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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> you should awake to say in hearing (and you write down on a dictophone), say, the following text: "I voluntary renounce the soul and I transfer it to you for the specified total". Registers three doubles. BFE> well as? Agree? Normally in the beginning contracts register concepts. How you describe concept of "shower"? Generally, know that not so is pleasant to me in the Bible? There there is no accurate doctrine about an immortal extracorporal substance. The bible learns to revival from dead, to corporal revival. As a matter of fact it is materialism... And the soul in the Bible is life. I.e. to subscribe that you give soul - is equivalent to agree that kill you.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: M>> It is possible a signal sleep a tax. Awakening on the timer - slept, or on interruption - the wife/alarm clock awakes S> And what? And here a pain? Well, and and here a pain? I wrote what to fall asleep/lose consciousness it is possible from the different reasons. It after all you resulted a dream as an example of loss of consciousness not from a pain, and now me ask: "and here a pain?" M>> consciousness Loss thus that  faint sometimes from severe pain S> Consciousness lose from set of the reasons. Why you solved that to the circuit "became sick" from overheating, instead of she fell asleep from a warm high. I decided that to the circuit became sick", because so the vendor  wrote to it. When the signal which is responsible for the vital parameter of operation of the circuit, reaches critical value, the circuit is cut down. And before - to it it is simply sick, but it still works, and tries to draw aside pens from fire to regulate operation parameters. And if it was not chopped off, would die with the ends from overheating. S> know as happens - the person will be warmed and falls asleep. The controler too can be warmed and fall asleep, when exterior interruptions are not present, threshes there to itself something on timer interruption, dreams any looks, well, sometimes pinches pulls. Directly as the little man in the sleep S>>> to Give you soporific - you are disconnected. Since roughly speaking work sensors. Also what? Where a pain? To you painfully to drink soporific? M>> so the controler in sleep can not only be tired out a mode overheating, it is possible signal such submit. For example, from chemical analyzer S> you while could simulate only a dream, but in any way a pain. Any attempts to drag in that that the pain is equivalent to a dream - are not justified. The pain is not equivalent to a dream. I gave an example, when the controler from a reading off scale pain fainted not to die. When a pain not such strong, it simply regulates parameters of the operation to reduce this pain. S>>> you simply try to cause similar association that what that the effect caused similar consequences. But actually association only in your head. M>> and you it is simple  toil, and that at you in a head, even I am afraid to present S> While I direct your thinking, instead of you mine. While you are engaged in demagogy

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: BFE>> you should awake to say in hearing (and you write down on a dictophone), say, the following text: "I voluntary renounce the soul and I transfer it to you for the specified total". Registers three doubles. BFE>> well as? Agree? S> it is normal in the beginning contracts register concepts. How you describe concept of "shower"? In any way. Formally money is translated for phrase pronouncing. S> and the soul in the Bible is life. I.e. to subscribe that you give soul - is equivalent to agree that kill you. Well, if want, in the contract registers that nobody attempts upon your life that you will live as well as lived that it is not meant soul transmission in any way any harm of life both . Etc. and ..

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> I decided that to the circuit became sick", because so the vendor  wrote to it. And whence the circuit learns, what to it is sick? She does not read that there the vendor to herself . M> When the signal which is responsible for the vital parameter of operation of the circuit, reaches critical value, the circuit is cut down. And before - to it it is simply sick, but it still works, and tries to draw aside pens from fire to regulate operation parameters. And if it was not chopped off, would die with the ends from overheating. In this circuit is . But what happens to it? In what the sensation of a pain expresses BEFORE the circuit was chopped off? Here at the moment of hypnosis - the person is chopped off. Why? There is an information overload, the hypnotist . But the pain is not present. Yes, you gave an example a system dream. But not the pain example is anything the general has no. Give an example pains, the dream is not necessary. M> the Controller too can be warmed and fall asleep, when exterior interruptions are not present, threshes there to itself something on timer interruption, dreams any looks, well, sometimes pinches pulls. Directly as the little man in the sleep We speak about a pain, what for you generally a dream ? With a dream of a problem is not present - there all clearly. M> the pain is not equivalent to a dream. I gave an example, when the controler from a reading off scale pain fainted not to die. When a pain not such strong, it simply regulates parameters of the operation to reduce this pain. No, you did not result a pain. To regulate parameters it is possible and without a pain, to you it is not sick, when you sweat? Neither the dream nor regulation of parameters - IN ANY WAY do not approach you to understanding  a pain.

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE>>> Well as? Agree? S>> it is normal in the beginning contracts register concepts. How you describe concept of "shower"? BFE> In any way. Formally money is translated for phrase pronouncing. There was a case that the guy on e-bay sold the soul by auction. To mine $200 to it paid, i.e. it is not a lot of. Generally phrase pronouncing is simple - to what does not oblige, you can simply deceive or then change the mind. But if people in solid - I do not risk Suddenly they something know and after death I will become their slave?

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: M>> I decided that to the circuit became sick", because so the vendor  wrote to it. S> and whence the circuit learns, what to it is sick? She does not read that there the vendor to herself . It in it is sewn genetically up by vendor M>> When a signal which is responsible for the vital parameter of operation of the circuit, reaches critical value, the circuit is cut down. And before - to it it is simply sick, but it still works, and tries to draw aside pens from fire to regulate operation parameters. And if it was not chopped off, would die with the ends from overheating. S> in this circuit is . But what happens to it? In what the sensation of a pain expresses BEFORE the circuit was chopped off? Expresses in reduction of flowing current S> Here at the moment of hypnosis - the person is chopped off. Why? There is an information overload,  . But the pain is not present. Hypnosis is one more charlatanism, . Pains are not present, yes. But if hypnosis is an information overload I start to represent myself the controler which messyly pull all  successively. By itself, the controlling program goes mad and can , anything you like, while on watchdog' does not reboot S> Yes, you gave an example a system dream. But not the pain example is anything the general has no. It is not necessary me . About a dream is you started to rub. A dream or consciousness loss - different sleep the modes caused by different signals on different . The pain is an analog signal on  signallings of damage of system S> Give an example pains, the dream is not necessary. Look above M>> the Controller too can be warmed and fall asleep, when exterior interruptions are not present, threshes there to itself something on timer interruption, dreams any looks, well, sometimes pinches pulls. Directly as the little man in the sleep S> We speak about a pain, what for you generally a dream ? With a dream of a problem is not present - there all clearly. A dream you . Well, and by the way, what there to you with a dream clearly, do not share? And that remaining mankind yet does not understand M>> the Pain is equivalent to a dream. I gave an example, when the controler from a reading off scale pain fainted not to die. When a pain not such strong, it simply regulates parameters of the operation to reduce this pain. S> is not present, you did not result a pain. To regulate parameters it is possible and without a pain, to you it is not sick, when you sweat? The pain is a critical parameter when all went at all so. Body temperature which causes  is a working parameter of system. S> neither the dream nor regulation of parameters - IN ANY WAY do not approach you to understanding  a pain. Do not approach. Because  is a term which was entered by idlers when there were no microcontrollers and the automatic control theory has not been developed, and to these idlers and generally is unfamiliar (however, as well as now)

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: S>> And whence the circuit learns, what to it is sick? She does not read that there the vendor to herself . M> It in it is sewn genetically up by the vendor In what was specific it expresses? S>> in this circuit is . But what happens to it? In what the sensation of a pain expresses BEFORE the circuit was chopped off? M> Expresses in reduction of a flowing current I.e. if the circuit started to consume less current - to it it became sick? M> hypnosis is one more charlatanism, . M> Pains are not present, yes. But if hypnosis is an information overload I start to represent myself the controler which messyly pull all  successively. By itself, the controlling program goes mad and can , anything you like, while on watchdog' It does not reboot to that that an overload and switch-off - is not equivalent to a pain. S>> yes, you gave an example a system dream. But not the pain example is anything the general has no. M> it is not necessary me . About a dream is you started to rub. A dream or consciousness loss - different sleep the modes caused by different signals on different . But it is not equivalent in any way to a pain. M> the pain is an analog signal on  signallings of damage of system Generally that a pain is not a signal. It is activity of a neural network. Which activity happens at signal submission on given ?  about a dream start to rub? S>> give an example pains, the dream is not necessary. M> look above And what above? Current reduction - consider it it is equivalent to a pain? M> a dream you . Well, and by the way, what there to you with a dream clearly, do not share? And that remaining mankind yet does not understand Is not present,  you in a type  systems. Certain parts of a brain are disconnected or decelerate operation - the signal does not get to soul. Here to you and a dream. M> the pain is a critical parameter when all went at all so. What means "at all so"? And if a little bit not so? Than you will do, if at all so, but the circuit still continues to work, does not fall asleep? M> body temperature which causes  is a working parameter of system. And at a pain - what parameters you will change? S>> neither the dream nor regulation of parameters - IN ANY WAY do not approach you to understanding  a pain. M> do not approach. Because  is a term which was entered by idlers when there were no microcontrollers and the automatic control theory has not been developed, and to these idlers and generally is unfamiliar (however, as well as now) And and here regulation to a pain? We gave an example regulation -  at rise in temperature. And where here a pain?

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>>> And whence the circuit learns, what to it is sick? She does not read that there the vendor to herself . M>> It in it is sewn genetically up by vendor S> In what was specific it expresses? In what was specific your question expresses? S>>> in this circuit is . But what happens to it? In what the sensation of a pain expresses BEFORE the circuit was chopped off? M>> Expresses in reduction of flowing current S> I.e. if the circuit started to consume less current - to it it became sick? Depends on the hardwired logic. Normally - the more, the more painfully. The finger over a match still can be taken and even to withstand a local burn, and a hand in a fire already to burn Hypnosis does not turn out independently M>> is one more charlatanism, . M>> Pains are not present, yes. But if hypnosis is an information overload I start to represent myself the controler which messyly pull all  successively. By itself, the controlling program goes mad and can , anything you like, while on watchdog' It does not reboot S> to that that an overload and switch-off - is not equivalent to a pain. I somewhere spoke about equivalence? You to understand the read are able? S>>> yes, you gave an example a system dream. But not the pain example is anything the general has no. The Dream/wakefulness are states. The pain, a high are exterior signals, on arriving on ADC  M>> it is not necessary me . About a dream is you started to rub. A dream or consciousness loss - different sleep the modes caused by different signals on different . S> But it is not equivalent in any way to a pain. And warm it is not equivalent pink M>> the Pain is an analog signal on  signallings of damage of system S> Generally that a pain is not a signal. It is activity of a neural network. Generally categorical statements should be justified somehow S> Which activity happens at signal submission on given ?  about a dream start to rub? S>>> Give an example pains, the dream is not necessary. M>> look above S> And what above? Current reduction - consider it it is equivalent to a pain? Looking that for the circuit. Normally - the more the current, the is more pain. At  as. M>> the Dream you . Well, and by the way, what there to you with a dream clearly, do not share? And that remaining mankind yet does not understand S> Is not present,  you in a type  systems. Certain parts of a brain are disconnected or decelerate operation - the signal does not get to soul. Here to you and a dream. It you started to compare loss of consciousness to a dream, then  here a pain, and started to ask: the pain is a dream? M>> the pain is a critical parameter when all went at all so. S> That means "at all so"? And if a little bit not so? Than you will do, if at all so, but the circuit still continues to work, does not fall asleep? If a little bit not so it is necessary to correct a little bit that on  pains arrived M>> Body temperature which causes  less is a working parameter of system. S> and at a pain - what parameters you will change? To avoid by all means. To pull manipulators, whenever possible optimally, upon - as it turns out. For this purpose there is trained neural network S>>> Neither the dream nor regulation of parameters - IN ANY WAY do not approach you to understanding  a pain. M>> do not approach. Because  is a term which was entered by idlers when there were no microcontrollers and the automatic control theory has not been developed, and to these idlers and generally is unfamiliar (however, as well as now) S> And and here regulation to a pain? We gave an example regulation -  at rise in temperature. And where here a pain? Thus that it simply one more channel of obtaining of the information Came you from a frost,  a bum in a basin with warm water - warmed, observable parameters came to correspondence with sewn up with the vendor. Flopped in a basin with boiled water - second-other all went norms, then sensors informed that an ass in boiled water that else and  will be second in  - you jumped and run, as scalded

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Hello, T4r4sB, you wrote: 0>> That the mankind is is specific cannot to make, yet does not solve a question ? TB> cannot formulate some basic difference itself from a small group moving on  to algorithm of particles. It is possible to get rid of it, to tell "differences is not present, all seems", and it too will be irrefutable (formally) a position. Those who does not throw out here gather. , not? Read, in  a worm rain stitched

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> Well as? Agree? It agree. Where for  to come?

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> With the same success it is possible to consider a question: "How many devils can goes in on a needle tip?" A good question. What will our forum philosopher tells?

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: I am afraid of you to afflict, but you communicate with the big share of probability with sick of a paranoid schizophrenia, anyway verbal demonstration corresponds on 100 %

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Hello, antropolog, you wrote: A> I hasten to afflict you, but you communicate with the big share of probability with sick of a paranoid schizophrenia, anyway verbal demonstration corresponds on 100 % of Thanks for care, but you did not afflict me I put at for a collar of liter four , and it simply entertains me  And do not speak: "I hasten to afflict you, but...". Speak: "I want you to afflict, but...", or, it is even better: "I am afraid of you to afflict, but..." In your statement the impression is added that you that wanted me to afflict, and that you wanted to uncover to me eyes on a certain phenomenon is leaves on the second plan

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M>  Also do not speak: "I hasten to afflict you, but...". Speak: "I want you to afflict, but...", or, it is even better: "I am afraid of you to afflict, but..." M> In your statement the impression is added that you that wanted me to afflict, and that you wanted to uncover to me eyes on a certain phenomenon is I leave on the second plan did not want and was not afraid, namely hastened, but you are right, corrected))

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Spring peaking...... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> Nejroseti, not?  it simply one more algorithm of driving of particles. M> read, in  a worm rain stitched Aha, there two lines of the code without  it is possible to achieve the same behavior.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And what for painful center such? Describe an essence of its operation. Only what it forces  to be reduced? But after all  hands at a pain is not result of operation of painful center - this response happens level more low - the brain will not be involved. About, classical stupid "questions" in style "began and you prove what not the Allah". S> If the problem was only in abbreviation  - that to anchor the person to a chair easier. Any  it is not necessary. And  yes, well fixed patient does not need a narcosis. S> the person why that DOES NOT WANT to feel a pain. The person more many that does not want, and what? All these  are directed on maximization of one parameters and minimization of others, depending on coefficients which on these parameters at it in  to a matrix were assigned in development. And is such  which just want to feel a pain. Simply at them when that either tracks short-circuited or coefficients turned out negative. S> spirituality - at the most painful center. S> you consider it as a black box and you do not have at all a question that means to feel a pain. As the painful center works how to create the mechanism, capable to feel a pain. As soon as you try to draw the circuit of such mechanism - and understand a problem. !... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, 0x7be, you wrote: Moreover, it should be behavior which  to behavior of the observer. If it behaves as that differently that at the observer simply there is no association with its own behavior and the observer does not think that to object painfully.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> It is solvable if to understand the device of painful center. That that seems to me that for a long time already all is disassembled also any magic there is not present, banal hardwiring in the course of evolution which the survival rate of a type increases. S> 1. A faith in afterlife. If there will be no this faith - religions will be not necessary. Churches and so forth will be not necessary - and there billions leave. Afterlife is not present. Church it . S> 2. To resolve  for all comers. What in it of bad? Many people who could not implement itself - with honor this world is abandoned. And nobody tells that they burn in a hell since if there is no immortal soul - there is no also a hell. There questions  are twisted, the same church. + banal  it is banal it is unprofitable for a society. S> 3. To resolve slavery in all its displays. After all if sufferings of another only information handling - that that in it of bad?  what at you with a cuckoo of a problem! S> 4. To allow to kill all incapacitated incurably sick, especially mentally the sick. What for them to feed? The psychology hinders. S> 5. To resolve the death penalty. After all it cancelled because of religion, as a matter of fact. It cancelled more because there is a probability of a miscarriage of justice which at the death penalty it is impossible though as that to correct. S> and as ability is connected to a question  to build the game instead of to operate on algorithm. ?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> the total is approximately equal to three your monthly salaries And  so cheaply that?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Hello, 0x7be, you wrote: 0>> the Pancake, like I not the silly person, but I can not seize an essence of a problem with it  in any way. 0>> Can at me is not present ? 0>> I Will imitate... S> Probably there are people without soul and you one of them. You do anesthesia at the stomatologist at ? On idea it is not necessary for you, as for you so-called "pain" - only the information on that that with a tooth nerve is produced by manipulations, after all this information is not new to you - you know where came. You are all seriously now wrote?

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Hello, jazzer, you wrote: S>> Probably there are people without soul and you one of them. You do anesthesia at the stomatologist at ? On idea it is not necessary for you, as for you so-called "pain" - only the information on that that with a tooth nerve is produced by manipulations, after all this information is not new to you - you know where came. J> you are all seriously now wrote? And what you surprises?

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Hello, CreatorCray, you wrote: S>> If the problem was only in abbreviation  - that to anchor the person to a chair easier. Any  it is not necessary. CC> And  yes, well fixed patient does not need a narcosis. You want that you simply fixed and led painful manipulations without a narcosis? If is not present - that why?

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Hello, CreatorCray, you wrote: S>> It is solvable if to understand the device of painful center. CC> that that seems to me that for a long time already all is disassembled also any magic there is not present, banal hardwiring in the course of evolution which the survival rate of a type increases. Unfortunately is not present.  and a difficult problem of consciousness - a principal unresolved problem : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_u … uroscience But you in the vital position already consider that the science solved all. Also know why? Because you are frightened by uncertainty. S>> 1. A faith in afterlife. If there will be no this faith - religions will be not necessary. Churches and so forth will be not necessary - and there billions leave. CC> afterlife is not present. Church it . And how then to explain that that the person can feel a pain and pleasure? After all the computer of it cannot, there is no such algorithm. Means, probably, is smothering. S>> 2. To resolve  for all comers. What in it of bad? Many people who could not implement itself - with honor this world is abandoned. And nobody tells that they burn in a hell since if there is no immortal soul - there is no also a hell. CC> there questions  are twisted, the same church. + banal  it is banal it is unprofitable for a society. Why it is not favourable? If the person does not want to live - that from it more harm than favor. S>> 3. To resolve slavery in all its displays. After all if sufferings of another only information handling - that that in it of bad? CC> Uh what at you with a cuckoo of a problem! It why? The slavery of robots than that in essence differs from slavery of people? Why robots it is possible to enthral and people are not present? S>> 4. To allow to kill all incapacitated incurably sick, especially mentally the sick. What for them to feed? CC> the psychology hinders. No, the psychology can be rebuilt. The doubt hinders. And suddenly at them is smothering. And who to you granted the right to kill another - instead of whether it is necessary to bear for it responsibility. S>> 5. To resolve the death penalty. After all it cancelled because of religion, as a matter of fact. CC> It cancelled more because there is a probability of a miscarriage of justice which at the death penalty it is impossible though as that to correct. In certain cases all is obvious. If 1000 witnesses that a certain people fulfilled executions - that what there a miscarriage of justice? S>> and as ability is connected to a question  to build the game instead of to operate on algorithm. CC> Shta?  the person puts tasks. Try to make the machine, which to itself will put tasks.