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Hello, Evgenie Muzychenko, you wrote: I eat> Yes, a sentence to deliver studio for analysis  are five. It at many at a forum and so costs.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: I eat>> the Trouble that they almost all curves, including native from MS. Ops> And they unless not from the same ?  gives source codes for switching-on in the distribution kit, and further them can already correct/finish according to standards MS.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: I eat>> Yes, a sentence to deliver studio for analysis  are five. Ops> it at many at a forum and so costs. Far not at all. And at me here costs VS 2008 is "studio"? If yes - as in it to assort ?

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Hello, Evgenie Muzychenko, you wrote: I eat> Vendor gives source codes for switching-on in the distribution kit, and further them can already correct/finish according to standards MS. Well here at me (a little other case, ) it is written that the supplier of the driver - AMD. And I doubt that MS there something compiled, instead of took ready.

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Hello, Evgenie Muzychenko, you wrote: I eat> Yes, a sentence to deliver studio for analysis  are five. Is called "itself invented, itself took offense"

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Hello, Evgenie Muzychenko, you wrote: I eat> Far not at all. But at many, and it is not required to put anything it. I eat> And at me here costs VS 2008 is "studio"? If yes - as in it to assort ? , for a long time it did not see. So and BC3.1 at someone can stand.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> I Can be mistaken, but in my opinion problems began after reinstallation , in the old put too much any system stuff and decided to reinstall all. Before reinstallation I will not remember dark blue screens, in such amount it was not exact. . Clearly. I.e. to look at broad gulls at a subject "when" / "after setting of that" problems began, it does not turn out. vsb> today there were new drivers nvidia, updated, we look. As a variant to seek on the contrary, old enough version of drivers on which the system worked normally.

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Hello, Evgenie Muzychenko, you wrote: I eat> When MS organized Windows Logo Program - declared that the drivers breaking these restrictions, do not receive the certificate. But changed nothing - I do not know, as well as that they there measured, but it is a lot of such curve drivers and to this day, and all of them are certificated. So the curvature level should be defined not upon violation of restrictions, and on that, how much impudently and often it happens. So that is obvious. The formal restrictions are exposed not for gentlemen, and any rascals. And here the responsible and effective manager  large corporation could walk smack in the auxiliary conflict.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> I doubt that MS there something compiled, instead of took ready. Even if they do not alter the driver, they are obliged it to test according to the requirements. But, as I already underlined, they even to the drivers do not provide correspondence to these requirements. So all these programs of certification and test systems, of course, reveal the most typical errors, but complexity of testing grows is absolutely disproportionate to its efficiency.

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Hello, Evgenie Muzychenko, you wrote: I eat> Even if they do not alter the driver, they are obliged it to test according to the requirements. But, as I already underlined, they even to the drivers do not provide correspondence to these requirements. So all these programs of certification and test systems, of course, reveal the most typical errors, but complexity of testing grows is absolutely disproportionate to its efficiency. So they should test it not only when deliver, but also when for  sign. So hardly they something differ.

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Hello, ShaggyOwl, you wrote: SO> So that is obvious. SO> the formal restrictions are exposed not for gentlemen, and any rascals. And here the responsible and effective manager  large corporation could walk smack in the auxiliary conflict. Not absolutely. Simply companies only 2, well, with great reserve, 3. And if though one , already users start to revolt.  - it such.

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Hello, SomeOne_TT, you wrote: vsb>> the Only thing that noted - normally in the browser plays at this time type video . The image on the screen stiffens, starts to be lost the last fractions of a second of a sound (that is hum or a rattling). SO _> At you the swap file is included? Yes, the swap file never anywhere I do not disconnect. On - it it is unnecessary and even it is harmful. A heap of applications touch storage somewhere on start and then forget about it. With swapping it leaves on a disk and releases physical storage under more useful data, at least under disk . Without swapping it is the lost storage. Any problems from the swap file did not watch. Yes generally with system did nothing, the most non-standard that I do, it I include Hyper-V.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> So they should test it not only when deliver, but also when for  sign. The minimum signature (attestation signing) does not assume testing, it only certifies that MS knows . Testing is mandatory only for server platforms.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> the swap file never anywhere I do not disconnect. On - it it is unnecessary and even it is harmful. By routine operation the swap file rarely creates problems. But at handling usage in real time (a sound or other stream data) the Windows can be engaged in swapping even in the presence of a considerable quantity of the free storage. This problem is known from time immemorial, and MS whether does not want, whether cannot understand with it so one of the first recommendations for systems, critical up the time of response - to disconnect swapping, or at least to translate it to certainly fast device of type SSD. By the way, on video streams non-uniformity is felt almost 10 times less, than on sound, therefore it is possible not to feel as years problems (even in games with high FPS) in systems which not in a state to support sound flows with short (units-tens of milliseconds) buffering.

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Similar because of Hyper-V. Disconnected it through bcdedit, the last three days did not fall. It is sad, if so, it to me happens is rather useful.

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Hello, Evgenie Muzychenko, you wrote: I eat> the Minimum signature (attestation signing) does not assume testing, it only certifies that MS knows . I eat> Testing mandatory only for server platforms. I apologize, what not in a subject... Like it is not mandatory till now. At least, I saw WinServer 2016 (1607-14393) with included Secure Boot where attestation-drivers were normally launched and worked. And at me it is local under Hyper-V too this configuration works (a MSDN-image, 14393.0.161119-1705.RS1). Into account Server ' 1709 I do not know, I to deliver it a smog not yet

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> the Only thing that noted - normally in the browser plays at this time type video . The image on the screen stiffens, starts to be lost the last fractions of a second of a sound (that is hum or a rattling). Occasionally this state in some seconds quits, but is not present more often. Through pair minutes there is a dark blue screen with an inscription about watchdog. How it is possible to understand, what happens? Tried to reinstall  with different dial-ups of drivers, tried to put generally nothing that it downloaded itself, tried all to put from a site of the vendor, the difference is not present. Can  what equipment, but not sort out everything as this screen still to wait is not present, a simple method to cause it I did not find. Falling on watchdog dpc means, if I correctly understand that any driver did not quit handling of interruption and the system about it committed suicide. If there is no desire to put windbg, throw somewhere a file  (c:\windows\minidump \<something with the necessary date> or C:\windows\memory.dmp) - I will throw off decryption. Not the fact that helps (with that plan that if dies  that here you will make program), but sometimes it is possible to reveal the problem driver and to isolate it. About Hyper-v - all certainly is possible, but somehow it is improbable that the reason in it.