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Topic: Spears in a serial Rome

Colleagues, I know,  a well of not profile experts. There was such historical question on motives of a serial Rome (by the way, I recommend to those who did not look yet, to me reminded GoT, but differs noticeably a smaller amount  and ). Here such Roman spears, they are real? Somehow do not look for me the practical weapon, I can that I do not understand.

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Hello, Ziaw, you wrote: Z> Colleagues, I know,  a well of not profile experts. There was such historical question on motives of a serial Rome (by the way, I recommend to those who did not look yet, to me reminded GoT, but differs noticeably a smaller amount  and ). Z> Here such Roman spears, they are real? Somehow do not look for me the practical weapon, I can that I do not understand. Z> Image: _011.png Yes, the standard throwing spear,  is called

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Hello, Ziaw, you wrote: Z> Here such Roman spears, they are real? Somehow do not look for me the practical weapon, I can that I do not understand. It . First of all the throwing weapon (legionaries before the beginning actually hand-to-hand threw from distance darts/pilumy in the opponent), but as a last resort can be used and as a short spear in the hand-to-hand. Very practical weapon - the person without a board amazes rather effectively, the board can punch too but even if amazes the person behind a board - sticks in a board tightly and to use it begins inconveniently, it is necessary to throw out - just exactly before the fight beginning... The Interesting snap - a steel after all then did not melt especially, the weapon iron. The iron weapon - soft. Here this bug made a feature - the long edge  after shock is bent and to get it from the punched board difficult enough, especially during fight.

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Hello, Ziaw, you wrote: Z> Here such Roman spears, they are real? Principles and  armed sometimes with a shock spear. Z> Somehow do not look for me the practical weapon, the people even used halberds later

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Hello, Pyromancer, you wrote: P> the standard throwing spear,  is called what for  to a throwing spear?

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P>> the standard throwing spear,  is called S> what for  to a throwing spear? It is a weighting compound for  balance most likely.

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Hello, _AND, you wrote: _AN> It is a weighting compound for  balance most likely. Probably also weight for  and the delimiter that in boards stuck better.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> what for  to a throwing spear? In my opinion, it  on a staff is fayed by this, as a shovel.

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Hello, Patsak, you wrote: In the Middle Ages, by the way, about the same principle used , applying against the knights of an arrow chained in an armor with the long and narrow tempered tip which punched the external armor and deeply stuck into a body. Only they also aggravated it - began to do these tips not fixed in a staff, and simply feeblly fayed on it. Therefore, when in a fight fever such arrow tried to pull out from a wound - the construction was disunited, and the person remained with a piece of iron in a side which one end stuck out at it between edges, and another - with each wave of a sword crawled there-here together with an armor. Sensations, possibly, were inexpressible. Image: 320px-Bodkin1.jpg it seemed To me that the thickening on an edge blunts a spear and reduces punching ability. As now understood, boards and an armor of that time  punched and so, at the expense of the weight, and the thickening played an important practical role.

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Hello, Ziaw, you wrote: [skip] the history Was recalled ostensibly taking place fight between the Roman legionaries and Chinese  very long time ago read in one of books of the Lion of Gumilev, in which Chineses (surprise, surprise) shot legionaries from safe distance, losing the uniform fighter. Today found absolutely other version of an event: Romans vs. Chineses or scales as it est. \materials from forums \-. When time any more will not be...

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: too why that this episode was remembered from the book "the end and again the beginning" but I  read to me as Soviet , without trying to carp, is painfully juicy wrote

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Hello, Ziaw, you wrote: Z> Colleagues, I know,  a well of not profile experts. There was such historical question on motives of a serial Rome  shame here serials to consider. It is known that to you Klim Zhukov or Jacob Kedmi can tell all. And about Roman for-darts or spears from a belly of the mother-zei it is better to Kornetovu-rodnoveru or Levashov. The forum any garbage  suffices here!!!

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> what for  to a throwing spear? What for to name  a thickening, not capable to close even fingers, not that a palm? And yes,  even at  was not. It appeared later.

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Hello,    ija - , you wrote: > the forum any garbage  Suffices here!!! Who would speak.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: Z>> Somehow do not look for me the practical weapon, S> the people even used halberds later Than the halberd is impractical?

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: Z>> Somehow do not look for me the practical weapon, S> the people even used halberds after the Halberd still all right, and here somebody watched a film "Tsar Edip" (Edipo re) 1967? Rather unusual cold steel there figured. For example, at the protagonist before it became the tsar, there was such sword: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NTZDOS-i4OQ/U … symbol.jpg https://cawkwell200.files.wordpress.com … word-2.jpg

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Hello, Ziaw, you wrote: Z>>> Somehow do not look for me the practical weapon, S>> the people even used halberds later Z> Than the halberd is impractical? Long. Suits the first rows only.

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Hello, Lazytech, you wrote: Z>>> Somehow do not look for me the practical weapon, S>> the people even used halberds later L> For example, at the protagonist before it became the tsar, there was such sword: L> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NTZDOS-i4OQ/U … symbol.jpg Iron bad. From attempt to reduce mass selected the edge middle.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> Iron bad. From attempt to reduce mass selected the edge middle. At several soldiers whom  killed  in the image, swords were more similar to tins. P.S. More precisely, something reminded become outdated  for cans.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> Long. Suits the first rows only. This same spear, only with the pumped over possibility to cut and pull down horsemen. About the first rows did not understand, just thanks to length the second row could cover the first.

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Hello, Ziaw, you wrote: S>> Long. Suits the first rows only. Z> This same spear, only with the pumped over possibility to cut and pull down horsemen. About the first rows did not understand, just thanks to length the second row could cover the first. Yes, two rows in the beginning work. In a dump they remained without the weapon.

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>  shame here serials to consider. It is known that to you Klim Zhukov or Jacob Kedmi can tell all. > and about Roman for-darts or spears from a belly of the mother-zei it is better to Kornetovu-rodnoveru or Levashov. > the forum any garbage  suffices here!!! The admirer  and   garbage told