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Hello, pagid, you wrote: P> Hello, Cicero, you wrote: the C>> shows Statistican that 70 % of the population of the Russian Federation even one of these languages are not necessary, not to mention the second. P> so not only statistics, but also vital practice. So that it so! Here at us in  with it it is strict. It is impossible so to take and tell simply - links to the correct resources are necessary!

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> When speech about higher education the majority if not all receive it in hope to have a speciality for the sake of a bread piece. About the majority I will not tell.  even schools, instead of high school. After the TECHNICAL TRAINING COLLEGE people too not always on a speciality work. You to what talk started it? A word the higher strains you? A C> But how it proves logicality of reforms of the last years? In any way. As well as on the contrary. You simply left from a subject. Cs>>> Instead of would go with the diploma of the manager cellular communication salons in managers on sales. S>> and these sellers are obliged to remain with five classes of school, time remaining in operation is not required to them? And the shop is as the serfdom? It is impossible to leave? Cs> Actually they went into higher education for operation in other area, but such experts as they too much that the part should go in sellers (for example). The C> And is enough for operation by the seller and Sredne-special, and even at all an average. Or three classes of school... You do not hesitate, continue! A C> it is possible to Leave. And sense? More to earn, for example. And extensive formation gives more choice. A C>>> formation Devaluation - means lowering of its value. The C>>> Happens it two ways: a C>>> 1. The today's graduate possesses level of knowledge more low than the graduate of the same high school 70-80 years. A C> Image: 76ecb4a7cb8a92a5eaf22c6fb4eb5e34_i-14.jpg the Crazy picture from . They do not guess at all that formation happens a miscellaneous. And, of course, made links are not present. A C>>> 2. Possessing diplomas about higher education now it is much more people, than was then (because it became easier for receiving). S>> And people, able to read, became more than 200 years ago. For the same reason. You suggest schools to close? The C> Is not present I school I do not suggest to close. Schools need to be opened on the contrary that all children in one change could study. What for? If the majority has enough 5 classes it is possible to cut down the superfluous simply. Also on teachers we spare a C> I suggest to raise preparation level in HIGH SCHOOLS. A C> And here an amount of students (graduates) to restrict. What for?

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> You simply left from a subject. And it seems to me that you all time leave from a subject. Give we return: siberia2, you wrote: a C>> the last 25 years in reforms of formation of logic any, S> That is, magnification of number of students of high schools three times and Unified State Examination introduction - is too difficult for your understanding? Not absolutely clearly that wanted to tell. How can prove three times magnification of number of students logicality of reforms? P.S. Unified State Examination we can pass - I agree, idea of Unified State Examination the correct.

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> siberia2, you wrote: a C>>> the last 25 years in reforms of formation of logic any, S>> That is, magnification of number of students of high schools three times... - it is too difficult for your understanding? The C> As can prove three times magnification of number of students logicality of reforms? If in the country where competent units, the amount competent as a result of reforms you will see the logic trebled? In those Russian Federations who went to the TECHNICAL TRAINING COLLEGE earlier, nowadays went to high schools. More cleverly not steels, but became more competent. The best third on the former consists of the cleverest. Remaining to the best do not hold out, but literacy was raised also by them. So it is clear?

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S>>> That is, magnification of number of students of high schools three times... - it is too difficult for your understanding? The C>> As can prove three times magnification of number of students logicality of reforms? S> if in the country where competent units, the amount competent as a result of reforms you will see the logic trebled? I.e. you state that competent in Russia was units before reforms. Again not to leave from a subject we will be defined: Literacy - a level of possession of the person skills of the letter and reading in a native language. For 1979 in the same place write that literacy was in the USSR of 99,8 %. Hardly in 90 years literacy level so strongly could fall to "in the country, where competent units". I.e. while any logic I do not see. Or you meant that that another? S> in those Russian Federations who went to the TECHNICAL TRAINING COLLEGE earlier, nowadays went to high schools. More cleverly not steels, but became more competent. The best third on the former consists of the cleverest. Remaining to the best do not hold out, but literacy was raised also by them. So it is clear? I am finite not against that that more people had higher education. Business in level. As you think: why those who went to the TECHNICAL TRAINING COLLEGE, now suddenly went to HIGH SCHOOL earlier? I will answer you: earlier  HIGH SCHOOL to finish simply not could, would take off also all. And level of the modern higher education so fell that can receive it and  (from your words!). It is the first way of devaluation of higher education - its level decreases. And on the other hand it turns out that "Remaining to the best do not hold out" but have just the same diploma as "the Best third on the former consists of the cleverest". I.e. the number of people having the diploma increased, and besides under your data 2 from 3 do not hold out. And such amount working (how many experts) is not present places. What for it is necessary for me not clearly. I am ready to accept magnification of number of graduates of high schools in three (ten, twenty) time, but at saving of such level as earlier.

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Hello, landerhigh, you wrote: a C>> Aha, and then that who faced English in University after German it was absolutely bad. L> yes if English beer to hinder with German it will be bad. And not only in University. L> and in University language continued to learn the same, as in the school certificate. In the beginning 90 already retrained, as approximately 90 % of the world scientific literature - in English.

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: the C> And level of the modern higher education so fell that can receive it and  (from your words!) . And in a scoop with two classes  arrived in . Also finished. The C> Is the first way of devaluation of higher education - its level decreases. I see growth, instead of devaluation. The C> And on the other hand turns out that "Remaining to the best do not hold out" but have just the same diploma as "the Best third on the former consists of the cleverest". Yes. But at all times the worst strongly lagged behind the best. A C> I.e. the number of people having the diploma increased, and besides under your data 2 from 3 do not hold out. To the best do not hold out. As before. The C> And such amount working (how many experts) is not present places. Also what from that? People study not only for the sake of bread. Otherwise and at school no astronomies and drawing would exist. A C> What for it is necessary for me not clearly. You can not study, time without concept! A C> I am ready to accept magnification of number of graduates of high schools in three (ten, twenty) time, but at saving of such level as earlier. What for to us to save level ? Now any high school so badly does not prepare.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: the C>> Is the first way of devaluation of higher education - its level decreases. S> I see growth, instead of devaluation. Where it it is visible? Result what  the data!

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: the C>>> Is the first way of devaluation of higher education - its level decreases. S>> I see growth, instead of devaluation. A C> Where it it is visible? Result what  the data! You read my text? Very slowly...  And in the Moscow State University there was something serious, at last - astrophysics.

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: the C>>>> Is the first way of devaluation of higher education - its level decreases. S>>> I see growth, instead of devaluation. A C>> Where it it is visible? Result what  the data! S> you read my text? I read. And you? S> very slowly... I answer rarely since I do not sit here permanently. S>  And what you understand under ? Why I should know it? The higher party school? Judging by that as you bombs from . You want to talk about it? You decrypt, and we consider it. If it so is important for you! S> and in the Moscow State University there was something serious, at last - astrophysics. And? What all it concerns growth (or to falling?) higher education level in the Russian Federation?