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Topic: Trust to results of Choices 2018

Some companions admit doubt, in correspondence, between the thrown citizens bulletins, and result of voting by polling district, municipal union, to region etc. Perturbs, when it is necessary to hear:" What there to walk? All the same 70-80 draw. Not because _. That is why that heads of various administrations, do not have desire, faintly to look, against remaining. (With result 20-30) "(it is good that fair people on administrations work. On which the country keeps) On my surprise how such generally can be?! (Bulletins are thrown, signatures in obtaining are collected) Received the answer: very simply. - there is some percent not voting (we undersign - it is marked) - And-or, mark in bulletins of remaining candidates, some ticks. Total Why not to print bulletins with a unique QR-code / a bar code. (That for which reading, the equipment is most spread) And after elections to publish a database with records: (Completely which, everyone can download) 3e2mX46niRVRY6uuFdzJ2XgZFaAFwv9AsR - 7 uFdzJwv9AsR2XgZFaAF3e2mX46niRVRY6u - 2 RY6uu3e2mX46niRVwv9AsRFdzJ2XgZFaAF - 7 where the second digit - number of the candidate in the list (for example, 2 - Zhirinovsky V. V, 7 - Putin V. V) To election committees it is not strong  to consider, all of them it is equal on piles decompose. But, any can check up, how its voice is considered. Without knowing, thus, who as voted. Choices will be much more transparent. And it is more convincing. As citizens (who will have doubts), will track that there were no violations, and their voice coincided with that as they voted. In a case, disagreements, always it is possible to lift the bulletin, and to be convinced as there ticks stand. From the closed (strategic/confidential) information only exact number of citizens. Even without any communication with the place of residence, age etc. At cost, not strongly is more expensive than, to equip each section with web-chambers. Why so not to make? In what there can be complexities? In what there can be feeble places (leaving possibility for influence on results hostile hackers)? In what there can be feeble places (happening of disorder, the general computer illiteracy)?

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Re: Trust to results of Choices 2018

Hello, Serjio, you wrote: S> Why so not to make? Voting ceases to be anonymous.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Serjio, you wrote: S> (it is good that fair people on administrations work. On which the country keeps) S> On my surprise how such generally can be?! (Bulletins are thrown, signatures in obtaining are collected) On  voting led - Putin typed 80 %. That proves honesty of choices of willows country scale.

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Hello, Serjio, you wrote: S> Some companions admit doubt, in correspondence, between the thrown citizens bulletins, S> and result of voting by polling district, municipal union, region etc. It depends on that, it is pleasant  or not. Honesty of choices interests only very naive people and . S> Why not to print bulletins with a unique QR-code / a bar code. This description of roll-call vote. And it changes nothing. Compare a referendum in Crimea and events in Kosovo.

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Hello, Serjio, you wrote: S> Why not to print bulletins with a unique QR-code / a bar code. Because a transparency of choices for all participants eliminates possibility of a fake of results. The relish it to implement  in  choices and to make voting completely numeral that  it was accessible to all participants of process.

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Hello, WolfHound, you wrote: WH> Hello, Serjio, you wrote: S>> Why so not to make? WH> voting ceases to be anonymous. (Very strongly was surprised) How ceases to be anonymous?

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Hello, Serjio, you wrote: S> How ceases to be anonymous? Because you it will be possible persistently to ask to vote as it is necessary and to show then proofs of your "free" choice for check. And now you to the bulletin how not to connect, anonymity consists in that and.

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> This description of roll-call vote. ... How here roll-call vote? (Once again very strongly I am surprised. In the same occasion)

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Hello, Serjio, you wrote: S> Why so not to make? Because it is not necessary. The state does not have task "to convince Vasju  that personally its voice is not changed". To the state by and large to sneeze on Vasju P. U the states there is a task to convince all population that results of choices are counted fairly. Once and for all to stop  "the authorities all say lies Putin forged choices!! 11". The described method opposite, makes  more powerful: anonymous authors on the Internet will to declare without adducing any proof not so simply that their voices stole, and to say lies about ostensibly coincided digits. Invent for the state a method to prove that voices are not thrown. Not a specific voice of the anonymous author on the Internet which all the same disappears as soon as business reaches papers, and choices as a whole. With deep arguments to shut a mouth to anonymous authors. Then there is a probability that it will be implemented. And if possibility is a method by-product to check up personally voice - all will be even better.

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Hello, Serjio, you wrote: S> without knowing, thus, who as voted. And how you guarantee, what this code even at output do not compare with you? There now cameras hang, at due resolution they photograph this code.

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Hello, Kernan, you wrote: S>> Why not to print bulletins with a unique QR-code / a bar code. K> because a transparency of choices for all participants eliminates possibility of a fake of results. A transparency of choices for one specific participant in any way does not remove argument that "but here in the Chechen Republic all is forged, same it is obvious". The sect of witnesses  too ignores a transparency of separate results.

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Hello, Serjio, you wrote: what hinders then to throw with some more millions the virtual voices for Putin?

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>> without knowing, thus, who as voted.> and how you guarantee, what even at output do not compare this code with you?> there now cameras hang, at due resolution they photograph this code. Well it just at all a problem. The serious problem - is in other. As the Author told: NWP Date: 12.03 17:45NWP as soon as there is a possibility to the separate voter to check up how its voice is considered, there are interested people who ask to show and to it as voted.

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Re: Trust to results of Choices 2018

Hello, galeta, you wrote: G> On  voting led - Putin typed 80 %. That proves honesty of choices of willows country scale. Whence 80 %? 50 % - http://rsdn.org/poll/6510 the Author Here there are less: RussianFellow Date: 02.03 08:43 Question: For whom you will vote on presidential elections of the Russian Federation on March, 18th, 2018?

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S>> Why so not to make? WH> voting ceases to be anonymous. And figs with it

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NWP> Because you it will be possible persistently to ask to vote as it is necessary and to show then proofs of your "free" choice for check. So it is possible to force to take a picture of the bulletin with the passport. It already from other area a problem.

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Hello, Serjio, you wrote:>>> without knowing, thus, who as voted.>> and how you guarantee, what even at output do not compare this code with you?>> there now cameras hang, at due resolution they photograph this code. S> well it just at all a problem. S> the Serious problem - is in other. S> as the Author told: NWP Date: 12.03 17:45 NWP as soon as there is possibility S> to the separate voter to check up how its voice is considered, S> there are interested people who ask to show and to it as voted. Though, too it is solved. It will be necessary to think. P.S. An old school method. At whom cigarets found. Well it I so., about the...

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Hello, sergeya, you wrote: G>> On  voting led - Putin typed 80 %. That proves honesty of choices of willows country scale. S> whence 80 %? 50 % Here there are less - As considered? 60+5+29+1+1+2+5+8+3+1 =115 60./115 =0.521739 http://rsdn.org/poll/6510 the Author: RussianFellow Date: 02.03 08:43 Question: For whom you will vote on presidential elections of the Russian Federation on March, 18th, 2018?

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: TSP> So it is possible to force to take a picture of the bulletin with the passport. It already from other area a problem. It just that problem which is meant when speak about anonymity of voting. For this reason in bulletins does not happen  numbers. As to a photo, you can to take a picture, for example, of the passport with the bulletin, which anywhere you will not throw not to vote for the hated candidate. Or to take a picture of another's bulletin or, it is banal, . And with a unique identifier, yes which also it is published in open access, at you already anything similar does not quit. Then the society will struggle with discrimination when at employment you will ask to show yours qr the code from the last choices. You want so?

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NWP> then the society Will struggle with discrimination when at employment you will ask to show yours qr the code from the last choices. You want so? On such operation it is better not to be arranged. Clearly that it is the compromise form between a transparency and a privacy. But I will remind that a key for voice review in this circuit not the public. That it is necessary to receive it or to have the consent voting, or to put upon it pressure. The second variant is a crime.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: TSP> On such operation it is better not to be arranged. So another will not be! It certainly anti-Utopia it is easy to me to present such world. Especially, if the society is set up on two camps on type republicans vs. Democrats. If the system with a binding of your voice to you exists a little long and it probably to learn, let even on demand you it is very probable that there will be such form of discrimination. And there open space a fuck-up what. You want to take a mortgage? Please - 5 % of annual interest rates, ah at you are not present QR the code? Then 10. Voted for ? - The Russian spy is dismissed! Looking at a hysteria with Trampom in the USA in such willingly it is trusted Not, it is possible to go to other bank which is supervised by other batch certainly. But then all struggle of batches will be reduced to influence on such banks. At whom more than such points, that also will win choices

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: TSP> But I will remind that a key for voice review in this circuit not the public. Pogodi ive. It as? How you then itself will check up?

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Not representative sampling. Here if choices happened on RSDN, yes... But choices on all country, where the Internet and on... It is not necessary...