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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> Speech about a limit 60 and accordingly,  under 40. Under a torrential rain on asphalt it is possible to go easy 60-70. You, the main thing, do not forget, what even under a torrential rain on  there go any bi-doubles.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> About controllability, on the wet the limit of coupling is felt and it is considerable above a high-speed limit in a city. Aha. Approximately so: It is felt, felt, felt, oh all.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> the Majority of drivers-prevyshalshchikov on dry do not concern the clever. At Artema self-criticism was got? Not, I do not trust

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> Hello, Alexander Kuznetsov, you wrote: W>>>> Because are afraid to go quickly. Visibility is much worse, especially in side glasses, a brake way it is more. In ours - also holes it is not visible to a reality. Those>>> But after all are not afraid to exceed in dry weather and at night!  that - also panties . All rises in corks from such unfortunate drivers. >> a habit Question. If the person permanently goes in dry weather, he knows, that to expect from the machine. And when the rain, appears a lot of additional  factors. Clever people in such situation normally reduce speed, reducing risks. Those> Clever people understand that consequences from collision are worse at excess of speed, and that time for response is less. Clever people also understand that at night visibility considerably worsens, and sudden appearance of a kangaroo from bushes or  because of the machine - parked at sidewalk a matter of time. The majority of drivers-prevyshalshchikov on dry the clever do not concern. About controllability, on the wet the limit of coupling is felt and it is considerable above a high-speed limit in a city. Well, to feel a limit of coupling outside of a polygon for training of skills a driving extreme too not the best experience. Knowledge that this limit comes certainly earlier, than on dry asphalt suffices the majority of drivers. Plus is worse visibility (and unlike the same night, it is easier to define that it is worse - at night in the illuminated city this sensation is concealed), worse seeing pedestrians, more a brake way. In a case with typical Russian roads also the holes hidden by pools... In general, arguments to drop speed, more than it is enough. And in the afternoon in dry weather E=mv^2/2 very much not many visualize. Visualization does not suffice. With night racers, I do not know, idiots always suffice, but somehow did not note, that them was strong more than during a rain, or in a snowfall. I.e. Separate  meet, but as mass  - did not note. In normally evening the flow of kilometers on 10-15 in comparison with day brakes. Approximately as during a rain.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> another Goes such -20 to a limit on one band, and -20 on other band. Or  start from a traffic light,  speed up up to a following traffic light. Enrage it is unreal.   that the mortgage machines for 3 + break million There was a subject where I clarified it: http://rsdn.org/forum/auto/7006393.1 the Author: Real 3L0 Date: 28.12 17:16

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> About controllability, on the wet the limit of coupling is felt and it is considerable above a high-speed limit in a city. Audi Q7, hydroplaning. It not any  , and a German premium. And here  you - time, also is not present more coupling.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, romangr, you wrote: R> It not any  , and a German premium. And here  you - time, also is not present more coupling. At first, speech was absolutely about other speed. Secondly, and it is possible mark of the machine which in any way and never in such get. Thirdly, judging by a car - it is probable and there is that  with a mortgage which spared on rubber.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> Clever people understand that consequences from collision are worse at excess of speed, and that time for response is less. Clever people also understand that at night visibility considerably worsens, and sudden appearance of a kangaroo from bushes or  because of the machine - parked at sidewalk a matter of time. The majority of drivers-prevyshalshchikov on dry the clever do not concern. About controllability, on the wet the limit of coupling is felt and it is considerable above a high-speed limit in a city. How you a limit of coupling with a speed  connected? It only turn it is possible to connect, on a straight line though 300 fry.

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> At first, speech was absolutely about other speed. R3> Secondly, and it is possible mark of the machine which in any way and never in such get. R3> Thirdly, judging by a car - it is probable and there is that  with a mortgage which spared on rubber. Yes all so,  during a rain to go 120 though on Q7, though by a Zhiguli. Arguing of this case at us at the Nizhniy Novgorod autoforum, here was simply recalled and secured  in a subject.

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Hello, Alexander Kuznetsov, you wrote: > Hydroplaning on one side at the emergency braking can appear very unpleasant piece. Hydroplaning on 60?

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: >> Hydroplaning on one side at the emergency braking can appear very unpleasant piece. Ops> hydroplaning on 60? Well, if a deep pool and rubber  it is possible, basically. Only, it is absolutely blind it is necessary to be, that such pool in advance not to see and speed before it not to drop.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> Well and let hold without occupation of all bands.  headlights, and masters of parallel driving pass you.

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Because observe traffic regulations At a choice of speed of driving the driver should consider the restrictions of speed installed by points 88, 89 present Rules and means of the organization of traffic, and also intensity of driving, visibility of road, a singularity and a state of a vehicle and a load transported by it, road, weather (meteorological) conditions and other factors reducing a transparency of atmosphere and influencing visibility of road in a direction of driving.

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Hello, Muxa, you wrote: M> because observe traffic regulations M> At a choice of speed of driving the driver should consider the restrictions of speed installed by points 88, 89 present Rules and means of the organization of traffic, and also intensity of driving, visibility of road, a singularity and a state of a vehicle and a load transported by it, road, weather (meteorological) conditions and other factors reducing a transparency of atmosphere and influencing visibility of road in a direction of driving. From fingers removed. Accordingly drivers who reduce speed - good, suitable drivers. And type of Artemki - will be unreeled once, and it is good, if others do not ruin.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> another Goes such -20 to a limit on one band, and -20 on other band. Or  start from a traffic light,  speed up up to a following traffic light. Enrage it is unreal. And still are slowly rebuilt. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ … 0%B8%D0%B5

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Hello, Gadsky, you wrote: G> Accordingly drivers who reduce speed - good, suitable drivers. This output is justified by nothing.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> not to understand it. , at you soon companions in an orbit start to force down fingers.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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1. To be engaged in Thai boxing. 2. Suddenly to understand that you the most important on road. 3. To cut "" and to scatter to it on concepts, how correctly to go. 4. To receive from "" . 5. To tell all on RSDN that "stood in ... I only designate... And it with all the might..." 6.??? 7. Profit.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> a coupling Limit, it when takes down a muzzle or when the stub icon blinks. But to pilots on buckets with bolts on hydroplaning (100km/ch - more than it is enough) and without any electronic assistants (an electrostub, ABS, expensive rubber for cowards) it not to understand. A subject, after the beginning of hydroplaning which for some reason for believing in icons of a stub and bonus rubbers always begins suddenly, your unique assistants can be unless eucalyptuses. Because  the bi-double - is more sick. You would hand over truth is right also.

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Hello, Lexey, you wrote: G>> Accordingly drivers who reduce speed - good, suitable drivers. L> this output is justified by nothing. It is justified. The probability theory. Any trip at the wheel can end with failure. Not important on whose fault. It is possible to be the megaabrupt driver, but to catch on a route  because of the traffic which has burst at another participant of a wheel. And to catch in a situation when chances to evade are not present any, be you though 10 times the racer of the formula one. Them too it is regular from safety frames "cut", if that. During a rain visibility, the review in side mirrors is reduced, the brake way etc., and, hence, increases the probability of road accident considerably increases at all participants of traffic. At the beginner, the first time sat down for a wheel, it  with, we admit (digits are made up), 1 % on 1000 km to 5 %, at real "pro" with experience, skills of extremal driving etc. - from 0.01 % to 0.03 %. But  at all. A real method to lower probability of road accident in a situation when it is impossible to affect other drivers, there is only one - to give to itself(himself) to more time for response. To reach it it is possible: 1. Possibility to manoeuvre, brake etc. 2 was magnification of a distance to other machines of a flow that if they start to do something not that. Lowering of speed that time for response, besides, increased, and, in case of road accident, consequences were less heavy. E = mV^2/2 still nobody cancelled. 3. Increase of the general vigilance, type "to twist a head on 360 degrees" and to start to count other drivers not on 1-2, and on 2-3 steps forward. All. Personally I do not know other methods. From this it follows that drivers who during a rain reduce speed, fulfill, at least, one of the enumerated recommendations, and try to lower the probability which has increased because of weather conditions of road accident. So are good and suitable drivers.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W>> As you the limit of coupling with a speed  connected? It only turn it is possible to connect, on a straight line though 300 fry. Those> Losinyj the test? Not, did not hear. Not the psychic, thought I am not able to read. The losinyj test it just 4 turns. Those> a coupling Limit, it when takes down a muzzle or when the stub icon blinks. But to pilots on buckets with bolts on hydroplaning (100km/ch - more than it is enough) and without any electronic assistants (an electrostub, ABS, expensive rubber for cowards) it not to understand. At me now the machine with , , rubber at me all life UHP is put. Essentially differences in driving with  and without it I do not see,  only hardly faster me extinguishes sliding. Normal drivers define a limit on behavior of the machine, instead of on bulb . We wait when the Lancer finds the pool, there  does not rescue. You think Q7 was without , on a shit to rubber etc.?

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Hello, Real 3L0, you wrote: R3> Thirdly, judging by a car - it is probable and there is that  with a mortgage which spared on rubber. Judging by music?

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> Well and let hold without occupation of all bands. Here to you a couple of the instructive stories which have happened with me literally yesterday when I went from the nice city of Dubna, to not less nice city of St.-Petersburg. Weather:-30 at night,-12 in the afternoon when the sun quits. The car: Outlander XL, not bonus  rubber 215/60R16. An episode 1. 8 mornings. I brake about 80 km/h before broken enough moving to Vyshnem Volochke. Customary I look in a mirror and I see the surprised physiognomies of guys on ten with the trailer realizing that their brake way explicitly is longer than distance between the state registration signs on our machines. I stop braking and I add a course - a distance to the machine ahead sufficient. The ass is rescued. An episode 2. 10:30 mornings. 110 km/h on roundabout Great Novgorod in the right row move. In before the next bend of road me on the left row bypasses the Grant. Precisely in a bend meters in fifty ahead of me to the Grant takes down, it clings a back bumper snow  at the right chipper, it some times tears, it clings to lobbies  the left chipper and eventually stops driving across right a row. These  I watched all braking on  and guessing, in what row it stops, as a result to the Grant went round on the left row. The driver Grants is perfectly in order, got off with a fright and two bumpers. Unfortunately, by its machine I did not look at rubber type. In both cases weather was clear, here only ice.

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Hello, Tyomchik, you wrote: Those> the stub Icon blinks a post factum when you thanks to computer interference did not depart.  interferes earlier, still before the driver could understand something. To depart the completely not mandatory Drunk machine and for no reason arises in winter: from priming on ice hummocks you leave we tell on  speeds in 20 km/h.