1

Topic: [] the Alcoholic

2

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: 150-200 vodkas daily - am afraid, it all the same alcoholism...

3

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, alexsmirnoff, you wrote: A> 150-200 vodkas daily - am afraid, it all the same alcoholism... It agree, but, probably, even alcoholics can be treated for a hypertension.

4

Re: [] the Alcoholic

A> 150-200 vodkas daily - am afraid, it all the same alcoholism... Similar reasonings remind me " it normally/abnormally" itself I tend "abnormally". But homosexuals and to it sympathizing, supporting free relations disagree with me and cite as an example Turing. In my understanding - while the person too explicitly does not fall out of society is not the alcoholic, and so - overindulgence. The father told (earned additionally at one time in a sobering-up station). The person drinks 50 - and turns to a shit. It is not necessary to it any more. Any those 150. Now that's something like it - already alcoholism. And in a terminal stage. It also reached such stage not doses on 150-200 in day, and liters a day. The friend told about the father. At the live wife he strongly enough occasionally drank, and when she died - generally entered into a mode of deep drunkenness. It was not pleasant to a stomach, it was necessary approximately 2/3 to delete. Transiting rehabilitation. Continued to drink. And quickly saw that expensive vodka now to receive the necessary standard to it  is not necessary, and there is enough 100 cheap port. Well the result is a little predicted - did not acquire much.

5

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Any doses on favor certainly do not go, but the alcoholic become if lose control over an amount drunk and cannot stop on these most 100-150 grams.

6

Re: [] the Alcoholic

_> Any doses on favor certainly do not go then stop is, and that . Since after food intake spirit is worked out.

7

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> then stop is, and that . Since after food intake spirit is worked out. Like there was a certain driver at whom the organism worked out such amount of ethyl spirit that GAI officers delayed him once, not unreasonably suspecting drink driving.

8

Re: [] the Alcoholic

K> then stop is, and that . Since after food intake spirit is worked out. Very ridiculously. How many there that spirit? And the liver also is calculated for neutralization of such small amount of poison.

9

Re: [] the Alcoholic

_> it is very ridiculous. How many there that spirit? And the liver also is calculated for neutralization of such small amount of poison. This poison nevertheless to an organism means is necessary, if it is worked out

10

Re: [] the Alcoholic

K> this poison nevertheless to an organism means is necessary, if it is worked out All that that is in urine too it is necessary for an organism?

11

Re: [] the Alcoholic

12

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> this poison nevertheless to an organism means is necessary, if it is worked out CO2 too worked out, but is not necessary.

13

Re: [] the Alcoholic

_> All that that is in urine too it is necessary for an organism? You want to tell, what  spirit?

14

Re: [] the Alcoholic

H> CO2 too it is worked out, but it is not necessary. Excesses Carbonic acid are deleted only influences a state of nervous system and transmittivity of cellular diaphragms, activity of many enzymes, intensity of production of hormones and a level of their physiological efficiency. There is a direct dependence between concentration of carbonic acid in blood and intensity of functioning of digestive glands (salivary, , a liver), and also glands mucous a stomach, forming hydrochloric acid. Arrival in oxygen fabrics depends on the content in carbonic acid blood. At last, carbonic acid plays an important role in persistence of kislotno-alkaline balance, in biosynthesis of fiber and  amino acids. All it means that carbonic gas as the product of decomposition of carbonic acid in an organism, is not a by-product of ability to live of the same organism, and its reinforced leadingout, by means of deep breath, badly affects on health of the person. Presence of certain concentration of carbonic acid in an organism, is an indispensable condition of its normal functioning and pledge of health of the person. This indispensable condition of existence of the person was added historically, it is a lot of millions years ago when there was a life on the Earth. In the ancient time atmosphere of our planet has been strongly sated by carbonic gas (over 90 %), it was, and is now, a natural building material of live cells. As an example, response of biosynthesis of plants - absorption of carbonic gas, recycling of carbon and oxygen selection, and in those days on a planet there was very magnificent vegetation. Carbonic acid as participates in animal protein biosynthesis, in it some scientists see the possible reason of existence much millions years ago large animals and plants.

15

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, Hobbes, you wrote: H> Strangers are not in a family, not in a circle of friends, namely strangers? It seems, I found original questions: Answer ' Yes ' To These Four Questions And You Could Be An Alcoholic 1) Have you ever been criticized for your drinking habits? 2) Do you recover from a hangover with more drink? 3) Do you ever feel guilty about drinking? 4) Have you ever considered cutting down? Inexact transfer of the underlined question: to you though time did the remark because of your predilection for spirits? As it is easy to understand, it is a question of "the exterior" criticism (unlike self-criticism), that is a word "strangers" superfluous.

16

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: _>> All that that is in urine too it is necessary for an organism? K> you want to tell, what  spirit? Well and where  generated spirit?

17

Re: [] the Alcoholic

K> you want to tell, what  spirit? Simply wanted to tell, what not all that is worked out in an organism it is useful for it. And spirit is not deduced because it not an end-product, it will be transformed further.

18

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, bingoboy, you wrote: K>> you want to tell, what  spirit? B> well and where  generated spirit? As well as drunk, is oxidized to carbonic gas through some intermediate products

19

Re: [] the Alcoholic

P> As well as drunk, is oxidized to carbonic gas through some intermediate products Here these intermediate products in the core and beat on an organism.

20

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> the Alcoholic - who thumps regularly, for example is not more rare than once a week passes a beer bottle. To get drunk in snivels once a year it not the alcoholic. The beer bottle in a week - same is not enough.

21

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Those> the Alcoholic - who thumps regularly, for example is not more rare than once a week passes a beer bottle. To get drunk in snivels once a year it not the alcoholic. If there is no control - the alcoholic. Time easier did not approach, will be died unsuccessfully and  for a lovely soul. There are alcoholics and at all do not drink for 15, 20 years, but from it they do not become .

22

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, s_aa, you wrote: _> Here these intermediate products in the core also beat on an organism. Instead of you will name them? I think, on an organism beats nevertheless itself , because of excess of its content against natural many times over.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

23

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, Kaifa, you wrote: K> the person drinks 50 - and turns to a shit. It is not necessary to it any more. Any those 150. Now that's something like it - already alcoholism. And in a terminal stage. In a shit from 50 it from intolerance of alcohol. It as though in the opposite side from alcoholism. And generally, me it seems (leaving behind brackets any medicine) that alcoholism it not about an amount, and about a regular. I does not need to present what for to drink every day! It is possible to drink on the holidays, any events, at meetings with friends, etc. But if "pulls" to drink every day, let even on a glass, it, , alcoholism

24

Re: [] the Alcoholic

P> Instead of you will name them? P> I think, on an organism beats nevertheless itself , because of excess of its content against natural many times over. In a liver there is the intermediate transformation (oxidation) of ethyl spirit in  by means of enzyme , and then there is a transformation  to acetic acid by means of enzyme . At excess of alcohol in blood fermental systems do not cope with the full transformation  in acetic acid [7 [8] [9] [10], as a result it collects in an organism.  () at 10-30 time  the alcohol. [11] Besides, alcohol causes formation of enzyme CYP2E1, which itself can form toxins and the free radicals. [12]

25

Re: [] the Alcoholic

Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> the Alcoholic - who thumps regularly, for example is not more rare than once a week passes a beer bottle. To get drunk in snivels once a year it not the alcoholic. On this logic of times in a year it too the alcoholic for - it is regular