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Topic: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Can explain on fingers. I do not understand why at observation as a wave and without observation as a particle. What means at observation? And without observation whereas ? After all if without observation and  it is impossible. Everywhere the surface any facts. What is is specific ? How it is is specific  it was led?

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Can explain on fingers. I do not understand why at observation as a wave and without observation as a particle. What means at observation? And without observation whereas ? After all if without observation and  it is impossible. Everywhere the surface any facts. What is is specific ? How it is is specific  it was led? Normally result experiment on electron dispersion on two slots. And electrons shoot on one. https://physics.ru/courses/op25part2/co … heory.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2J4lJAvpLM

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

G> Can explain on fingers. I do not understand why at observation as a wave and without observation as a particle. What means at observation? And without observation whereas ? After all if without observation and  it is impossible. Everywhere the surface any facts. What is is specific ? How it is is specific  it was led? You the being from a macrocosm, you is selected by analogies from a macrocosm that it was more clear. Analogies a piece such - dig more deeply - they break. Observation is an interaction, anything magic in it is not present. As a wave or as the particle is not a behavior choice during the specific moment, it is simple the description of properties clear to you language. Unfortunately, if to use clear to you language - it turns out contradictorily. There's nothing to be done are costs of that you the person

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Can explain on fingers. I do not understand why at observation as a wave and without observation as a particle. Where you began such delirium? It now in textbooks the such write? At what here observation? Dualism means that it possesses properties as waves, and particles. Naturally, as that, and it is possible to find out another only at observation.

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Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Can explain on fingers. Well here interests you, for example, wave-corpuscle dualism - you try to reveal the answer, and to you all time about korpuskuvo-volnoljarnyj answers come

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Can explain on fingers. On fingers I can not. For this purpose it is necessary to know a Schrodinger equation and wave function.

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Can explain on fingers. I do not understand why at observation as a wave and without observation as a particle. What means at observation? And without observation whereas ? After all if without observation and  it is impossible. Everywhere the surface any facts. What is is specific ? How it is is specific  it was led? On fingers - it is elementary. Microparticles have fuzzy circuits and permanently fluctuate. All this bosh about difficulty of understanding of wave-corpuscle dualism is invented stupid .

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Hello, marcopolo, you wrote: M> On fingers - it is elementary. Microparticles have fuzzy circuits and permanently fluctuate. M> All this bosh about difficulty of understanding of wave-corpuscle dualism is invented stupid . Not all so is simple. Tried to shorthand such models with a fuzzy circuit. It is impossible correspondences with practice. Moreover, the state not binary (a wave or a particle), "a vagueness" level can be controlled if to put sensors with some probability particles defining position. It is interesting that it is possible to watch an interference from particles from two slots even if they are issued with such periodicity that each particle certainly has time to fly by before appearance another. Photons also conduct themselves. Well and on snack Einstein-Podolsk-Rozena Paradox and connected to it which similar prove to be true in practice.

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Michael7, you wrote: M> it is interesting that it is possible to watch an interference from particles from two slots even if they are issued with such periodicity that each particle certainly has time to fly by before appearance another. Photons also conduct themselves. Also what the surprising? Simply process of measurement - imports distortions to an experiment course. And, , even it is proved that in this case on another in any way - particles small, sensitive and measurement imperceptibly to lead it does not turn out. Roughly speaking for measurement through what slot flew by - in one of slots it is necessary to deliver an electromagnet. And this electromagnet, even the most feeble, any more does not allow an electron to behave as a wave.

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>... And this electromagnet, even the most feeble, any more does not allow an electron to behave as a wave. It as? He all the same behaves as a wave... And as a particle. Simply at interaction it changes the state and a wave already another it turns out

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Can explain on fingers. I do not understand why at observation as a wave and without observation as a particle. What means at observation? And without observation whereas ? After all if without observation and  it is impossible. Everywhere the surface any facts. What is is specific ? How it is is specific  it was led? Probably neither that nor another are not characteristics of particles, and are abstractions imposed by the appropriate theory. And the theory is not deprived contradictions, but this best that exists for today. But there are also other theories.

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Can explain on fingers. I do not understand why at observation as a wave and without observation as a particle. What means at observation? And without observation whereas ? After all if without observation and  it is impossible. Everywhere the surface any facts. What is is specific ? How it is is specific  it was led? And if observation process to make casual, that is it is in advance not known: there will be an observation or not. How the particle in that case learns as itself to conduct?

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Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> That is is specific ? How it is is specific  it was led? I advise a heap  to look at physicists-theorists, forgot a surname of the muzhik. There with pictures, a drawing, all is for housewives. Or about space, Alex Filipenko, it already in each video is shone. But that is strange, from it do not become more clear. All time everywhere any innuendo or uncertainty. The broad picture of all is not present till now.

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Can explain on fingers. I do not understand why at observation as a wave and without observation as a particle. What means at observation? I think, in practice, almost nobody understands it, though pretend that understand. "Miracle" of a principle of uncertainty from the quantum world  as an objective reality is simple, is described by the equations and enters into a world pattern.

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > But that is strange, from it do not become more clear. All time everywhere any innuendo or uncertainty. The broad picture of all is not present till now. Because for housewives, in these films initially accents incorrectly place, as the purpose of these films - to fill mysterious trembling, instead of to cause understanding of processes.

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, alpha21264, you wrote: A> Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G>> Can explain on fingers. A> on fingers I can not. For this purpose it is necessary to know a Schrodinger equation and wave function. Not mandatory. Feynman explained on fingers without a Schrodinger equation. Another matter, what even on fingers not all understand its as much as possible accessible explanations.   .

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, Gattaka, you wrote: G> Can explain on fingers. I do not understand why at observation as a wave and without observation as a particle. On the contrary. Simply particles does not exist. There are wave packets. Imagine you you throw  on a grid small in comparison with the sizes . If behind it a wall you there will be splashes if for it to deliver a wall and the vacuum cleaner  in the vacuum cleaner drains in as a unit. The vacuum cleaner - . Approximately too most also happens in KM, only  not  and splashes after a grid  with each other taking into account a phase.

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Re: Corpuscularly wave dualism

Hello, koenig, you wrote: K> you the being from a macrocosm, you is selected by analogies from a macrocosm that it was more clear. Analogies a piece such - dig more deeply - they break. K> observation is an interaction, anything magic in it is not present. As a wave or as the particle is not a behavior choice during the specific moment, it is simple the description of properties clear to you language. Unfortunately, if to use clear to you language - it turns out contradictorily. There's nothing to be done are costs of that you the person so. Despite presence of enough powerful abstract thinking, the person all the same can operate with only familiar and intuitively-clear concepts at home level. All remaining speaks through "projections" to known semantic measurements. From this there is a question on boundaries of possibilities of knowledge of the Universe.