the same something eklipso-like are not terrible. T>> and what, for a C ++ yet did not invent "package manager" SVZ> And what such "Package manager"? It is type "com.java.bla-bla-bla.jar", scattered on all ? Or something another? SVZ> and than it can help? SVZ> Sobsno at Studio too is not present problems with projects in hundreds  lines. Sense in "divide and dominate", of course, well and in usage only that is important if all  thousand code lines are written for the unique project and someone would like, that all it was loaded on time  it is very bad design of system

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, takTak, you wrote: AWW>> Than still KDEVELOP it is good, it that that to it projects from hundreds thousand code lines, in difference from the same something eklipso-like are not terrible. T> and that, for a C ++ yet did not invent "package manager" http://pkgconf.org/

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, takTak, you wrote: T> sense in "divide and dominate", of course, well and in usage only that is important T> if all  thousand code lines are written for the unique project and someone would like, that all it was loaded on time  it is very bad design of system Well in general the code written not abstractly for emergency, and under the specific project.  yes, it will be used there. About "that all it was loaded on time" about what there is a speech? About Design time, compile-time or about run-time? If in the first, in what a problem with loading? Visual Assist successfully copes 40 source codes even on  2010 of release. If about the second there is a splitting on , without everyones package manager'. If about run-time'e, that is .so/.dll if it would be desirable the postponed loading. I.e. again did without package manager'. . Looked at the project - 2  and 18 static linguistic data bases. 1806 files (*.h and *.cpp), 26 (how many there code lines -  if roughly to consider, thousand 250, can more). Together with indirect  3763 files - 40 turn out. In Studio generally any problems. Small jambs, , are, but they are not connected to the sizes of the project in any way.

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

T>> sense in "divide and dominate", of course, well and in usage only that is important T>> if all  thousand code lines are written for the unique project and someone would like, that all it was loaded on time  it is very bad design of system SVZ> Well in general the code written not abstractly for emergency, and under the specific project.  yes, it will be used there. SVZ> about "that all it was loaded on time" about what there is a speech? About Design time, compile-time or about run-time? SVZ> If in the first, in what a problem with loading? Visual Assist successfully copes 40 source codes even on  2010 of release. SVZ> if about the second there is a splitting on , without everyones package manager'. SVZ> If about run-time'e, that is .so/.dll if it would be desirable the postponed loading. I.e. again did without package manager'. SVZ> . Looked at the project - 2  and 18 static linguistic data bases. 1806 files (*.h and *.cpp), 26 (how many there code lines -  if roughly to consider, thousand 250, can more). Together with indirect  3763 files - 40 turn out. In Studio generally any problems. Small jambs, , are, but they are not connected to the sizes of the project in any way. I meant "design time" as the author of the initial message about it for some reason decided to speak figs it knows, how there on  and  now, but on 2015 oh   happen from time to time short-term hang if to open studio simultaneously 5 or 6 times, and still together with any  though like anybody would not die of it yet that before that is not necessary package manager: not clearly, in what advantage of that it is necessary to drag with itself all these libraries when them it is possible once and to suppose for ever in any repository, whence it is possible to pull out them through the same http (s)

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

AWW> IDE excellent, fast, simple, with navigation on the code, by possibilities in this area even exceeds MC studio. Well here I was moved on this advertizing and decided to look on specified . Downloaded c https://www.kdevelop.org/download. Also what I saw? 1. In  boundaries  At me are badly visible to the color scheme like there are no problems with sight, but between the main window and the console of the assembly I saw a separator far not at once. The Color scheme can be replaced, of course, but  it is saved. 2. In an observer of the project of an icon are simply awful. And it is not clear, how them to change. In Settings-> Configure KDevelop I find nothing. 3. Any normal modern editor supports type size change through ctrl+wheel. However I see for the first time, that the type size was remembered separately for each open file, and at switching on other file was dropped in a default. I can not even present, what motivation of people which implemented this, h'm, "feature" was. The tick which disconnects it can eat somewhere? 4. At me the cmake-project. At its discovery it is necessary to specify a project directory then in the project file list (a window rjects) all files from a directory dangle generally. What for it? After all there on idea there should be only those files which are enumerated in CMakeLists.txt. And if hunting to see generally all files so there is a special window of review of file system. 5. I do not find how to specify the compiler. In Configure-> Language Support-> ++ Compilers I it added a C/C but how to specify, that it was used at the assembly? Sketchy  did not help, I am deep yet did not dig. 6. Whether build configurations are supported? If yes, whether that  they from a CMake-file? To unwinding I did not understand, but deeply to dig while there is no time. So the Mb here all  with , and Mb also is not present. The abstract - the interface completely not intuitively clear, places . The enumerated problems - that was evident in the first 10 minutes. Meet on , and  brought. The MB at this IDE is internal advantages, I will look still at houses.

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

The pancake, my message is an answer , instead of Glory. Crookedly sent the message.

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> And what such "Package manager"? It is type "com.java.bla-bla-bla.jar", scattered on all ? Or something another? For me package manager is when I swung a source code, the beginnings it to collect, and instead of two-day sex about that something there.h not found and seven thousand fatal error <type_name> undefined, , sweeps, and redeflations it wrote ejections to me "downloading package AzureAD.Auth", downloaded, delivered, and the project gathered. Thus, clear business, remaining projects did not move down anywhere - i.e. nobody became  in  Include.

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Re: MS with the "the best IDE", for the first time in a role catching up!...

Hello, Sinclair, you wrote: SVZ>> And what such "Package manager"? It is type "com.java.bla-bla-bla.jar", scattered on all ? Or something another? S> for me package manager is when I swung a source code, the beginnings it to collect, and instead of two-day sex about that something there.h not found and seven thousand fatal error <type_name> undefined, , sweeps, and redeflations it wrote ejections to me "downloading package AzureAD.Auth", downloaded, delivered, and the project gathered. Thus, clear business, remaining projects did not move down anywhere - i.e. nobody became  in  Include. Well an idea remarkable. But it concerns indirect linguistic data bases. It is strange that generally packagemanager floated in this subject (considered productivity of Studio). But if a repository public, that is a problem: a step to the left-to the right and you it is necessary most to dance with a tambourine. Type to collect , but without RTTI. And if a repository own, this same, as local  with ready .