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Topic: The relation to labor migration: the Russian Federation vs Ukraine

Found key difference of the West Ukrainian from Russian (or the East Ukrainian, which same Russian). Russian considers what to go to another's country for the purpose of earnings (especially semi-legal) is a humiliation. With contempt Russian look at everyones  Tadjiks and so forth Russian dies for the earth. And the West Ukrainian on the contrary - for many long years farm work considers interesting and useful to work far from the house. As soon as possible - falls down and then therefrom will tell what you there all suckers and how much I am abrupt. Here, the same our Lithuanian BOBKA_XPEH is the labor migrant and for what does not want to be returned on the fatherland. It is other psychology. On it West Ukrainians look at all reforms so: and whether simplifies to us it is possibility normally to earn in Poland, Czechia and so forth the countries. And the East Ukrainian not especially considers a question of labor migration - to it it humiliating. Here, for us the teacher of year began to work as the nurse for the grandfather and does not see in it anything shameful - money that more. And as - it is humiliating to you to go to other country if there pay more?

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Re: The relation to labor migration: the Russian Federation vs Ukraine

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And to you as - it is humiliating to go to other country if there pay more? It would be humiliating to be engaged in stupid operation of the lowest level instead of calling - programming. And BOBKA_XPEH the good fellow, is engaged in favourite business for more money, I do not see in it anything shameful.

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Re: The relation to labor migration: the Russian Federation vs Ukraine

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> On it West Ukrainians look at all reforms so: and whether simplifies to us it is possibility normally to earn in Poland, Czechia and so forth the countries. And the East Ukrainian not especially considers a question of labor migration - to it it humiliating. What in it humiliating?

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Hello, Hobbes, you wrote: H> it would be humiliating to be engaged in stupid operation of the lowest level instead of calling - programming. And BOBKA_XPEH the good fellow, is engaged in favourite business for more money, I do not see in it anything shameful. Why at once the lowest? They are students berries everyone by summer collect. And muzhiks and electricians, both drivers and builders work.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Why at once the lowest? And muzhiks and electricians, both drivers and builders work. Looking, as there go the Central Asian drivers, I would tell that brains forgot to deliver them, there where them did. And especially to electricians brains and skills nevertheless are necessary to the majority of building specialities.

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Hello, wl., you wrote: wl.> That in it humiliating? Instead of building the country -  and wants to live on the ready. East Ukrainians are ready to die for the earth. By the life are ready to protect it. Here such psychology. The West Ukrainian/Lithuanian - at once  there where more warmly also feed better.

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Re: The relation to labor migration: the Russian Federation vs Ukraine

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Russian considers what to go to another's country for the purpose of earnings (especially semi-legal) is a humiliation. That it, S> With contempt Russian look at everyones  Tadjiks and so forth that it - or translation from under , or purposeful lies. Whence you it take? Wanted was to include BOBKA_XPEH mode, but after all under a pan does not transit. I will not assimilate to you - therefore I will tell only for myself. In "another's country to go for the purpose of earnings" - anything humiliating is not present. At people the different purposes and different methods of their achievement. Comprehensible to myself I consider following variants: - business trip -  if needed for the company - impossibility to make the desirable project in the country (the scientific environment, the equipment, something else) About Tadjiks. Thank God that there are people thanks to whom it became pure in a city. Only here recently began to meet rarely Tadjiks-cleaners, more and more Russian.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>... The semi-legal... Farm work... S> Here, the same our Lithuanian BOBKA_XPEH is the labor migrant... Contradictions you do not find? And they are. Vovka does not hasten  on 1 in the USA to go, though has such possibility... Interesting why? At me the British passport and New Zealand the former colony, here at everyone 4 the British passport... About legality, at Vovka of the PERMANENT RESIDENCE in New Zealand. Go wide trousers change you again forgot them to remove... S>... And for what does not want to be returned on the fatherland... Whether On  that? Yes you  and for nothing are not necessary to me, to me  to watch as you "build" the second , I am happy with a show, continue...  with you! Glory ! S>... To it it is humiliating. Humiliating it when on 1 as , but here many other examples as citizens of the Russian Federation were not bad arranged in Google/majkrosofte... And here citizens  for some reason who  who a carcass. . How you think why  could not be the citizen of the Russian Federation? S>... The teacher of year began to work as the nurse for the grandfather... Here and I about the same...  also enjoy, the Polish toilets and a strawberry wait for you ! Glory , glory , glory ... S> And to you as - it is humiliating to go to other country if there pay more? And it is possible still  to earn, in it generally very well pay...  the wife and the daughter on earnings abroad? You really such near or a head  ? http://rsdn.org/poll/6512 the Author: BOBKA_XPEH Date: 06.03 01:07 Question: Shmj produced a heap that with absolute , for example the plane earth why the Russian Federation does not enter the NATO, technical progress and so forth All it is created to present only Ukrainians stupid idiots. But what for it is necessary for it?

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Re: The relation to labor migration: the Russian Federation vs Ukraine

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Russian considers what to go to another's country for the purpose of earnings (especially semi-legal) is a humiliation. With contempt Russian look at everyones  Tadjiks and so forth Lies. Do not confuse Russian to Muscovites. S> and the West Ukrainian on the contrary - for many long years farm work considers interesting and useful to work far from the house. Aha, far away from the wife  new women. S> here, for us the teacher of year began to work as the nurse for the grandfather and does not see in it anything shameful - money that more. Here it is humiliating, agree. Or at it a lime rank of the teacher of year? S> and to you as - it is humiliating to go to other country if there pay more? Looking whom, when and where. Humiliating is a social concept, so? Also there are trades which in the social plan are more advantageous, at smaller earnings.

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Re: The relation to labor migration: the Russian Federation vs Ukraine

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Why at once the lowest?... Because you itself resulted such examples... Though for you it can also achievement, to go on a strawberry in ...... The teacher of year began to work as the nurse for the grandfather and does not see in it anything shameful... http://rsdn.org/forum/flame.politics/7078699.1 the Author: Shmj Date: 12.03 22:02

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Re: The relation to labor migration: the Russian Federation vs Ukraine

Hello, BOBKA_XPEH, you wrote: BOB> At me the British passport and New Zealand the former colony, here at everyone 4 the British passport... About legality, at Vovka of the PERMANENT RESIDENCE in New Zealand. Go wide trousers change you again forgot them to remove... So. It also is a limit of dreams of the labor migrant. Think  ours do not receive, later year, citizenship? And their children already type almost high-grade citizens. Here and you  such - got away that there, here - without a sort without a tribe. And you already obtained citizenship since grew there. And after all some people for the earth give life. S>>... And for what does not want to be returned on the fatherland... Whether BOB> On  that? In Litovushku.

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Re: The relation to labor migration: the Russian Federation vs Ukraine

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> East Ukrainians are ready to die for the earth. By the life are ready to protect it. Here such psychology. Even most  knows that in east  there are factories and enterprise prom... There there is an operation for experts. S> the West Ukrainian/Lithuanian - at once  there where more warmly also feed better. On western  it is possible to work and lead only in cafe Mazoh excursions on caches and . Well and industry development on  you know what... So what difference where beets ? Lithuania on the population is less than Kiev, all economy of Lithuania is trade between EU and the Russian Federation, and port of Klaipeda. Lithuania is the country oriented for export and import. The export share in gross national product total amount in some years reached 80 %. Following the results of for 2016 in a rating of the countries-exporters Lithuanias occupied 66 place that is worthy result for the state with small territory. In 2001 The country became a member of the World Trade Organization and in 2004 entered EU composition that affected development of foreign trade of Lithuania...... Following the results of 2015 export to Russia from Lithuania was reduced to 2,3 billion dollars when in 2014 made 4,5 billion dollars. Thus Russia still remains the trading partner of Lithuania number one...... The Port sends the regular container trains to Odessa and Moscow. Containers, oil products, fertilizers, peat, forest products, foodstuff go preferentially... You in school walked generally?

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Hello, BOBKA_XPEH, you wrote:> On western  it is possible to work and lead only in cafe Mazoh excursions on caches and  It not the reason and a consequence. Here because of this psychology - as soon as possible  and already THEREFROM to tell what you there the remained all suckers are and there is a rotting reason. And, seemingly, living in Ukraine - you imbibed this psychology as milk of mother.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> It not the reason and a consequence...  with you... S>... As soon as possible ... When to you in a back shout a suitcase-station... It  is called? S>... THEREFROM to tell what you there the remained all suckers... I do not tell, I watch as you build great the second ... Glory !  to you under a tail !

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Hello, BOBKA_XPEH, you wrote: S>>... As soon as possible ... BOB> When to you in a back shout a suitcase-station... It  is called? It in what year? Now Russian the such shout on paid provokers. To Lithuanians I do not remember that it shouted.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>... Think  ours do not receive, later year, citizenship?... What difference with what passport to wash toilet bowls? S>... And their children already type almost high-grade citizens. High-grade you ours... S> Here and yours  the such... It worked as the engineer both on  and in England. S> in Litovushku. Vovka in Lithuania was only the tourist, my parents got acquainted in St.-Petersburg at university, and on their allocation sent to Kiev where I and was born. I even do not know the Lithuanian language.

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Re: The relation to labor migration: the Russian Federation vs Ukraine

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> It in what year? Now Russian the such shout on paid provokers... In 90 years shouted still as... It is a phrase was born in 90,  station not actually since   people are preferred by air transport. S>... To Lithuanians I do not remember that it shouted. How to distinguish the Lithuanian from Russian if both speak Russian without accent?