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Topic: The lock vs a fortress

Hello! And I will outline ow on a pseudo-historical subject and about Europeans vs Russian Here across Europe we travel: Germany - the lock such, the lock . France. Czechia there, Austria any - locks, locks... Russia -  Pskov,  Novgorod,  such,  . Monasteries, besides, as fortresses - same Kirillo-Beozersky, like Poles choked with it. Where in Russia there are locks? The Kremlin is that? This place at settlement center where in case of an attack of the enemy commoners from suburbs took cover also. And what such the lock? The lock is a slot from which the backward graph-baron made incursions on environmental settlements Both there and there walls from stones, but the nuance  is...

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Re: The lock vs a fortress

Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> the Kremlin is that? This place at settlement center where in case of an attack of the enemy commoners from suburbs took cover also. M> and what such the lock? The lock is a slot from which the backward graph-baron made incursions on environmental settlements In medieval cities there were walls and other defensive works so it was possible to tell that analog  a city. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_wall

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Hello, nekocoder, you wrote: M>> the Kremlin is that? This place at settlement center where in case of an attack of the enemy commoners from suburbs took cover also. M>> and what such the lock? The lock is a slot from which the backward graph-baron made incursions on environmental settlements N> In medieval cities there were walls and other defensive works so it was possible to tell that analog  a city. , what concerning locks?

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> And what such the lock? The lock is a slot from which the backward graph-baron made incursions on environmental settlements To me is thought that good walls with loopholes and a ditch with water to the column were necessary to beat off from other graphs, instead of from peasants. From peasants the normal wall above would suffice. Those solidifyings which were to the tataro-Mongolian yoke, generally were not saved. And after a yoke the power in Russia already has been substantially centralized also civil strifes had no so mass character, as in Europe so locks were not required. Already since the last Ryurik dynasty all court intrigues were resolved in capital. It was easier to whisper to the tsar that any graph "not very much and the graph" and to achieve disgrace for this purpose, than to run with guns from one manor to another.

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Hello, Artem Korneev, you wrote: M>> And what such the lock? The lock is a slot from which the backward graph-baron made incursions on environmental settlements AK> To me is thought that good walls with loopholes and a ditch with water to the column were necessary to beat off from other graphs, instead of from peasants. From peasants the normal wall above would suffice. Other graph-baron burns out all your backward peasants. To live from a quitrent on backward - not a variant, remains nobody. To plunder strangers - well, to skip hardly further, yes. AK> Those solidifyings which were to the tataro-Mongolian yoke, generally were not saved. And after a yoke the power in Russia already has been substantially centralized also civil strifes had no so mass character, as in Europe so locks were not required. Already since the last Ryurik dynasty all court intrigues were resolved in capital. It was easier to whisper to the tsar that any graph "not very much and the graph" and to achieve disgrace for this purpose, than to run with guns from one manor to another. The yoke like and across the same east Europe swept. Locks stand. On the other hand, the yoke is not reached the same Novgorod - and locks - are not present

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> Ok, what concerning locks? Wikipedia writes: However locks in direct understanding of this word - hardened dwellings of feudal lords - in Russia practically did not exist. One of the reasons of it  it was right: the feudal sorts permanently living in certain residence, no, and the majority of princes throughout the life changed some possession, therefore they had special motivation permanently to strengthen the dwellings. The link

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Hello, nekocoder, you wrote: M>> Ok, what concerning locks? N> Wikipedia writes: N> N> However locks in direct understanding of this word - hardened dwellings of feudal lords - in Russia practically did not exist. One of the reasons of it  it was right: the feudal sorts permanently living in certain residence, no, and the majority of princes throughout the life changed some possession, therefore they had special motivation permanently to strengthen the dwellings. N> the link of Hm. In Russia the power is always closer to the people, I suspected it

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M>>> And what such the lock? The lock is a slot from which the backward graph-baron made incursions on environmental settlements AK>> To me is thought that good walls with loopholes and a ditch with water to the column were necessary to beat off from other graphs, instead of from peasants. From peasants the normal wall above would suffice. M> other graph-baron burns out all your backward peasants. You assumed that for protection of peasants fortresses (""), instead of locks are necessary. Fortresses are. M> the yoke like and across the same east Europe swept. Locks stand. In the Eastern Europe locks were actively used all period of the Middle Ages. Them there repaired, renewed, completed. And in Russia if was that - collapsed, and building materials took away for building of rural clubs of churches. M> on the other hand, the yoke is not reached the same Novgorod - and locks - are not present the Novgorod fortress "Nutlet" quite resembles the lock.

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Hello, Artem Korneev, you wrote: AK> you assumed that for protection of peasants fortresses (""), instead of locks are necessary. Fortresses are. Fortresses not locks. Though fortresses - too are. I do not deny a quantity of zealous feudal lords and in Europe M>> the Yoke like and across the same east Europe swept. Locks stand. AK> in the Eastern Europe locks were actively used all period of the Middle Ages. Them there repaired, renewed, completed. And in Russia if was that - collapsed, and building materials took away for building of rural clubs of churches. Aha. Steal. Russia. M>> On the other hand, the yoke is not reached the same Novgorod - and locks - are not present AK> the Novgorod fortress "Nutlet" quite resembles the lock. It is everything, what resembles?

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> Both there and there walls from stones, but the nuance  is... The more I learn about Russian, our ancestors, - the it is more than pride. Europe in fleas walked - Russian in baths were soared. Europe did inquisition - Russian touched nobody. And recently had heard plenty of slavjano-Aryans of everyones and itself partially it checked - where there's smoke there's fire. Probably our ancestors were very noble and in it there was their minus - could not fall to lie and intrigues, on it them and . And generally from personal experience - Russian people in a shower good-natured persons. There is no in them not a cunning insidiousness. Nobleness and justice, aspiration to help without any self-interest. Badly that cut from hopelessness. Cannot accept the cruel world and cruel game rules - become an inveterate drunkard.

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Re: The lock vs a fortress

Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> And I will outline ow on a pseudo-historical subject and about Europeans vs Russian M> Here across Europe we travel: Germany - the lock such, the lock . France. Czechia there, Austria any - locks, locks... M> Russia -  Pskov,  Novgorod,  such,  . Monasteries, besides, as fortresses - same Kirillo-Beozersky, like Poles choked with it. As well as in Germany. At each city - the walls. And in the Whale exactly as. M> Where in Russia there are locks? Were not able to build. More truly, there were manors, but with wooden walls

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S> Europe did inquisition - Russian touched nobody. Fire and a sword... https://scisne.net/a-81

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> Where in Russia there are locks? Is not present in Russia of locks, in Russia the role of locks was fulfilled by palaces. M> the Kremlin is that? A wall with towers. M> and what such the lock? An administrative center. M> both there and there walls from stones, but the nuance  is... Generally anything the general.

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> Where in Russia there are locks? Ivangorod. Vyborg. Priozersk. . M> the Kremlin is that? This place at settlement center where in case of an attack of the enemy commoners from suburbs took cover also. M> and what such the lock? The lock is a slot from which the backward graph-baron made incursions on environmental settlements Actually a poppycock all it. The Kremlin and the lock - the functional synonyms.

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Hello, Marty, you wrote: M> Russia -  Pskov,  Novgorod,  such,  . Monasteries, besides, as fortresses - same Kirillo-Beozersky, like Poles choked with it. Well is not all Russia, more its western part. M> the Kremlin is that? This place at settlement center where in case of an attack of the enemy commoners from suburbs took cover also. M> and what such the lock? The lock is a slot from which the backward graph-baron made incursions on environmental settlements I heard this "" once for a long time, only about locks was said that the lock - for defense of local elite against dissatisfied lackeys. M> both there and there walls from stones, but the nuance  is... I still will add - once for a long time in the west of present Russia democracy rather not bad worked, self-management and the transnational competitive environment we recall Pskov - about its veche where there was a pluralism of judgements and compromise decisions for a society were carried out. With its markets on which merchants from the different countries traded. And on  Varangians were invited, whose abstracts were carefully studied, they transited interview and received dzhob-offer from a local society. Walls built on self-management principles - jointly, for population protection - and  enemies transited the exterior walls, all people took cover with boyars and fought with them shoulder to shoulder in Except. Them, walls, by the way was the whole 5 rings on peak - it was now saved only 3. However, permanently someone wanted to crush Pskov under itself(himself) - that Novgorod (at which with democracy was worse) Europeans (at those generally values at level of the dark Middle Ages stuck), and then and Moscow with its totalitarianism and the centralized power.

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Hello, MasterZiv, you wrote: MZ> Ivangorod. Vyborg. Priozersk. . About others I will not tell, about Izborsk I know - was there never the lock. It was the fortress where local residents of this Pskov suburb + a defense boundary on the distant approaches, substantiated if needed from Pskov took cover.

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Hello, the Daisy wheel, you wrote: Is not present in Russia of locks, in Russia the role of locks was fulfilled by palaces. You them saw? It never solidifyings, simply big magnificent house with park.

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Hello, viellsky, you wrote: V> About others I will not tell, about Izborsk I know - was there never the lock. It was the fortress where local residents of this Pskov suburb + a defense boundary on the distant approaches, substantiated if needed from Pskov took cover. It still a question who whose suburb was 800-1000 years ago.

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Hello, Skorodum, you wrote: V>> About others I will not tell, about Izborsk I know - was there never the lock. It was the fortress where local residents of this Pskov suburb + a defense boundary on the distant approaches, substantiated if needed from Pskov took cover. S> it still a question who whose suburb was 800-1000 years ago.  or Pskov? Yes there is such question - Izborsk no 1000 as suburb of Pskov.

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Hello, viellsky, you wrote: S>> It still a question who whose suburb was 800-1000 years ago. V> Izborsk or Pskov? Yes there is such question - Izborsk no 1000 as suburb of Pskov. In annals of Izborsk it is mentioned for 50 years before Pskov, formally "suburb" it became at Olga.

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Hello, Skorodum, you wrote: S> Hello, viellsky, you wrote: S>>> It still a question who whose suburb was 800-1000 years ago. V>> Izborsk or Pskov? Yes there is such question - Izborsk no 1000 as suburb of Pskov. S> in annals of Izborsk it is mentioned for 50 years before Pskov, formally "suburb" it became at Olga. Yes - and it was further than 800-1000 years designated by you. And that to a fortress (about which there was a speech) - that its that just constructed when already suburb was.

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S> And recently had heard plenty of slavjano-Aryans of everyones and itself partially it checked Continue, continue!

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Europe in fleas walked - Russian in baths were soared. Romans in baths consider lived. In the Middle Ages, yes, began to consider that ablution is a sacred ceremony, and is more useless it to use utilitarianly. S> Europe did inquisition - Russian touched nobody. In Hristianstov exhausted, as already here mentioned, fire and we throw. Later, conservatives  on hurrah. S> Probably our ancestors were very noble and in it there was their minus - could not fall to lie and intrigues, on it them and . Many moments of history of board of Ryurik dynasty quite successfully moved under "the necessary" sauce at Romanovs. After governors of the USSR, behind them - new Russia said lies. And this roundabout proceeds. It is not necessary to idealize politicians, they everywhere the identical. S> and generally from personal experience - Russian people in a shower good-natured persons. There is no in them not a cunning insidiousness. Nobleness and justice, aspiration to help without any self-interest. And that truth, Mavrodi with you agrees. S> it is bad that cut from hopelessness. Cannot accept the cruel world and cruel game rules - become an inveterate drunkard. Well so the state also took a hand in soldering of the people by cheap state vodka in 19 century. Before, strong alcohol was not much on-pocket.

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Re: The lock vs a fortress

Hello, ZevS, you wrote: S>> Europe in fleas walked - Russian in baths were soared. ZS> Romans in baths consider lived. So from Romans the third also went  ZS> To the Middle Ages, yes, began to consider that ablution is a sacred ceremony, and is more useless it to use utilitarianly. Catholics... S>> Europe did inquisition - Russian touched nobody. ZS> in Hristianstov exhausted, as already here mentioned, fire and we throw. Later, conservatives  on hurrah. It agree. Conservatives but became tempered in Guslitsky bogs S>> Probably our ancestors were very noble and in it there was their minus - could not fall to lie and intrigues, on it them and . S>> And generally from personal experience - Russian people in a shower good-natured persons. There is no in them not a cunning insidiousness. Nobleness and justice, aspiration to help without any self-interest. ZS> and that truth, Mavrodi with you agrees. Even on a surname it Greek S>> it is bad that cut from hopelessness. Cannot accept the cruel world and cruel game rules - become an inveterate drunkard. ZS> well so the state also took a hand in soldering of the people by cheap state vodka in 19 century. Before, strong alcohol was not much on-pocket. It agree. It is better to drink beer and . Well or on tincture grasses. Absinthe liqueur

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Hello, ZevS, you wrote: S>> And generally from personal experience - Russian people in a shower good-natured persons. There is no in them not a cunning insidiousness. Nobleness and justice, aspiration to help without any self-interest. ZS> and that truth, Mavrodi with you agrees.  - the Greek. At a surname look - whence Russian can have such surname? Stalin actually at all  and Dzhugashvili. The Georgian. Give the present bad Russian.