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Topic: The second foreign language at schools

Clearly what to study foreign language at school it is necessary. But here than introduction of the second I is justified I can not understand. No, well theoretically the the person owns a considerable quantity of languages the better. It is clear. But here another. Whether at enough high level schoolboys a foreign language now (before introduction of the second) own? On mine is not present (here there should be a link to the data of authoritative sources confirming my words, but I will be restricted to circle of the acquaintances, in the core with higher education: rarely who on what that more less level owns . if only it is not connected to professional work). As far as I understand the majority of pupils leave school, and without understood with the foreign: oral speech do not understand, written too. What for then to enter one more? Can be necessary as that to refine learning of one? To reconsider a technique, to increase hours, to toughen requirements - methods enough. To motivate as that: For example to enter presence of a certain amount of balls on Unified State Examination for arriving in HIGH SCHOOLS. But to enter one more . - I logicians I do not see. Though the last 25 years in reforms of formation of logic any, are faster than the antilogician what that. To moderators: Missed the mark, transfer  a topic to Formation. I apologize!

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> Clearly what to study foreign language at school it is necessary. So like the Minister of Education one of these days something same told. A C> But here than introduction of the second I is justified I can not understand. Simulation of the useful activity.... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> Clearly what to study foreign language at school it is necessary. A C> But here than introduction of the second I is justified I can not understand. On what the first statement is based?

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Hello, velkin, you wrote: a C>> Clearly what to study foreign language at school it is necessary. V> On what the first statement is based? On life experience.

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Hello, velkin, you wrote: a C>> Clearly what to study foreign language at school it is necessary. A C>> But here than introduction of the second I is justified I can not understand. V> on what the first statement is based? The consciousness extension . Truth we had absolutely settling learning of languages, do not know as now.

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> Clearly what to study foreign language at school it is necessary. A C> But here than introduction of the second I is justified I can not understand. Already questions you begin with the incorrect statement. Here, look, Czechia - center of Europe. And in district there are no English-speaking countries. At many schools do not study  , only at will. And learn German because bound with Germany and Austria. Therefore almost each Czech knows   German. Further, living in EU, there is no special sense "where that to bring down from this country", unlike the Russian Federation where to you it is necessary  , only because helps to fall down.

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > Here, look, Czechia - center of Europe. And in district there are no English-speaking countries. At many schools do not study  , only at will. > And learn German because bound with Germany and Austria. Therefore almost each Czech knows   German. At school study foreign language not for immediate practical application, and with the general educational purpose is more often. Here there is a mathematics, the majority quitting school will never solve  the equations, nevertheless they and all remaining of mathematics help to think, understand logically the quantitative ratios etc. In the same way and foreign as the school subject develops storage, helps to understand the general principles of human speech and the letter, for this purpose it is not enough native language, and already in the last queue allows then if needed it is easier to refine knowledge before practical application. > Further, living in EU, there is no special sense "where that to bring down from this country", unlike the Russian Federation where to you it is necessary  , only because helps to fall down. And learn (at this level) at what here school?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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N> the consciousness Extension . Truth we had absolutely settling learning of languages, do not know as now. It did not assume usage of this language, was simply abstract training of brains. With the same success could study Latin. Now teaching level not strongly grew (level of materials noticeably better), but at kiddies (at whom the brain is) the motivation to language learning at least is present.

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> Here, look, Czechia - center of Europe. And in district there are no English-speaking countries. At many schools do not study  , only at will. > And learn German, I Remind that "English" is not a synonym to a word "foreign". Well, in Russian. About the Czech I do not know.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: >> Further, living in EU, there is no special sense "where that to bring down from this country", unlike the Russian Federation where to you it is necessary  , only because helps to fall down. P> and learn (at this level) at what here school? I can is a little wrong expressed, I do not oppose, on the contrary I support. But without fanaticism. Since the USSR it was knocked that it is necessary to know , but 99 % of the population it so never and was not useful. You want to work in Germany? Please, went learned German and . I Czech , arrived, learned and I live and I work. Not a problem.

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> But to enter one more . - I logicians do not see. And I not against if only the second - Georgian.

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: whether Cs> At enough high level own schoolboys a foreign language now (before introduction of the second)? As though in  (casually found out) the answer to the question: 70 % of Russians do not own any of foreign languages. I do not think that for some years that that strongly changed. Well i.e.  it would be more logical now as that to refine learning of one foreign language. What there the language second still? But where logic and where the Ministry of Education?

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Whether Cs>> At enough high level own schoolboys a foreign language now (before introduction of the second)? A C> As though in  (casually found out) the answer to the question: 70 % of Russians do not own any of foreign languages. A C> I do not think that for some years that that strongly changed. The C> Well i.e.  would be more logical now as that to refine learning of one foreign language. A C> What there the language second still? Even very much the low level of knowledge of a foreign language helps at tourism (in comparison with a complete ignorance). Well, it I try to find though any sense. What for to the state in it to invest - I do not know.

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > Further, living in EU, there is no special sense "where that to bring down from this country", unlike the Russian Federation where to you it is necessary  , only because helps to fall down. The Netherlands - center of Europe all is universal learn English at elementary school technical college still plus two humanitarian college still plus Latin and any perversion of type Chinese total 3-5

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Hello, Lazar Beshkenadze, you wrote: > And I not against if only the second - Georgian. It completely agree. Ignorance Georgian happens is fraught the Author: Privalov Date: 08.09.05.

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Hello, koenig, you wrote: K> even very much the low level of knowledge of a foreign language helps at tourism (in comparison with a complete ignorance). I will agree. Some years ago, before traveling on  to villages, spent one and a half month for studies of bases of Italian (it was interesting to start to study a modern language for the first time for many years, well and to check up itself at the same time). The total: in the Italian villages on  anybody does not speak practically, and  somehow it is necessary; for two weeks by means of the bad Italian it has been made: two talks with , one talk with , is a lot of talks in shops.  these people did not know generally. At that point in time I knew Italian extremely feeblly - a BASIC, can  (and that you wanted for one and a half month). But it sufficed almost always. Only talk with  caused  difficulties. Certainly now at all there are phones, and in them translators. However even at usage of the translator the basic knowledge of language is extremely desirable. Not to be trapped and more or less to understand answers of the local.

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > Further, living in EU, there is no special sense "where that to bring down from this country", unlike the Russian Federation where to you it is necessary  , only because helps to fall down. Citizens of EU permanently gad on this EU. Absolutely not mandatory on purpose to fall down. Therefore a foreign language at level, at least, "to ask road and to understand the answer, to order a supper at restaurant and to agree about habitation rent" it vital.

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> I do not think that for some years that that strongly changed. Why it could change essentially? In the USA the number knowing not English language hardly increased, in  is similar, and in China hardly essentially increased  knowing the second language, can behind small exceptions.  in Russia could be differently? The C> Well i.e.  would be more logical now as that to refine learning of one foreign language. How it to make without practical need?... <<RSDN@Home 1.0.0 alpha 5 rev. 0>>

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Hello, ZevS, you wrote: ZS> ZS> Learning of languages forces a brain increase in volume Learning of languages can to lead to a hypostasis of brain ZS> Foreign languages Citizens who in the childhood too assiduously stuffed with foreign languages rescue from a syndrome of Altsgejmera, rarely live to marasmus ZS> At  better ability to music The one who mastered Chinese, is capable to remember the author  in phone ZS> Experts on languages differ abilities to multitasking Excessive hobby for languages hinders to concentrate on any one current task ZS> Languages refine storage Not to everyone is let know another's language. Much need to rely on cramming ZS> At  better ability to concentration Difficultly to understand another's speech. To understand easier, who principal in collective and to listen only to it P.S. As a humour joke

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Citizens of EU permanently gad on this EU. Absolutely not mandatory on purpose to fall down. Therefore a foreign language at level, at least, "to ask road and to understand the answer, to order a supper at restaurant and to agree about habitation rent" it vital. It is valid for young (<30). To high generation it was without need.

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Hello, Cicero, you wrote: a C> Clearly what to study foreign language at school it is necessary. A C> But here than introduction of the second I is justified I can not understand. Write off from Europe.

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C> Clearly what to study foreign language at school it is necessary. A C> But here than introduction of the second I is justified I can not understand. As gymnastics for mind, learning of languages is useful. However, it is necessary to remember that language is especially utilitarian practical tool and as any tool, without the active usage "rusts". Therefore the relation to the second foreign the double: on the one hand useful enough skill, with another - in that type in what it is taught now it is the full profanation, that is, is almost useless. Such here dualism. Entered into educational process, being guided by the first message, and implemented on the second.

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > already questions you begin with the incorrect statement. > Here, look, Czechia - center of Europe. And in district there are no English-speaking countries. At many schools do not study  , only at will. > And learn German because bound with Germany and Austria. Therefore almost each Czech knows   German. 1) and German - not .? 2) How much I remember, at damned Bolsheviks () they learned Russian and still any foreign (most likely too German, though not the fact as Czechs came across even ). At you there that, too formation degradation?