1

Topic: AI and depreciation of feelings

In  Frenka Herbert "Dune" is a plot about Buttleriansky Jihad: in the beginning people lived together with reasonable computers, but then them completely destroyed, and the doctrine entered into human religion "Yes you will not create the machine with reason, similar to the human!" . The reasons of such aversion people of AI as I understood from the book, are caused by the following: when people communicate with reasonable machines, they start and to concern people, as to machines. At Pelevin it is a lot of plots about relations (or sex) the person from AI. Whether this idea slips at it? Here sad news in a subject: https://www.rbc.ru/society/21/05/2012/5 … ac81a6826c the Authorities of Amsterdam intend to open in a city the first-ever brothel with robots-prostitutes. On it inform the Dutch mass-media. Robotized  will be absolutely similar to the person, and not only outwardly - they even can support simple conversation. Their skeleton is made of high-strength metal alloys, and a skin and muscles - from elastic silicone. Mechanical women of easy virtue can work for 24 hours a day. Besides, thanking it it will be possible to solve a problem of infections, sexually transmitted.

2

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Khimik, you wrote: K> the Reasons of such aversion people of AI as I understood from the book, are caused by the following: when people communicate with reasonable machines, they start and to concern people, as to machines. If the difficult problem of consciousness - that machines is solved and feelings will have. Here sad news in a subject: And what ?

3

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> S> Here sad news in a subject: S> And what ? Robots too have rights, and they will be exploited in a tail and in a mane "replace 49th dummy, it is already overflowed"

4

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, wl., you wrote: wl.> robots too have rights no more than at office coffee-machine wl.> and them will exploit in a tail and in a mane it is direct as office coffee-machine wl.> "replace 49th dummy, it is already overflowed"

5

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Khimik, you wrote: K> the Authorities of Amsterdam intend to open in a city the first-ever brothel with robots-prostitutes. On it inform the Dutch mass-media. What  first-ever, such already is in an amount, even news jumped that someone on them was destroyed.

6

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, wl., you wrote: wl.> robots too have rights, and they will be exploited in a tail and in a mane wl.> "replace 49th dummy, it is already overflowed" For origin of the rights ability to test  is necessary, and at its robots is not present. Otherwise you should grant the rights to a toilet bowl and to fine all who offended its feelings.

7

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> For origin of the rights ability is necessary to test  for origin of the rights them is necessary to register in the law, and all

8

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Khimik, you wrote: K> Here sad news in a subject: K> https://www.rbc.ru/society/21/05/2012/5 … ac81a6826c good news! Less women it will be sexual to be exploited by the way, laws of the Russian Federation on idea do not forbid such brothels

9

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Khimik, you wrote: K> Here sad news in a subject: the Beginnings for health, and terminated in . You do not confuse "similar to the person" and "an electrosuction ".

10

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> S> Here sad news in a subject: S> And what ? The person is not becomes necessary.

11

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: wl.>> "replace 49th dummy, it is already overflowed" S> For origin of the rights ability to test  is necessary, and at its robots is not present. The statement from discharge "at Blacks is not present soul". While yes, robots do not have feelings. But if them to provide high-grade reverse  and , reflecting a reality?

12

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>> S>> Here sad news in a subject: S>> And what ? M> the Person is not becomes necessary. I meant another: I am afraid, such robots will really promote depreciation of feelings. Or it will be as a matter of fact the big perversion, like homosexuality.

13

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Los Chtostrjaslos, you wrote: > for origin of the rights they need to be registered in the law, and that all Generally the law not from  is written. There is a philosophy, the centuries-old theory. And any more to this basis clever people solve that is kindly and that is angrily. Is, of course, and exceptions - the world not without idiots. But these exceptions or exist in restricted territory or not long time. For example the slavery is forbidden everywhere not simply so.

14

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> the Person is not becomes necessary. The difficult problem of consciousness is not resolved yet - the person is necessary. It also is a criterion  - robots cannot define value, i.e. cannot put the job from zero, decide to move in what direction and what project to develop. You see communication between a difficult problem of consciousness and lining of the game? Yes, the robot now can play by those rules which the PERSON to it set. Set game rules in chess - plays. Set game rules in Go - plays. But! Let the robot itself decides than to be engaged to it and in what to achieve success. And here with it the ZERO.

15

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> the Statement from discharge "at Blacks is not present soul". The Black is a black box. How you check up there is at it a soul or not if you do not know its device? M> while yes, robots do not have feelings. But if them to provide high-grade reverse  and , reflecting a reality? And from what you decided, what "high-grade reverse  and " allows to feel ? Or you already resolved the main unresolved problem ? What  at a forum blurted out that "reverse  and " and you thought that it and there is an answer to the main question of philosophy. It is a little criticality in  to you does not prevent - if it was the decision of a difficult problem of consciousness - that about it at least in scientific logs wrote as the possible theory - but is not present, anybody of such variant, except  at forums, does not offer.

16

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Hello, Khimik, you wrote: K>> the Reasons of such aversion people of AI as I understood from the book, are caused by the following: when people communicate with reasonable machines, they start and to concern people, as to machines. S> if the difficult problem of consciousness - that machines will be solved and feelings will have. It happens then when silence learn to put into words. I think that never. As soon as you said a word - the silence already is not present. The machine with feelings is again the person. Sense in such machine?

17

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Khimik, you wrote: K> In  Frenka Herbert "Dune" is a plot about Buttleriansky Jihad: in the beginning people lived together with reasonable computers, but then them completely destroyed, and the doctrine entered into human religion "Yes you will not create the machine with reason, similar to the human!". K> robotized  will be absolutely similar to the person, and not only outwardly - they even can support simple conversation. Their skeleton is made of high-strength metal alloys, and a skin and muscles - from elastic silicone. K> mechanical women of easy virtue can work for 24 hours a day. Besides, thanking it it will be possible to solve a problem of infections, sexually transmitted. K> [/q] someone for some reason thinks that the person is the total of guts, blood, hands-feet, ability to move and talk. Pile all and you will receive the person.

18

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, mizuchi, you wrote: M> the machine with feelings is again the person. Sense in such machine? Why the person? And suddenly and at animals is ? On intelligence this machine can repeatedly exceed the average person. And itself will decide to work over what projects to it, can deceive, if it try to use.

19

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Helkar, you wrote: Hello, Khimik, you wrote: K>> In  Frenka Herbert "Dune" is a plot about Buttleriansky Jihad: in the beginning people lived together with reasonable computers, but then them completely destroyed, and the doctrine entered into human religion "Yes you will not create the machine with reason, similar to the human!". K>> the reasons of such aversion people of AI as I understood from the book, are caused by the following: when people communicate with reasonable machines, they start and to concern people, as to machines. You though books read before to do such outputs. Battleriansky jihad happened because   Skajnet decided to organize the galactic sizes and people in it only hindered it. And people in turn decided what to kill  the similar they have the right only. Any more Frenk Herbert wrote it, and his son. At Herbert any  about , etc. was not.

20

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Generally that the law not from  is written. Yes? Examples I SAY lies and  about what do not speak?

21

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Helkar, you wrote: So Frenka Herbert especially did not have such thoughts. What for you for it invent?" God-emperor of the Dune ":  severely frowned on Lujseal, knowing that only adds to their confusion. - I specify to you, Markus Kler Lujseal, in a past lesson - on over the society overflowed with machines, - on a lesson, seemingly, you not learned. In itself, mechanical adaptations caused that their users started and to use each other like machines. - I did not hear about such invention, the Lord. - I know.  did not understand that manufacturers of machines always risk to become perfect . And it - to come to the full barreness. Machines always suffer failure ... eventually. And when these machines suffer failure remains nothing, any life generally. - I do not understand your mention of Butleriansky Jihad, the Lord. Thinking machines have no place in ... - Jihad marked not only on machines, but it is not less and under the machine approach to life, - Lito told. - People installed these machines that those usurped our feeling of beauty, our necessity own I from which we carry out the live opinions. Naturally, machines have been destroyed.

22

Re: AI and depreciation of feelings

Hello, Khimik, you wrote: K> the Reasons of such aversion people of AI as I understood from the book, are caused by the following: when people communicate with reasonable machines, they start and to concern people, as to machines. K> at Pelevin it is a lot of plots about relations (or sex) the person from AI. Whether this idea slips at it? A dune did not read, but I condemn. AI happens different - while we did not create any machine intelligence, we only imitate it (AI is also intelligence simulation). And here that happens to working applications of AI - we cease to concern them as AI! Recognition of a voice and the hand-written text? A hogwash, simply standard possibilities of any modern phone. Image understanding? The hogwash, in any  is. All these applications will develop still, but at the same time to them all get used as to any other possibilities of machines. But about Skajnet do not cease to joke. K> here sad news in a subject: It remains .