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Topic: Universe rotation

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> http://www.membrana.ru/particle/16397 Thought, the Diaphragm revived, and there is a link already for 2011.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> M> During the initial moment, at a Big Bang, the Universe already rotated, and this driving, apparently, left a print in space watched nowadays. Such is an output of the research published recently. M> concerning what the Universe rotates? I think that concerning the center of masses.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Concerning what the Universe rotates? Concerning the earth. Also try to prove the reverse.

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Hello, Alexander Kuznetsov, you wrote: > I Think that concerning the center of masses. So it does not have center of masses.

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Hello, zverjuga, you wrote: M>> Concerning what the Universe rotates? Z> concerning the earth. Also try to prove the reverse. Prove the initial statement, instead of reverse.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Concerning what the Universe rotates? Concerning inertial frames of reference.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> M> During the initial moment, at a Big Bang, the Universe already rotated, and this driving, apparently, left a print in space watched nowadays. Such is an output of the research published recently. M> http://www.membrana.ru/particle/16397 Became interested in a question, looked at links. Original article: https://arxiv.org/abs/1104.2815. This research , the error source is found in the data: https://arxiv.org/abs/1610.07060. On the modern representations, no rotation is present: https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.07178

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Hello, ineaugh, you wrote: I> Became interested in a question, looked at links. Original article: https://arxiv.org/abs/1104.2815. This research , the error source is found in the data: https://arxiv.org/abs/1610.07060. On the modern representations, no rotation is present: https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.07178 It contradicts a logical induction. All systems, both the elementary particles, and metagalaxies rotate, why the Universe can be an exception?

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: >> I Think that concerning the center of masses. N> so it does not have center of masses. And from what it follows? The central point can be discovered at any, even the distributed group of objects. As the most simple example from astronomy, Pluton and Haron rotate round the general center of masses,  outside of a surface of Plutona.

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Hello, Alexander Kuznetsov, you wrote: > And from what it follows? The central point can be discovered at any, even the distributed group of objects. As the most simple example from astronomy, Pluton and Haron rotate round the general center of masses,  outside of a surface of Plutona. The Universe not the plane. Well, give for an example we consider the one-dimensional Universe, topologically equivalent circles. Further we allocate on it uniformly points. Well, through each circular degree. And now find to me center (which it is allocated that on the circle)? Yes even at normal   the center is not present infinite.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> It contradicts a logical induction. All systems, both the elementary particles, and metagalaxies rotate, why the Universe can be an exception? They rotate where? In space. The Universe is a space and is. Concerning what the space should rotate?

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> It contradicts a logical induction. All systems, both the elementary particles, and metagalaxies rotate, why the Universe can be an exception? And how it to define? That the Earth rotates about the axis, the Sun and center of the Milky Way we can define, watching of celestial bodies. But if to present that we do not have reference points, we do not understand that our planet rotates. How to understand, whether the Universe rotates?

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Hello, Alexander Kuznetsov, you wrote: > And from what it follows? The central point can be discovered at any, even the distributed group of objects. As the most simple example from astronomy, Pluton and Haron rotate round the general center of masses,  outside of a surface of Plutona. I so suspect, what you think, what the Universe has an edge?

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Hello, Andrey Ushakov, you wrote: > Hello, Alexander Kuznetsov, you wrote: >> And from what it follows? The central point can be discovered at any, even the distributed group of objects. As the most simple example from astronomy, Pluton and Haron rotate round the general center of masses,  outside of a surface of Plutona. > the Universe not the plane. Well, give for an example we consider the one-dimensional Universe, topologically equivalent circles. Further we allocate on it uniformly points. Well, through each circular degree. And now find to me center (which it is allocated that on the circle)? Yes even at normal   the center is not present infinite. It is not assured that rotation operation is applicable to one-dimensional space, but idea understood. , we take a sheet of paper. It has the center of masses coinciding with sheet and round this center it will rotate. Here all is obvious. Now we rumple sheet. The center of masses of object can as to coincide with sheet, and is not present. Anyway, the object concerning center of masses will rotate, let even its center of masses will be outside of "two-dimensional space". I.e., if you changed a statement of the problem, entering additional measurement for swerving of the one-dimensional Universe into a plane circle the space at us there and then became two-dimensional, let even one-dimensional "we" do not guess it. And that the center of masses of system becomes out of our perception, possibility of its presence and rotation round it is not cancelled. About the infinite Euclidean space I did not understand. On how many I remember, the Universe is restricted by time which has transited from the moment of the big explosion.

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Hello, Alexander Kuznetsov, you wrote: > About the infinite Euclidean space I did not understand. On how many I remember, the Universe is restricted by time which has transited from the moment of the big explosion. But during too time in the Universe there is no that center in which initially there was a Big Bang. Because the extending Universe is not scattering substance in space, and the extending space filled with substance. And for this reason there can not be a center of rotation outside of the Universe because there there is no space.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Concerning what the Universe rotates? Most likely concerning itself at some instant later. I.e. if to take tangents to world lines on any considerable distance (how many years) and to combine in one point, to translate one in others it is possible something of type  + .

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Hello, Alexander Kuznetsov, you wrote: > Ok, we take a sheet of paper. It has the center of masses coinciding with sheet and round this center it will rotate. Here all is obvious. And now we take the infinite sheet of paper. Where its center of masses? > About the infinite Euclidean space I did not understand. On how many I remember, the Universe is restricted by time which has transited from the moment of the big explosion. This time restricts a slice which we can see - light whence had time to reach. But it easily can be a finite slice of the infinite Universe which from the very beginning was infinite. Otherwise it is necessary to explain somehow how us it managed to appear at the center.

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Hello, D. Mon, you wrote: DM> This time restricts a slice which we can see - light whence had time to reach. But it easily can be a finite slice of the infinite Universe which from the very beginning was infinite. Otherwise it is necessary to explain somehow how us it managed to appear at the center. But mass Vseleennoj estimate in 6*1051 kg.  it it is finite.

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Hello, Trotsky, you wrote: But mass Vseleennoj estimate in 6*1051 kg.  it it is finite. ** the Universe. In all such estimations speech always about the observable Universe, about that piece that we see.

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Hello, D. Mon, you wrote:> But mass Vseleennoj estimate in 6*1051 kg.  it it is finite. DM> ** the Universe. In all such estimations speech always about the observable Universe, about that piece that we see. And extreme, what we see, this relic radiation? It that replaces hypothetically white background with the infinite brightness if the Universe was infinite and would not be space extensions.

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Hello, Trotsky, you wrote: And extreme, what we see, this relic radiation? It that replaces hypothetically white background with the infinite brightness if the Universe was infinite and would not be  spaces. Aha. The further we look, the there was light, that further to the past longer. Accordingly, further some threshold we see the period when no stars yet existing - the first some tens millions years. And further away - CMB, yes. Light radiated when the Universe became enough transparent. Further already to make out nothing, there it was opaque, as in the sun.

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Hello, AleksandrN, you wrote: AN> Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M>> It contradicts a logical induction. All systems, both the elementary particles, and metagalaxies rotate, why the Universe can be an exception? AN> and how it to define? That the Earth rotates about the axis, the Sun and center of the Milky Way we can define, watching of celestial bodies. But if to present that we do not have reference points, we do not understand that our planet rotates. How to understand, whether the Universe rotates? On presence of force of Coriolis

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Hello, D. Mon, you wrote: DM> Aha. The further we look, the there was light, that further to the past longer. Accordingly, further some threshold we see the period when no stars yet existing - the first some tens millions years. And further away - CMB, yes. Light radiated when the Universe became enough transparent. Further already to make out nothing, there it was opaque, as in the sun. What is ?

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Hello, Sinclair, you wrote: AN>> And how it to define? That the Earth rotates about the axis, the Sun and center of the Milky Way we can define, watching of celestial bodies. But if to present that we do not have reference points, we do not understand that our planet rotates. How to understand, whether the Universe rotates? S> on presence of force of Coriolis And as there is no solid hindrance to space bodies their paths should it follow...