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Topic: The failure from a socialism was falling back

It is difficult to put into words. (Countries BSSSR) convinced us that the idea of creation of communism - "is impractical". That it is a utopia. We checked, started to build capitalism. But when you look at these grabbers who steal from the people and build to yourself palaces/hide money under accounts oversea - you understand that the idea of capitalism is even more impractical. And it still the big utopia, all this nonsense about the free market. And still. You understand that we rolled down back. That the idea of communism not in all was exact and needed in corrections, but its main postulates much more correct (bringing result to a society), than capitalism postulates. Old men-kommunjaki argue more correctly, state more exact estimation to an event. They constructed more, reached . They long learned not to be egoists, to understand that you a part of a society and cannot be happy alone among the poor people. Now  any evil spirits, dvoeshniki-hooligans-thieves which the cleverest because live in a palace think that and their machine is more expensive. Level of their social responsibility very low (practically misses). And I here think - whether specially it has been made, whether it is natural process?

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This first your performance where it is not visible  your brain, gallantly! If as a matter of fact to creep easier, than to fly...

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And I here think - whether specially it has been made, whether it is natural process? If to speak about VIABILITY capitalism is really more viable than communism. The communism (in its initial, true, Utopian sense) is the system implying people of certain quality, to which to existing people as to the moon a cancer. Therefore on that human material that we have on a planet now, the communism is obviously impossible. The understanding of this simple fact removes all contradictions and opens road to the further speculations: how to refine a human type as that. Misunderstanding of this fact forces again and again  in lockups as if a fly in glass, to argue on political subjects and other dregs. And the MOST VIABLE - bacteria. They survive under such extremal conditions which are deadly to any other types. So not only in survival rate here business.

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Hello, , you wrote: > the Stockholm syndrome And at you a syndrome of Polyhaeva. Make already general-purpose stamp, and  in all subjects.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And I here think - whether specially it has been made, whether it is natural process? Everywhere, where built a socialism, the toilet paper came to an end. In capitalism, despite low social responsibility and so on, an ass normally to eat than wipe.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Now  any evil spirits, dvoeshniki-hooligans-thieves which the cleverest because live in a palace think that and their machine is more expensive. Level of their social responsibility very low (practically misses). S> And I here think - whether specially it has been made, whether it is natural process? For Ukraine the failure from a socialism in comparison with a current state of affairs was really falling back. For I remember Soviet period in Ukraine, it, is called, that USSR which I in the native city did not see line, I had rather worthless USSR, not such as it is extolled by Muscovites and approached to a feeding trough. Here only without RSFSR in Ukraine such socialism would be impossible. And after 1991 year too I remember, in Russia there was a bum, but in Ukraine the bum was still big, there all became millionaires (in the bad sense, in sense of a hyperinflation) it is ready before Russians. Here also think better of, whether it was necessary to separate and the more so to lead to the power of the swine frankly hostilely adjusted to Russia. Ridiculously that least from decay of the USSR Russia in practice lost. And if not to disorganize the country, and smoothly to move all together to the market as in China, now on all post-Soviet territory there would be generally paradise.

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> Everywhere where built a socialism, the toilet paper came to an end. In capitalism, despite low social responsibility and so on, an ass normally to eat than wipe. To trifles really gave not enough attention. It is not difficult for correcting.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> it is difficult to put into words. S> (countries BSSSR) convinced us that the idea of creation of communism - "is impractical". That it is a utopia. S> we checked, started to build capitalism. But when you look at these grabbers who steal from the people and build to yourself palaces/hide money under accounts oversea - you understand that the idea of capitalism is even more impractical. And it still the big utopia, all this nonsense about the free market. It is all truly, while you in the very bottom. And as hardly hardly you become richer, and you at a socialism begin taxes and other to smother - at once you understand that is not present, all the same the idea of capitalism is not too bad.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>> Everywhere where built a socialism, the toilet paper came to an end. In capitalism, despite low social responsibility and so on, an ass normally to eat than wipe. S> to trifles really gave not enough attention. It is not difficult for correcting. For the last hundred years at anybody it did not turn out.

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> Everywhere where built a socialism, the toilet paper came to an end. In capitalism, despite low social responsibility and so on, an ass normally to eat than wipe. In Asia it is accepted to be washed away and not to spend a paper.

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S>> to Trifles really gave not enough attention. It is not difficult for correcting. S> for the last hundred years at anybody it did not turn out. Yes it is fine. Even the poor country of type of the North Korea could launch space companions. Anything more perfect in our world while is not present.

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Hello, anonymouse2, you wrote: A> how to refine a human type as that. In the world where capitalism - in any way bosses. Thus separate people can have fine moral qualities and high social responsibility.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G> It is all truly, while you in the very bottom. And as hardly hardly you become richer, and you at a socialism begin taxes and other to smother - at once you understand that is not present, all the same the idea of capitalism is not too bad. It is obvious that under capitalism who well is to those more richly, and at a socialism to those who is poorer. In what system  an amount of people remain in a scoring count.

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> For the last hundred years at anybody it did not turn out. At China it turned out?

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Hello, galeta, you wrote: S>>> to Trifles really gave not enough attention. It is not difficult for correcting. S>> for the last hundred years at anybody it did not turn out. G> yes it is fine. Even the poor country of type of the North Korea could launch space companions. Anything more perfect in our world while is not present. As it appeared, companions to launch easier, than to provide the population with a toilet paper.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>> For the last hundred years at anybody it did not turn out. S> at China it turned out? It seemed to me that in China capitalism, in the big level.

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> As it appeared, companions to launch easier, than to provide the population with a toilet paper. Frequently in Asia  there is no rolled paper in toilets - instead of this flank with . With  it is difficult to Russian to accept it.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Old men-kommunjaki argue more correctly, state more exact estimation to an event. They constructed more, reached . They long learned not to be egoists, to understand that you a part of a society and cannot be happy alone among the poor people. You think.  you will soon grow that you will start Lenin to read.

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> Everywhere where built a socialism, the toilet paper came to an end. In capitalism, despite low social responsibility and so on, an ass normally to eat than wipe. Still nobody died of absence of a toilet paper. And here from absence of meal - quite. If , Liberia is too capitalism. That is characteristic, the toilet paper there is, but...

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> As it appeared, companions to launch easier, than to provide the population with a toilet paper. So after all provided. And it when were engaged in something at all to those came to an end.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G> It is all truly, while you in the very bottom. And as hardly hardly you become richer, and you at a socialism begin taxes and other to smother - at once you understand that is not present, all the same the idea of capitalism is not too bad. , youth! At a socialism taxes smother nobody, because of absence of taxes (I now not about 12 % income). Instead is  (Department on struggle against plunders of the socialist property).

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Hello, alpha21264, you wrote: A> Eh, youth! A> at a socialism taxes smother nobody, because of absence of taxes (I now not about 12 % income). 12 % - not the tax?

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Hello, alpha21264, you wrote: S>> Everywhere where built a socialism, the toilet paper came to an end. In capitalism, despite low social responsibility and so on, an ass normally to eat than wipe. A> if , Liberia is too capitalism. Not all capitalist countries well live are other correct statement.

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Before to speak about communism, a socialism and capitalism, it is necessary it will be defined with terms. As an educational program a roller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHH13eR5J1I the Main line of capitalism: these are instruments of labor bourgeoisies belong, it takes away all profit, the state is not enough in it interferes, the Main line of a socialism: instruments of labor belong or bourgeoisies, but the state takes away the most part of profit and arranges, or as in the USSR instruments of labor belonged to the state, however as well as profit. The main line of communism: instruments of labor belong to workers. Examples from an antiquity: artel, the handicraftsman, a common example from the present: the startup, which else is not present any hired worker. Opensource the same communism as the instrument of labor and results belong to community. If to tell about the USSR instruments of labor belonged to the state and as consequence the state built system as it is accepted in each separate firm - planning... I.e. a planned economy. I.e. Accurately to plan consumption and demand... The notorious human factor became the Main lack of such system: what for to work, if and so you will receive the blessings, and the tendency in consumption was not given by varieties... In general it turned out many many factors which to consider and calculate not probably... As to system not evolutionary - with feeble variability and without selection, eventually it it appeared it is not steady... It was feeblly set up under needs of a society and changing world... Capitalism is fine evolutionary model... Which is steadiest. In it attempt to earn, receive a profit leads to variability, and supply and demand laws lead to selection... Capitalism is cyclic, in it permanently there are crises... As the selection form... It naturally and living in such economy to crises it is necessary to be ready. . This problem also tried to solve Marx and Engels, trying to rebuild system, to leave from crises and attempt to plan and calculate is one of these ways... The person is reasonable... Actually absence  and recurrence causes to that the first who suffers is a proletarian... Problems are at his expense solved... And here the human factor is again important... What for to plow on the capitalist for pennies when it is possible not to work, but also to plunder it... Eventually the capital came to a conclusion, especially against the USSR that costs shares also the majority of the countries of Europe there was as a matter of fact a social capitalism... When the capital pays not small taxes... On it all over the world there are now two tendencies - the big socialization, socialist parties. There are also their antagonists - is more right to the capital, it is less taxes... Normally it is conservatives...  opposite to a socialism and communism is a fascism, there  the liberal economy was in favor of industrial sector. . All of us we remember in Germany mega corporations that received  during the Second World War... The Same company IBM received profits of the third Reich on the railways on which carried people in a concentration camp... Or Coca-Cola... Or for example as a matter of fact  dictatorship in Greece (black generals) or in Chile or the most successful example - South Korea... Where till 1991 there was a military dictatorship... And all worked and work till now without social warranties (there there are no paid holidays, there are no sick-lists)... In general here so... Here there is no correct or is not correct, and there are different levels of control and possibility to calculate for them, to plan... For example business the plan quite to itself a normal thing, here costs as in stability of model... And other factors.

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S>> And I here think - whether specially it has been made, whether it is natural process? S> everywhere where built a socialism, the toilet paper came to an end. In capitalism, despite low social responsibility and so on, an ass normally to eat than wipe. The phrases beaten to banality produce only absence of experience: in  a deficit of a toilet paper never was