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People, bought recently monitor Benq PD2710QC, and faced one moment, began  all from here What to take on IPS/PLS today? (A part 4), #1337
If  to read, I will repeat, initially the monitor became  in mode Standard (a mode by default),  all arranged, contrast \colour \sharpness while the user krab4t did not show a screen from game, that where black boxes https://i.imgur.com/JiAgwtq.jpg in which patterns should be visible. And so in a mode of monitor Standard patterns in these squares are not visible, it is simply stupid black boxes. And for example in a mode sRGB patterns  are visible, though and is feeble enough. And for example in mode Dark Room they are visible generally very well, but the general view in this mode becomes absolutely , i.e. the picture  to  values and contrast is killed.
, it was necessary to stop on sRGB a mode, but that in it not absolutely it is pleasant - white color it acquires  an almost inaudible shade roofing felts green roofing felts yellow, while in Standard  ideally white. It would be possible to twist certainly colors in sRGB hardly adding dark blue, and all would be , but the regional ohm in that that a setup option of colors is locked in this mode (.
In Standard no adjustments help to lift gamma, i.e. to show the mentioned black sections, tried to change in the menu of the monitor besides brightness and contrast and gamma (which from 1 to 5) - does not help.
Then, there is for example mode Rec.709 in which generally all becomes even more contrast \is more black, i.e. a situation in  sense is even worse. A similar situation with black and in modes Low Blue Light and M-book.
I.e. while it turns out that from all modes  (normal) only sRGB.
And so that  wanted to ask - whether such situation for the new monitor ( with a mention as professional) is normal?
I.e., whether  it is what factory adjustment that that in the majority of modes including Standard such strange level of the black? (Or gamma level,  as  to tell).
And still the passing moment - certainly all it can be modified , through  the calibrator or others , but whether such practice in relation to the new monitor is normal? (I ask as the person not having put with LCD monitors and calibrations earlier).
Simply before was a CRT 959NF,  there with the same problem, dared  gamma program, and I hoped that it already in the past, but here is how it is visible .

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To twist gamma directly in adjustments  tried?

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Xylene so in that and a question - whether it is normal - to twist  adjustments, at the new monitor, and is is specific from given (price,  still what) a segment.
Well or it is possible to set differently a question - whether often people buying not cheap monitors with IPS resort to gamma adjustment through  the driver? (Or generally to program adjustment). And here gamma offset will go not on cents and quite on decent level (in some modes).
I.e. it seemed to me that it is applicable only or absolutely to  to monitors or in what  other extreme cases.

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It is difficult to tell. Absolutely inexpensive ski from new appeared is well calibrated, in tests all squares are perceptible. And 6 years ago took  u2711 - there it was necessary to adjust. But these cases - yet statistics. And it at you not through  is connected by a case?

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Connection on HDMI?
If yes, adjustments RGB0-255 vs RGB16-235 identical to a source and the monitor?
Titles of adjustments can be others, the main thing that the range has been selected from adjustments identical (though certainly better, if both there and there RGB0-255) As why to take on 27 "today?, #1052

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Xylene
DMITRY
No, connected at once through the Display port (DP the videocard> miniDP the monitor), through HDMI did not try if that (the cord is not present near at hand, whether even  there is it at me).
Adding from 3/29/2018 20:19:
, it would be ideal to find the user with the same PD2710QC, and to learn - also from it or not. If all too - that at me is not present questions more.
And I tried to write to people which did the review on this model and to ours and  - they answered at first but when I described a question essence there came silence))) I.e. or they think that I scoff i.e. that my question seemed  inadequate or  in what business)).
Wrote even in Benq, on what received a little fat , whether among which answer to my question "should be so" and did not receive))) (in the core explained that this monitor and not  for games-tests, only and here they and did not understand, because a screen from game ?)

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If on mind it  it is necessary, only not program (it is a poppycock), and the calibrator.
For the lack of the calibrator it is possible to try visually under these tests http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php

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slon
For the lack of the calibrator it is possible to try visually under these tests http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
Yes, this site already .  in a monitor mode sRGB those test screens which concerned gamma look like quite healthy, for example a screen with squares (Black Level) - I see all squares including the first. And in mode Standard I start to distinguish only since the third. And in Rec.709 generally all first line continuous blackness, begins only with 6th.
And White saturation for example in all modes of the monitor looks identically:
- All patterns are perceptible except 254, only can if to peer to  (  did not know that it there should be that and would not distinguish).
Contrast (steps to color strips) in all standard modes  (except Rec.709, the first step is invisible).
With  , i.e. .. A gradient without artifacts.
slon
If on mind it  it is necessary, only not program (it is a poppycock), and the calibrator.
, here I too wanted to explain - process of calibration what it  (even that which with the calibrator i.e.) it after all   a method, truly? I.e. changes  parameters program, instead of  in the monitor?

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It after all   a method, truly?
This method not all equally name, one consider , others to equipment rooms. I consider that it is more correct to name to equipment rooms since for calibration the special gage equipment - the calibrator is used. There are methods which do not use the calibrator, here they actually .
Disagreements arguing on a method title consist in where the calibrator writes down corrections. In one case the profile is written in LUT the monitor, in other - in LUT videocards. As we see, in both cases calibration is conducted by iron (calibrator) and corrections register too in iron (the monitor or the videocard). It turns out that a method all the same hardware. If to consider that with LUT it is not enough monitors, and budgetary is not present generally actually unique method of hardware calibration is calibration by the calibrator with record of corrections in the videocard.
Softovymi methods (without the calibrator) do not recommend to use, it is all a deceit, they cannot even correctly interpose color temperature. And gamma normally too expose not can, because the instrument is not present also any measurements are not led. Actually  is a method of observation and visual setup plus-minus a bast shoe.
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In a monitor mode sRGB those test screens which concerned gamma look like quite healthy, for example a screen with squares (Black Level) - I see all squares including the first.
sRGB just also is a standard mode for the monitor.

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slon
In one case the profile is written in LUT the monitor, in other - in LUT videocards.
, ? They (adjustments) in  gland (the videocard or the monitor) are thus stitched? Or as.
sRGB just also is a standard mode for the monitor.
Well it is admissible yes. But there is other moment - on the given model there is a review on  (well that which unique overview article in the RuNet, author Alexander Gryzhin) there if I correctly understood all the author stopped on mode User
Here I will quote:

By default adjustments of key parameters look as follows:
Image mode - the standard;
Brightness - 90;
Contrast - 50;
Sharpness - 5;
Color temperature - normal;
AMA - .;
Gamma - 2,2.
During manual adjustment (100 kd/m2 and 6500) parameters assumed the following air:
Image mode - .;
Brightness - 20;
Contrast - 50;
Sharpness - 5;
Color temperature - . . (98/92/90);
AMA - .;
Gamma - 2,2.

And I tried the user mode too, and with these adjustments, result one in one same as in mode Standard (on "to level black"), i.e. it is bad. Then, in this article the color profile which they is applied received as a result, I tried it to import in Color Management  (in . A monitor mode to soot th) - generally any difference in comparison with factory monitor ICM which  at setting of fire wood. I can that I do , I import not in there)) (Or it generally  differently should be used?) Vobshchem and from for this moment too thought that  . Which Alexander but sensation that it  the nonexistent person tried even to contact the author of the review, it anywhere is not present.

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They (adjustments) in  gland (the videocard or the monitor) are thus stitched?
Are not stitched in , and register in LUT.
https://masterska.ru/articles_blog/1123 … o_teorii_/
Calibration by the calibrator ALWAYS an equipment room, only is monitors with hardware calibration, and is without this. If the monitor has no hardware calibration (such the overwhelming majority) hardware calibration becomes in LUT videocards.
I tried the user mode too, and with these adjustments, result one in one same as in mode Standard (on "to level black"), i.e. it is bad.
Well so the monitor such that from it to take. Means it only the calibrator it is possible to correct.

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Are not stitched in , and register in LUT.
Well thus simply forms ICC (ICM) a profile, truly?

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Thus simply forms ICC (ICM) a profile, truly?
It in both cases forms, by hardware measurements. But in one case it is written to the monitor, and in other case in LUT videocards. He lives in the monitor, yet do not rewrite, and in the videocard should  system at each start. As at the majority of us professional monitors with LUT calibration are not present, about the first variant it is possible to forget and consider at once only the second. About  (not the equipment room the calibrator, and the program approximately) is better for forgetting calibration at once too. I tried  - on some monitors the gamma is set up tolerably, and on others full turns out . Color such calibration correct basically cannot, on any monitor.

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slon
I understood, but I mean that a principle   that if with the colorimeter that approximately, or in other words - if me for example suits result of adjustment through easy change of gamma through the vindovs-calibrator that there will be all the same profile and also boots through color management as as a result  the calibrator.
Anyway  it is not clear, here that I told that about the created profile from the overview article how it is possible that two identical models had such different level of the black? I.e. about what I also asked this that right at the beginning, defect generally what can. Could not  name such level norm (if at them also).

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There will be all the same profile and also boots through color management as as a result  the calibrator
One is loaded as, only profiles different, correct, and another from .
How it is possible that two identical models had such different level of the black?
Yes easily. About three years ago through my hands monitors in tens transited, including that with "factory calibration". The certificate has been enclosed To them, and in practice all of them differently showed. We do not forget that the profile depends on the videocard and even from OS (noted that at change of an axis the calibrator produced other profile). At you a card precisely not factory and the profile is necessary to it the, moreover for your copy of the monitor, instead of for what that distracted, though also the same model.

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Apprx. And whether there is  a qualitative difference between for example raising of gamma -  (through the monitor menu) and program? (Through loading of a color profile, it is unimportant as it is created, well let for example with application of the hardware calibrator). I.e. whether is such clarification  a crutch or emulation,  as better to say.

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Whether there is  a qualitative difference between for example raising of gamma -  (through the monitor menu) and program?
Both methods - from , and through the menu, and program. Because measurements are not present and correctly it is impossible to adjust. The calibrator, not very well, in the monitor or in the videocard can expose the correct gamma only.

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Both methods - from , and through the menu, and program. Because measurements are not present and correctly it is impossible to adjust. The calibrator, not very well, in the monitor or in the videocard can expose the correct gamma only.
yes not, I not about that, a pancake well how still to tell,  give so - we carry the conventional method of adjustment of the monitor by creation of a file of a color profile to a method program (not very well through . or  the calibrator), and other method we name  - through parameters in the menu in the monitor. I about this difference. (For clearness we take any parameter accessible in both "methods" - for example regulation of each of three colors separately or gamma level).
And the question (can so it will be more clear) - whether is a program method as though emulation, i.e. for example in a case with a gamma raising - I do not rub-clarification, and  post-handling  (, type lossy)) while the raising of gamma from the monitor will be better in what that technical senses.
Not? Or delirium?

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Other method we name 
It  only for the monitor. And that you name program is  for the computer since calibration all the same becomes an equipment room. On your terminology it is possible also monitor  to name, since the gage software is used.
The raising of gamma from the monitor will be better in what that technical senses.
Not a raising, and adjustment since generally can be both a raising and lowering, on different sections of the characteristic. The calibrator is all shows.
The difference can be, if LUT the monitor has big , than LUT videocards. It is a unique difference which can give better quality of a gradient. In practice quality of a gradient depends on a heap of other factors. At me one monitor can be calibrated in LUT, I tried and this invention refused, because, irrespective of the monitor, it is necessary to do open calibration of all path. If  only the monitor through its iron at change of the videocard or even OS all the same it is required to calibrate anew.