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Topic: The device with feeling of a pain

Unless attempts to create such  "devices" should not be forbidden scientific committee on ethics? Same a box , opening road for sadists, and not carrying any useful functions for  people.

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Hello, marselo, you wrote: M> Unless attempts to create such  "devices" should not be forbidden scientific committee on ethics? And mockeries at robots unless should not be forbidden? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jZEL8HFwk&t=27

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: M>> Unless attempts to create such  "devices" should not be forbidden scientific committee on ethics? Q> and mockeries at robots unless should not be forbidden? From what? Here for example many genetic experiments are forbidden, though at them even anybody and does not suffer.

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Hello, marselo, you wrote: M> Unless attempts to create such  "devices" should not be forbidden scientific committee on ethics? M> same a box , opening road for sadists, and not carrying any useful functions for  people. The subject is completely uncovered in the third season of Tsianida: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCnXHF-WH8

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Hello, Nik, you wrote: N> the Subject is completely uncovered in the third season of Tsianida: N> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiCnXHF-WH8 In a black mirror it is is more probable, all the same a scientific film.

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Hello, marselo, you wrote: M> Unless attempts to create such  "devices" should not be forbidden scientific committee on ethics? The elementary such robot it is obvious mp3 a player, on button click saying a casual phrase from "OH! Mummies! Painfully that as!!!" " !" "!!!" "\sounds  \" "\crying sounds \" "\a horror cry \". #! M> Same a box , opening road for sadists, and not carrying any useful functions for  people. I remember still, there were such purely mechanical devices, "a laughter bag". From frequent usage the plate with the written down sound of idiotic infectious laughter ground off and turned to record of a cry of horror with plaints. You will kick such and it rattles, chokes in an agony.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> I Remember still, there were such purely mechanical devices, "a laughter bag". From frequent usage the plate with the written down sound of idiotic infectious laughter ground off and turned to record of a cry of horror with plaints. You will kick such and it rattles, chokes in an agony. Whether the Anthropocentrist that? Look, as though it was not necessary to repent years through 30 of process .

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Hello, Trotsky, you wrote: In a black mirror it is is more probable, all the same a scientific film. In what series?

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Hello, marselo, you wrote: M> Unless attempts to create such  "devices" should not be forbidden scientific committee on ethics? It is possible to forbid only what really to create. Here "the hyperboloid of engineer Garina" - is not forbidden. And after all they can destroy at once the whole crowd of people, cutting each person a super-thin ray. Why it is not forbidden? Because to make it or it is not possible or it is not real.

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> the Elementary such robot it is obvious mp3 a player, on button click saying a casual phrase from "OH! Mummies! Painfully that as!!!" " !" "!!!" "\sounds  \" "\crying sounds \" "\a horror cry \". If someone shouts that to it painfully - does not mean that to it actually painfully, remember and do not come across on this trap. It is possible to shout everything and it no means always represents the facts.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> it is possible to Forbid only what really to create. S> here "the hyperboloid of engineer Garina" - is not forbidden. And after all they can destroy at once the whole crowd of people, cutting each person a super-thin ray. Why it is not forbidden? Because to make it or it is not possible or it is not real. ? It is possible to cut crowd of people with the normal industrial laser.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> If someone shouts that to it painfully - does not mean that to it actually painfully, remember and do not come across on this trap. It is possible to shout everything and it no means always represents the facts. , something seems to me that you are engaged in a vivisection at night. Also you try to rub here that animal pains do not test, as they "do not have soul". In civilized countries for it isolate from a society by a location in prison. The criminal code of Russian Federation Article 245. Cruel treatment of animals (in . The federal law from 12/20/2017 N 412-FZ) (the text in previous "edition" see) 1. Cruel treatment of an animal with a view of causing to it a pain and (or) sufferings, and is equal from hooligan promptings or from the mercenary promptings, entailed its loss or a mutilation, - is punished by the penalty at the rate to eight-ten thousand roubles or at a rate of a salary or other income condemned for the period about six months, or mandatory operations for the term up to three hundred sixty hours, or corrective operations for the term up to one year, or restriction of freedom for the term up to one year, or arresting for the term up to six months, or imprisonment for the term up to three years. 2. The same act made: a group of persons, a group of persons on preliminary arrangement or the organized group; in the presence of the juvenile; with application of sadistic methods; with public demonstration, including in mass media or information-telecommunication networks (including a network "Internet"); Concerning several animals, - it is punished by the penalty at the rate from hundred thousand to three hundred thousand roubles or at a rate of a salary or other income condemned for the period from one year till two years, or corrective operations for the term up to two years, or forced hard labor for the term up to five years, or imprisonment for the term from three till five years.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> Chito? It is possible to cut crowd of people with the normal industrial laser. Do not exaggerate. 2-3 bodies will burn some minutes. If lead on crowd - unless burns certain receive.  allowed to do a ray which will be cut by some bodies for 1 pass.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> 1. Cruel treatment of an animal with a view of causing to it a pain and (or) sufferings, and is equal from hooligan promptings or from the mercenary promptings, entailed its loss or a mutilation, is concerns only animals with a developed brain. If will torture a fly/mosquito/centipede and even to spread on  - dares to attract nobody you.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> In civilized countries for it isolate from a society by a location in prison. To it carried to be born in the country where for tortures of people produce the award.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> It concerns only animals with a developed brain. If will torture a fly/mosquito/centipede and even to spread on  - dares to attract nobody you. How about ?

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Hello, marselo, you wrote: actually a pain it only the information, and a brain already interprets it as something unpleasant

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SK> I Remember still, there were such purely mechanical devices, "a laughter bag". From frequent usage the plate with the written down sound of idiotic infectious laughter ground off and turned to record of a cry of horror with plaints. You will kick such and it rattles, chokes in an agony. youtube you will not wipe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faqUQj2AGc0

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Hello, The Passenger, you wrote: TP> actually a pain it only the information, and a brain already interprets it as something unpleasant Well so thrust a hand in boiled water.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: TP>> actually a pain it only the information, and a brain already interprets it as something unpleasant M> Well so thrust a hand in boiled water. In court. The judge asks: - the Defendant, you know for what judge you? - Yes, your honor. I was up against a blank wall. - but, after all for it do not judge. - yes. But it was not my head.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: whether M> the Anthropocentrist that? Unconditionally. M> look, as though it was not necessary to repent years through 30 of process . At all I do not represent that could shake me. Invasion of aliens? "The second coming", the phenomenon of god in person?

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> it is unconditional. M>> look, as though it was not necessary to repent years through 30 of process . SK> At all I do not represent that could shake me. Invasion of aliens? "The second coming", the phenomenon of god in person? Technological singularity and  at the person of its false exclusiveness.

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: TP>> actually a pain it only the information, and a brain already interprets it as something unpleasant M> Well so thrust a hand in boiled water. Not clearly that you wanted to tell it

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M>>> Look, as though it was not necessary to repent years through 30 of process . SK>> At all I do not represent that could shake me. Invasion of aliens? "The second coming", the phenomenon of god in person? M> technological singularity and  at the person of its false exclusiveness. Undoubtedly, technological singularity - creation of hands human that only strengthens my conviction, in the superiority of the Person over the blind nature. What are still necessary proofs of Exclusiveness of the Person?

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Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> it is doubtless, technological singularity - creation of hands human that only strengthens my conviction, in the superiority of the Person over the blind nature. SK> what proofs of Exclusiveness of the Person are still necessary? You suppose, the technological superiority gave to nazis of the grounds to scoff at more backward people?