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Topic: How to learn what grandmas are twisted at the client? [Autsors, ]

For a long time , but I can not often understand, on what total  and what budget at the client. From accessible  it is normal only last hiring and a site of the company with the prices for a software. On  often come across rare . After conditional spent 3-4 $, start to ache that many money is merged, a deadline and generally allow to work less or at all the end. What methods are to learn approximate profit/turn of the company on software sale?

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Re: How to learn what grandmas are twisted at the client? [Autsors, ]

Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL> For a long time , but I can not often understand, on what total  and what budget at the client. From accessible  it is normal only last hiring and a site of the company with the prices for a software. And at once, directly to ask the client, for what period and how many he calculates to spend, not?

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Re: How to learn what grandmas are twisted at the client? [Autsors, ]

Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL> For a long time , but I can not often understand, on what total  and what budget at the client. From accessible  it is normal only last hiring and a site of the company with the prices for a software. And what difference, how many money at the client? Put the price - if it arranges, it pays. Does not arrange - means, search for other client (and he is other executor). What for in another's purse to look?

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Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL> For a long time , but I can not often understand, on what total  and what budget at the client. From accessible  it is normal only last hiring and a site of the company with the prices for a software. To look at cost of its site? www.sbup.com

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Re: How to learn what grandmas are twisted at the client? [Autsors, ]

Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL> For a long time , but I can not often understand, on what total  and what budget at the client. From accessible  it is normal only last hiring and a site of the company with the prices for a software. TL> on  often come across rare . After conditional spent 3-4 $, start to ache that many money is merged, a deadline and generally allow to work less or at all the end. TL> What there are methods to learn approximate profit/turn of the company on software sale? If there are accessories it is possible to look here http://www.rusprofile.ru/ - Dmitry

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Re: How to learn what grandmas are twisted at the client? [Autsors, ]

TL> What there are methods to learn approximate profit/turn of the company on software sale? Same does not solve a problem.   for a long time it is already well-known for the status "very cheaply", and there search for executors more cheaply. So, it is clear, why there are complaints if it starts to eat the prospective budget "more cheaply". Still the riches of the company not is mandatory can mean that it will generously litter money. How you assume to use knowledge of solvency?

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Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL> Image: grandmas .jpg it is similar one of them counterfeit Adidas .

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Re: How to learn what grandmas are twisted at the client? [Autsors, ]

DW> If there are accessories it is possible to look here DW> http://www.rusprofile.ru/ or here - http://www.gks.ru/accounting_report in the original, so to say

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Re: How to learn what grandmas are twisted at the client? [Autsors, ]

Hello, Stanislaw K, you wrote: SK> Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL>> For a long time , but I can not often understand, on what total  and what budget at the client. From accessible  it is normal only last hiring and a site of the company with the prices for a software. SK> and at once, directly to ask the client, for what period and how many he calculates to spend, not? Normally not. I am interested longer and more. The client too floods that at it a heap of projects and operation after it was installed a trust minimum. It to concern to long-term cooperation, which at me of 100 %.

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Hello, K13, you wrote: K13> Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL>> For a long time , but I can not often understand, on what total  and what budget at the client. From accessible  it is normal only last hiring and a site of the company with the prices for a software. K13> and what difference, how many money at the client? Put the price - if it arranges, it pays. K13> does not arrange - means, search for other client (and he is other executor). K13> What for in another's purse to look? Here there is a nuance. If the client rich, we tell more 10. $/year a turn. It can select that for development and 100 and 1. And more at a command. In that case it is possible to expose the hourly rate and the price. Also it would be desirable to know at a stage "before cooperation", on what is possible  and  .

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Re: How to learn what grandmas are twisted at the client? [Autsors, ]

Hello, dimka-writer, you wrote: DW> Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL>> For a long time , but I can not often understand, on what total  and what budget at the client. From accessible  it is normal only last hiring and a site of the company with the prices for a software. TL>> on  often come across rare . After conditional spent 3-4 $, start to ache that many money is merged, a deadline and generally allow to work less or at all the end. TL>> What there are methods to learn approximate profit/turn of the company on software sale? DW> if there are accessories it is possible to look here DW> http://www.rusprofile.ru/ DW> - DW> Dmitry at the Good approach. And for the USA there is a such?

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Hello, rean, you wrote: TL>> What there are methods to learn approximate profit/turn of the company on software sale? R> same does not solve a problem.   for a long time it is already well-known for the status "very cheaply", and there search for executors more cheaply. R> so, it is clear, why there are complaints if it starts to eat the prospective budget "more cheaply". Here I would argue.  12 years and on hands I receive more than at any office on any position. Certainly I work as a rule on 2-3 clients at once. 25-30$/hour is a norm. And the question arose that after conditional 4 $ nested means, at small IT_ starts to burn slightly. And they in turn start whether to adjust, whether to howl, that worked less, passed to a monthly board . More shortly pincers to draw out each one thousand dollars it is necessary. But there were cases that allowed to earn properly. Conditionally 20-30-40., thus there was no pressure (almost) that is necessary more soon-more soon, and that of money is mute. In the large companies at office, it is literally 2 months  kicked. Then 4 more were shaken. R> still the riches of the company not is mandatory can mean that it will generously litter money. R> as you assume to use knowledge of solvency? At least I can expose 30-40$/hour. Or 4-5-6k $/month, knowing that the company rich and affairs at it go uphill. From an underside, happens the Singletons who somewhere have saved one thousand-two and who will squeeze out on this total on the full come across. Here it was to be avoided. And in the first variant - not to sell too cheap.

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Hello, TechL, you wrote: SK>> And at once, directly to ask the client, for what period and how many he calculates to spend, not? TL> it is normal not. Well and in vain. As this one of the major treaty provisions, I normally directly ask one of the first questions on the first round of negotiations, then I specify , then (it can already be on following round) I inform that for the desirable total to make it in full with due quality in desirable periods it is impossible and I raise the price, already having the general with the client reference points. For some rounds of negotiations it is possible to come to  to conditions.

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Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL> On  often come across rare . After conditional spent 3-4 $, start to ache that many money is merged, a deadline and generally allow to work less or at all the end. I suspect that your customers think of you the same such questions it is necessary to solve before the cooperation beginning

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Hello, TechL, you wrote: TL> Frilansju 12 years and on hands I receive more than at any office on any position. Certainly I work as a rule on 2-3 clients at once. TL> In the large companies at office, it is literally 2 months  kicked. Then 4 more were shaken. TL> at least I can expose 30-40$/hour. Or 4-5-6k $/month, knowing that the company rich and affairs at it go uphill. TL> from an underside, happens the Singletons who somewhere have saved one thousand-two and who will squeeze out on this total on the full come across. Here it was to be avoided. TL> and in the first variant - not to sell too cheap. About, and I then had a counter question how to struggle with similar "workers" who take some orders, tighten the project, and thus want the maximum hourly board? I, as a variant, always use fixed price the contract, payment only for result. But it not always is possible, unfortunately, an example - testing. How here to be?

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Hello, Tinman, you wrote: T> I as a variant, always I use fixed price the contract, payment only for result. But it not always is possible, unfortunately, an example - testing. How here to be? It is necessary to take testing on a ful-time or part time. Not so clearly, as the person who hardly remembers your product and its singularities, can something there is adequate . And operation goes in a continuous mode as quality of operation ceases to arrange - it is possible new to find. How it is possible to employ  at 3-5 o'clock? And what for?