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Topic: Gorbachev about Putin

Gorbachev: "Putin  from 90-s', it did not select it seized power": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NDLKMpUJW8

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> Gorbachev: "Putin  from 90-s', it did not select it seized power": whether again that at it money came to an end, and it wanted new grants

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> Gorbachev: "Putin  from 90-s', it did not select it seized power": Well so each my second post contains: "does not leave yet last foreheads 90-s', in the Russian Federation changes nothing"

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> Gorbachev: "Putin  from 90-s', it did not select it seized power": RF> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NDLKMpUJW8 the Judgement of the subject with such successful experience of a country government is very important for us.

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> Gorbachev: "Putin  from 90-s', it did not select it seized power": RF> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NDLKMpUJW8 Michael Sergeevich is certainly right, only to whom it is interesting? For Russia there are no Progressors and Tsivilizatorov which would draw out it in a democratic society. In that multi-party system when all should agree with all and to search for the decisions arranging all (instead of to vote all thought solidly under laws lowered of ). So it is necessary to get out, transit this historical way with the natural speed corresponding - alas - speeds of alternation of generations.

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Hello, anonymouse2, you wrote: A> when all should agree with all and to search for the decisions arranging all And it is dogma what is good so? Or under it there are any bases? Simply in my opinion, the most successful model is when there is the authoritative manual listening, however, to ideas from below, and in any way  buttings of the rested rams with  sights.

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Hello, T4r4sB, you wrote: TB> the Judgement of the subject with such successful experience of a country government is very important for us. Certainly successful experience. He/she is the Nobel winner! And that disorganized the country, such, costs of successful control.

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Hello, anonymouse2, you wrote: A>... It is certainly right... To You a plus from a gang.... It is a minus 100500 from a karma...

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A> For Russia there are no Progressors and Tsivilizatorov which would draw out it in a democratic society. In that multi-party system when all should agree with all and to search for the decisions arranging all Well I looked - that such "a democratic society" By the way, the two-party system is multi-party? And in a situation when exists (more precisely already there was) a two-party consensus? And how agree with the same alternative of Germany which is the representative of enough big layer of German voters? Or with Le of Foams... Personal , there is certain "a democratic society" in vacuum. But upon there are big questions to all countries.

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Hello, alsemm, you wrote: A> Certainly successful experience. He/she is the Nobel winner! And that disorganized the country, such, costs of successful control. The impression is added that the people amicably got under way mind. Generally Gorbachev tried to save the union which then already went to pieces. Gorbachev rushed with the new allied contract which on idea should please all. But it was not possible to save to it, " triple" ground among themselves and disorganized the country. It is possible to accuse certainly Gorbachev that he did not command them immediately to arrest, but as here wrote, not the fact that its order would be fulfilled, because it in the people was not so popular. At Yeltsin of popularity was much more. And here now all amicably cry out that Gorbachev disorganized the country. People, you in the mind? . If you imply socialism destruction for it it should put a monument country disorder.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> it is simple in my opinion, the most successful model is when there is the authoritative manual listening, however, to ideas from below... And doing all in own way. That that socialist ideas can be popular it it is not surprising, cheapskates and idlers are everywhere. But here never would think that ideas of dictatorship can be the popular.

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Hello, anonymouse2, you wrote: A> For Russia there are no Progressors and Tsivilizatorov which would draw out it in a democratic society. Judging by answers to your post, democracy for Russia is not necessary.  the dictator is necessary to ours, he will idolize him, and to listen to judgements of different candidates, moreover and to solve thus whose program is it not under force better.

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> the impression Is added that the people amicably got under way mind. A good entrance. Directly  the victorious beginning of speech of talented orator Q> Generally Gorbachev tried to save the union which then already went to pieces. Gorbachev rushed with the new allied contract which on idea should please all. So him accuse that he and created conditions at which it was necessary to rush with this contract. And for some reason former  relations too pleased all. Or so simply it seemed, or it simply seemed that  the allied contract could please all the Fact only that did not please, and there was that happens. Q> But to it it was not possible to save, " triple" ground among themselves and disorganized the country. There was no already the USSR at the time of " triples", triple wrote out certificate on death. Aha, liquidated "legal body" Q> It is possible to accuse certainly Gorbachev that he did not command them immediately to arrest, but as here wrote, not the fact that its order would be fulfilled, because it in the people was not so popular. At Yeltsin of popularity was much more. Here you know all and remember. Q> and here now all amicably cry out that Gorbachev disorganized the country. People, you in the mind? Q> . If you imply socialism destruction for it it should put a monument country disorder. So one without another did not turn out, both a link - publicity and democracy. Here in China did without them and it turned out. But it does not mean that at us it could turn out as in China.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> That that socialist ideas can be popular it it is not surprising, cheapskates and idlers are everywhere. At you representation about a socialism of similar times very much after the USSR. There was no it there, even hints does not remain. The socialism is social justice. All remaining alluvial. You that against justice? Against equality of start possibilities? Q> but here never would think that ideas of dictatorship can be the popular. Ideas of the strong power which is capable to put things in order and protect interests of the country, instead of dictatorships are popular.

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: the C> the Socialism is social justice. All remaining alluvial. You that against justice? Against equality of start possibilities? The socialism this that that is - economic system with state ownership on means of production. And to play search of combinations of letters it is not necessary, to us of one Zadornov playing these games was .... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Q> Judging by answers to your post, democracy for Russia is not necessary.  the dictator is necessary to ours, he will idolize him, and to listen to judgements of different candidates, moreover and to solve thus whose program is it not under force better. Well at  and  "" in general not bad lived if to compare that at them now and will be in the nearest years 50. But a horse-radish with it with dictators.  the main thing to remove from the power, and it is desirable to destroy thieves physically. After all even hotly favourite your great and awful only the protege of a family .

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: the C>> the Socialism is social justice. All remaining alluvial. You that against justice? Against equality of start possibilities? P> a socialism this that that is - economic system with state ownership on means of production. Can be with public? You do not confuse charisma to fried eggs. A socialism, educate. P> and to play search of combinations of letters it is not necessary, to us of one Zadornov playing these games was . Well, well. And consider that language and words are given us from above, instead of appeared as a result of development. You will far go!

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: the C> Can be with public? You do not confuse charisma to fried eggs. Public in practice always becomes state. A C> Well, well. And consider that language and words are given us from above, instead of appeared as a result of development. You will far go! I consider that words to use so that other people understood as them too most, instead of trying to manipulate others, to tangle them or to try to impose game by words the sights.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: the C>> Can be with public? You do not confuse charisma to fried eggs. P> public in practice always becomes state. It is necessary to add only that such practice did not transit check. The public property on means of production should be supervised by all society, its any part each person, any the state managers. In essence that all society. A C>> Well, well. And consider that language and words are given us from above, instead of appeared as a result of development. You will far go! P> I consider that words to use so that other people understood as them too most, instead of trying to manipulate others, to tangle them or to try to impose game by words the sights. To tangle other people to impose the sights really ugly. You want to tell that when someone explains initial sense of a word it you tangles and tries to impose something?

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: Q>> Generally Gorbachev tried to save the union which then already went to pieces. Gorbachev rushed with the new allied contract which on idea should please all. P> so him accuse that he and created conditions at which it was necessary to rush with this contract. And for some reason former  relations too pleased all. From what you solved? Those conditions formed for 70 years of a socialism, they formed within 18 years of Brezhnev's board, for which he had time to bother all (as well as Putin now which already corrects longer Brezhnev), , arisen after it. And understanding it, Gorbachev began reforms. But it seemed to people that if they separate from the USSR can lead them faster, than it is done by Gorbachev. In it there were separatism reasons, instead of in that that the USSR was not pleasant. Q>> but to it it was not possible to save, " triple" ground among themselves and disorganized the country. P> was not already the USSR at the time of " triples", triple wrote out certificate on death. Aha, liquidated "legal body" of Oga, in March no death existed also people voted for the union, and in the autumn already there came death. Q>> . If you imply socialism destruction for it it should put a monument country disorder. P> so one without another did not turn out, both a link - publicity and democracy. Here in China did without them and it turned out. But it does not mean that at us it could turn out as in China. Why? We have any basic differences from Chineses?

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: the C> need to be added only that such practice did not transit check. And not to forget that other practice was not. A C> the Public property on means of production should be supervised by all society, its any part each person, any the state managers. In essence that all society. These are the mere words, all society can systematically and systematically something supervises only through state institutes. A C> You want to tell that when someone explains initial sense of a word it you tangles and tries to impose something?  know - in the USSR there was a socialism,  and remember that this such and in what expressed. And leave a socialism of the USSR, not  for a word  sense and do not tangle interlocutors.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q>... And doing all in own way. And it it depends. If listens, precisely does not discard thoughtlessly. Q> that that socialist ideas can be popular it it is not surprising, cheapskates and idlers are everywhere. But here never would think that ideas of dictatorship can be the popular. Idea of a schizophrenia in the power too not so, because of it a heap of not simply problems, and and artificial, for no reason. Recall recent events with the budget of the USA when operation of a part of structures has been paralysed. But I not about dictatorship, mechanisms there can be absolutely others; for example, one business as they control the state, and another - as come to power.

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Hello, Cornetov, you wrote: Q>> That that socialist ideas can be popular it it is not surprising, cheapskates and idlers are everywhere. A C> At you representation about a socialism of similar times very much after the USSR. There was no it there, even hints does not remain. Cornetov, you me  the obstinacy. The socialism is that was in the USSR, on determination! And if I write "socialism" I mean that was in the USSR. The C> the Socialism is social justice. Here also write always: social justice. And about a socialism forget, because it is that nasty thing that was in the USSR. A C> You that against justice? Besides depends that you imply it. Justice - concept subjective. A C> Against equality of start possibilities? Well here you see - you already made justice determination, in your opinion this equality of start possibilities. But also it too concept extensible. Yes, I for that that all capable children could get good education. But I against the prohibition of the inheritance. Q>> but here never would think that ideas of dictatorship can be the popular. Cs> Are popular ideas of the strong power which is capable to put things in order and protect interests of the country, instead of dictatorships. Yes where it to take? If to the power the dictator who does not depend on the people comes, what for to it of those  to care?

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Hello, qwertyuiop, you wrote: Q> From what you solved? Those conditions formed for 70 years of a socialism, they formed within 18 years of Brezhnev's board, for which he had time to bother all (as well as Putin now which already corrects longer Brezhnev), And what claims to allied relations? Not today's understanding, and with of that time, here at you personally they were? Q> , arisen after it. Why after? At it Q> And understanding it, Gorbachev began reforms. But it seemed to people that if they separate from the USSR can lead them faster, than it is done by Gorbachev. In it there were separatism reasons, instead of in that that the USSR was not pleasant. That is to be divided decided faster to lead  reforms? And it is exact ? Or by then about that what reforms are necessary, and what judgement already diametrically is not present were divided, and at all on boundaries of republics. Q> Oga, in March no death existed also people voted for the union, and in the autumn already there came death. Has no value. De facto Gorbachev pushed through that referendum as a vote  to itself personally and the policy, but it is final lost the power and became scenery after August. Recall, in September even allied authorities including  liquidated replacing with their any not clear structures, as a matter of fact the liquidating commissions. Q> why? We have any basic differences from Chineses? About it at Javlinsky somehow expressed, and it is a rare occurence when I with it agree - reforms on the Chinese sample were possible in the USSR approximately prior to the beginning 60.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>