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Yes it is normal - the first foreign language an English, second foreign language on a choice (French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese etc.). The more foreign languages the person - the better knows! The main thing that it has been correctly organized at schools.

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> As though in  (casually found out) the answer to the question: 70 % of Russians do not own any of foreign languages. I saw such pictures about English language by results of transcription 2010: across Moscow - https://kireev.livejournal.com/1048693.html across Russia - https://kireev.livejournal.com/1046255.html about 70 % not knowing languages they do not refute the Statement, but if them to add together, there is a suspicion that our people know still any foreign languages a little conceding on popularity to English.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: the C>> Well i.e.  would be more logical now as that to refine learning of one foreign language. P> as it to make without practical need? Need is optional. Interest and some skills  suffices the Internet.

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> Yes it is normal - the first foreign language an English, second foreign language on a choice (French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese etc.) . If there is no interest was specific to German from enumerated, , the second language it is better to select any another. The knowledge of any language from Romance group gives the good bridge to all remaining if they suddenly be required in life. English had time to change so that its knowledge practically does not help to understand German, unless separate words. Though, apparently, both languages the German. But learned to understand Spanish, I understood that I can decrypt barely written Portuguese (they among themselves, seemingly, as Russian with an Ukrainian). Some sentences even word-for-word and without the dictionary. And the Italian speech already seems to the acquaintance - some words, word combinations and the whole phrases are clear at once without transfer. And even it is possible to understand the French instruction to any electroinstrument - grammar at first approximation not strongly differ, and the lexicon in instructions is normally similar (or with the general for Romance languages roots, or loans from English).

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> The more foreign languages the person - the better knows! Can be. One hitch - between "transited at school" and "knows" there is small such difference

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Hello, velkin, you wrote: a C>> Clearly what to study foreign language at school it is necessary. A C>> But here than introduction of the second I is justified I can not understand. V> on what the first statement is based? Without English ( in-jaz) now in the world anywhere. That. The documentation, scientific articles, dialogue with foreign suppliers - all in English. It is clear that to the seller in shop it can and it is not required, but so the school  tries to prepare people for all trades. The second foreign language here helps that English at all did not become exclusive. As after English language, the majority of the European languages (German, Spanish, Italian and other Danish) study much easier, than from the full zero. And almost all remaining minority of the European languages - slavic so study even easier. So a variant English + Spanish are quite real.

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Hello, Lazar Beshkenadze, you wrote: > And I not against if only the second - Georgian. And why not a speech?  a speech to be useful on caches to sit...

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> the last 25 years in reforms of formation of logic any, That is, magnification of number of students of high schools three times and Unified State Examination introduction - is too difficult for your understanding?

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: Cs> 70 % of Russians do not own any of foreign languages And here it is bad. If for 27 years of an openness of Russia for an external world only 30 % of the population could learn foreign languages it about something speaks.

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In Italy, France, Spain, Portugal English language knows not all. Therefore there is a sense to learn these languages. Also in countries of Eastern Europe (except Greece and Cyprus) English language know not all. And here in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium, the countries of Scandinavia English language knows many. Abroad - it different.

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > Here, look, Czechia - center of Europe. And in district there are no English-speaking countries. At many schools do not study  , only at will. That, it is serious that-whether - in Czechia at schools learn a foreign language at will? I thought that there is mandatory learn at least one foreign language (not is mandatory English).

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It is a little not in a subject. Why now the majority of Russian does not understand or badly understands Church Slavonic language on which there is a divine service in Russian Orthodox Church? After all this language  to Russian! In it only there are more than times (four past instead of one in Russian), a bit different declination of pronouns plus some tens words and expressions which are necessary for learning. And all! In what the reason of it?

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > Here, look, Czechia - center of Europe. And in district there are no English-speaking countries. At many schools do not study  , only at will. In Poland from 1 class learn English and learn, should recognize, it is rather quite good - at my son almost ideal pronunciation

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RF> In what the reason of it? Because it simply is not necessary for the overwhelming majority of the population (a pancake as I could so to be described)

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> Why now the majority of Russian does not understand or badly understands Church Slavonic language on which there is a divine service in Russian Orthodox Church? After all this language  to Russian! It is closer to East European slavic - to an Ukrainian, Croatian... Instead of to the modern Russian. RF> in what the reason of it? Become outdated. It is not necessary.

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Hello, ksg71, you wrote: K> And it so, who more than one . Language knows, precisely understands, how much Russian is abrupt is abrupt, but is added

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Hello, RussianFellow, RF> If for 27 years of an openness of Russia for an external world only 30 % of the population could learn foreign languages it about something speaks. . Here the USA, apparently, generally never were "the closed" country. How many there percent of Americans (eliminating ) know foreign languages?

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> And here in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium, the countries of Scandinavia English language knows many. RF> abroad - it different. However all it is pleasant, when with them  in their native language. On the same trip, there was an amusing case. My friends tried to reserve a little table for the evening at restaurant (the only thing in  to a word). Tried in English. But places was not. I then approached and started talking in the clumsy Italian, and the question a magic method dared - a little table found. I do not know, whether there is here a communication, but coincidence interesting.

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Hello, Los Chtostrjaslos, you wrote: > in Poland from 1 class learn English > and learn, should recognize, it is rather quite good - at my son almost ideal pronunciation About! And tell, how training in 1 class began? It is interesting to compare to our present program. When we studied at first learned the alphabet, trained a pronunciation, learned rules... Then learned to apply these rules - to form sentences. In passing increased a lexicon. Well i.e. all happened gradually, "decomposing on shelves". At a daughter  began in 2 class, them learn absolutely in another way. Learn words, then on a play course learn letters, then try to read. In my opinion all is somehow unsystematic. Rules do not learn. Sentences add "just like" as is written in the textbook. Any deviation from an example (we tell to add plural) enters into a stupor. From pluses only one - audioapplication to the textbook is sounded by native speakers (I remember our phonograph records, a difference enormous).

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: Cs>> 70 % of Russians do not own any of foreign languages RF> And here it is bad. If for 27 years of an openness of Russia for an external world only 30 % of the population could learn foreign languages it about something speaks. At us in what side do not turn, you or in Russian understand, or do not understand and in English. If to look at this card, it is found out that the nonzero knowledge of English is watched 1) in big cities; 2) in the regions bounding with the countries, not understanding Russian and understanding English; 3) ports, resorts, objects of tourist interest. 4) conditional the north (I assume, because of the raised concentration of qualified employees).

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> About! And tell, how training in 1 class began? Well you and tasks put, I will try)) SVZ> interesting to compare to our present program.

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Hello, RussianFellow, you wrote: RF> Why now the majority of Russian does not understand or badly understands Church Slavonic language on which there is a divine service in Russian Orthodox Church? After all this language  to Russian! RF> in what the reason of it? Because it is not necessary neither churches nor to parishioners. It is necessary "divine " - here it and stimulate. If priests wanted, that them understood, for a long time would conduct divine service in the modern Russian. In the Spanish churches too serve in Latin though hinders nothing to speak Spanish. And yes, Spanish too a linear descendant of the Latin.

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: SVZ> When we studied at first learned the alphabet, would be to learn that SVZ> trained a pronunciation, and is frequent - incorrectly. SVZ> learned rules... Then learned to apply these rules - to form sentences. In passing increased a lexicon. Too 40 years sentences learn to form the computer by rules. SVZ> well i.e. all happened gradually, "decomposing on shelves". And as result - upon termination of school further "May  from Vasja" units went. From those who seriously was engaged itself and whom did not discourage cramming of rules and " on shelves". SVZ> At a daughter  began in 2 class, them learn absolutely in another way. SVZ> Learn words, then on a play course learn letters, then try to read. In my opinion all is somehow unsystematic. Attempt to stretch "" on language learning on purpose to learn on it to speak there is a diversion. SVZ> rules do not learn. Sentences add "just like" as is written in the textbook. Any deviation from an example (we tell to add plural) enters into a stupor. It just the correct method to study language.

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Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: SVZ>> trained a pronunciation, L> and it is frequent - incorrectly. Repeating for the teacher "with the Ryazan accent"? It agree. And here in a language class very much even qualitatively trained. SVZ>> well i.e. all happened gradually, "decomposing on shelves". L> And as result - upon termination of school further "May  from Vasja" units went. From those who seriously was engaged itself and whom did not discourage cramming of rules and " on shelves". So can it and it is not necessary? Therefore also were restricted "May  from Vasja". Mathematics too 9 from 10 do not remember. SVZ>> learn words, then on a play course learn letters, then try to read. In my opinion all is somehow unsystematic. L> attempt to stretch "" on language learning on purpose to learn on it to speak there is a diversion. SVZ>> rules do not learn. Sentences add "just like" as is written in the textbook. Any deviation from an example (we tell to add plural) enters into a stupor. L> it just the correct method to study language. Well here also we look At least at me there will be a possibility to compare. While I watch an explicit problem - each new word causes a stupor, the daughter does not know, how it to say. Rules as sounds are formed by it do not give, and most to deduce dependence in any way, the lexicon is small. It turns out that the training program is calculated for the great volume  In a class at all similar problems, leave either at the expense of tutors, or on the parent help. But generally the tutor in 2 class it

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Hello, V. Zudin, you wrote: L>> and it is frequent - incorrectly. SVZ> repeating for the teacher "with the Ryazan accent"? It agree. SVZ> and here in a language class very much even qualitatively trained. Sense to train, when at the majority further "May  from Vasja" all the same does not go? The pronunciation needs to be put when the person already can talk somehow. SVZ>>> well i.e. all happened gradually, "decomposing on shelves". L>> And as result - upon termination of school further "May  from Vasja" units went. From those who seriously was engaged itself and whom did not discourage cramming of rules and " on shelves". SVZ> So can it and it is not necessary? Therefore also were restricted "May  from Vasja". Mathematics too 9 from 10 do not remember. Also it is not necessary, and hunting beat off determinations of everyones past present continuous. SVZ> Well here also we look At least at me there will be a possibility to compare. SVZ> While I watch an explicit problem - each new word causes a stupor, the daughter does not know, how it to say. And it already miracles of English language. The simple word "quay" causes a stupor in every second adult American. SVZ> rules as sounds are formed by it do not give, and most to deduce dependence in any way, the lexicon is small. It turns out, what the training program is calculated for the great volume  And you as thought? English implies the big lexicon. Hardly the store will be tightened - deduces regularities itself, and further in the program to them start to explain key rules.