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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> If is not present - that why? Because at me priorities others.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, CreatorCray, you wrote: S>> If is not present - that why? CC> Because at me priorities others. If you need to lead manipulations causing a pain with tooth and the doctor tells: give I you simply properly I will anchor and we make without . Or it is possible to make with , but on $5 will be more expensive. What do you select and why?

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Unfortunately is not present.  and a difficult problem of consciousness - a principal unresolved problem : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_u … uroscience Release an owl, the monster!  a science does not concern from a word absolutely. S> Also know why? Because you are frightened by uncertainty. What else  uncertainty? S> and how then to explain that that the person can feel a pain and pleasure? That that certain inputs  on framing of other signals, as chemical and electrical in reply to which   reacts that the owner of it  got used to name "pain" or "pleasure". You still start to consider why to scratch there where it is scratched causes pleasant sensation. S> after all the computer of it cannot, there is no such algorithm. Who to you told that cannot. You can prove in practice? S> means, probably, is smothering. S> why it is not favourable? If the person does not want to live - that from it more harm than favor. The flock should bring . If died that does not benefit. S> it why? The slavery of robots than that in essence differs from slavery of people? At the robot  free will. The robot does only that to it . S> Why robots it is possible to enthral and people are not present? You about "slavery of animals" start to sing. S> is not present, the psychology can be rebuilt. Good luck. For this purpose it is necessary to you  such protective mechanism from type extinction as empathy. But it is better than it not to do, results will be approximately as at the zombie of an apocalypse. S> the doubt hinders. And suddenly at them is smothering. . It just not  is perfect. Souls are not present. S> And who to you granted the right to kill another - instead of whether it is necessary to bear for it responsibility. S> Kompjuterju the person puts tasks. Try to make the machine, which to itself will put tasks., a worm already made.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> That you select and why? You in course that  consist in lock of signaling from nerves further in a brain. That you simply do not receive the information that where that that that is not perfectly in order.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, CreatorCray, you wrote: CC> Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>> Unfortunately is not present.  and a difficult problem of consciousness - a principal unresolved problem : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_u … uroscience CC> Release an owl, the monster!  a science does not concern from a word absolutely. You do not like a word or value which designate this word? S>> also know why? Because you are frightened by uncertainty. CC> what else  uncertainty? Scientific. Before  there is a difficult problem of consciousness and  experience (). Questions are and answers are not present. S>> And how then to explain that that the person can feel a pain and pleasure? CC> that that certain inputs  on framing of other signals, as chemical and electrical in reply to which   reacts that the owner of it  got used to name "pain" or "pleasure". Here it "that the owner of it  got used to name"pain"- and is an unresolved problem . Nobody can describe an essence of this process. Moreover - its nature is not clear, it is not clear that generally the such. CC> you still start to consider why to scratch there where it is scratched causes pleasant sensation. It too , the same essence. S>> after all the computer of it cannot, there is no such algorithm. CC> who to you told that cannot. You can prove in practice? If could - that would not be a difficult problem of consciousness That instead of a difficult problem of consciousness - we would have a certain circuit of the device which is capable of subjective experience (). S>> Why it is not favourable? If the person does not want to live - that from it more harm than favor. CC> the flock should bring . If died that does not benefit. The destructive person harms only. Sits on the manual, taxes does not pay, on operation does not walk and on the contrary spends for itself time . Workers. And nevertheless the state believes in God and does not consider that can deprive of his life. S>> it why? The slavery of robots than that in essence differs from slavery of people? CC> at the robot  free will. The robot does only that to it . And at the person? Unless it has something that is not present at the robot? At the robot too can be difficult . S>> Why robots it is possible to enthral and people are not present? CC> You about "slavery of animals" start to sing. Mockeries at animals why are forbidden? What bad if I assort a dog on slices? S>> is not present, the psychology can be rebuilt. CC> good luck. For this purpose it is necessary to you  such protective mechanism from type extinction as empathy. But it is better than it not to do, results will be approximately as at the zombie of an apocalypse. The psychology is based on religion. People trust that there is an immortal soul is a unique method to explain . If there was other method and the device has been created, capable to feel a pain - that no protective mechanism is necessary. If to tell that at Blacks there is no soul - anybody them will already not feel sorry for that. But all the same there will be doubts - suddenly is. But if at all to prove that souls is not present - that pity does not remain to what. S>> the doubt Hinders. And suddenly at them is smothering. CC> Pf. It just not  is perfect. Souls are not present. Solve a difficult problem of consciousness and  a basis of subjective experience () - then we check to you that the soul is not present. And so - what bases trusts you? Only because you confidently declare it? And the street mugger can tell more confidently that the soul is - to whom to trust? Give scientific proofs. S>> Kompjuterju the person puts tasks. Try to make the machine, which to itself will put tasks. CC>, a worm already made. It does not have brain. Moreover - its behavior differs from the present worm, that is something is already missed.

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Hello, CreatorCray, you wrote: S>> That you select and why? CC> You in course that  consist in lock of signaling from nerves further in a brain. CC> that you simply do not receive the information that where that that that is not perfectly in order. The information you receive, since you  that at you  in tooth and generally know where came. The information is -  is not present.

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Hello, CreatorCray, you wrote: BFE>> the total is approximately equal to three your monthly salaries CC> And  so cheaply that? It is impossible Too much, and even believers start souls to sell. Here to you of a problem: if the believer I smother sold, and on the obtained money rescued the child from death paying for operation, whereas? If the believer I smother sold, and on the obtained money gave to another that that did not sell the soul, whereas? Gets to a hell or not? Too little too it is impossible, and that not seriously turns out.

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> it is impossible Too much, and even believers start souls to sell. Here to you of a problem: BFE> if the believer I smother sold, and on the obtained money rescued the child from death paying for operation, whereas? To god  on it, it and so destroyed 80 billion people (according to present model of evolution). BFE> if the believer I smother sold, and on the obtained money gave to another that that did not sell the soul, whereas? Gets to a hell or not? BFE> Too little too it is impossible, and that not seriously turns out. God  both.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> In certain cases all is obvious. If 1000 witnesses that a certain people fulfilled executions - that what there a miscarriage of justice? - Deception of witnesses (an attention abstraction, a mask, suggestion) - substitution guilty of capture process - substitution of a consequence guilty of process - substitution of the defendant before execution - forging of documents in the course of transportation - software failure

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Hello, galeta, you wrote: G> - deception of witnesses (the attention abstraction, a mask, suggestion) G> - substitution guilty of process of capture G> - substitution of consequence G guilty of process> - substitution of the defendant before execution G> - forging of documents in the course of transportation G> - software failure is too improbable. And if the person himself prefers to die, instead of to be imprisoned - it has on this right?

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Hello, B0FEE664, you wrote: BFE> Hello, CreatorCray, you wrote: BFE>>> the total is approximately equal to three your monthly salaries CC>> And  so cheaply that? BFE> it is impossible Too much, and even believers start souls to sell. Here to you of a problem: It almost as )) Physically  does not mean, but can will means of payment? I will wait  at the rate, too , perhaps. The main thing with course that not to lose.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Hello, galeta, you wrote: G>> - deception of witnesses (the attention abstraction, a mask, suggestion) G>> - substitution guilty of process of capture G>> - substitution of consequence G guilty of process>> - substitution of the defendant before execution G>> - forging of documents in the course of transportation G>> - failure of software S> is too improbable. , looking in what system there is a court. And if the person himself prefers to die, instead of to be imprisoned - it has on this right? Always. You stop to breathe and you die.

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Hello, galeta, you wrote: G> And if the person himself prefers to die instead of to be imprisoned - it has on this right? G> always. You stop to breathe and you die. You can not - a reflex. Whether has the right the person to select the death penalty? And if is not present - that why?