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Topic: New a microsoftware - Intelli-chougodno! :)

This time - IntelliCode! 12 years these coders fed us with poor alphabetic list IntelliSense; simply ponder - 250 days in a year each of these clowns came on operation, wrote the code and  this Intelli- the list of members of the class, cluttered up with keywords,  and still god-message than. Really any of them did not reflect, what it is inconvenient? Really never they needed to eliminate  or to show only terms  a hierarchy class? It without speaking already simply about statistically frequent terms of a class (where is easier!) . No, anything it even in plans was not! But now we have "subjects", "autotests" and the manager ! And here now the same people get out with new intelli-ideas, dropping in in the last coach of an AI-train! And even here they  in a black way for even to the student it is obvious - any AI WILL not work correctly on the task for which it is not adjusted. And tasks at all the. And  - one. Well here what logic should be possessed to row all under one comb?? I will tell more (keep for a chair) - they "trained"  on.... The code with !! Here the dustbin so a dustbin, better and not to find! Post-graduate students, welders, yard keepers - all who could write a patch, all there. And all this stuff will be "the adviser of the programmer"!! I go nuts... Really at MS so stupid coders, what even   for them - the divine help?? A fuck-up... My world will not be former!

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Re: New a microsoftware - Intelli-chougodno! :)

K> any AI WILL not work correctly on the task for which it is not adjusted. And tasks at all the. My task to write the code, and yours? K> I will tell more (keep for a chair) - they "trained"  on.... The code with !! Here the dustbin so a dustbin, better and not to find! Repositories selected , or took only more less professional code? It is important.

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Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: K> I will tell more (keep for a chair) - they "trained"  on.... The code with !! Here the dustbin so a dustbin, better and not to find! Post-graduate students, welders, yard keepers - all who could write a patch, all there. And all this stuff will be "the adviser of the programmer"!! I suspect that on  the code on the order is better, than that  which the companies with a clever type do not uncover ostensibly as  the property.  there as a rule at all it is a lot of, and here to hide is that:  developers,  architects, inadequacy and incompetence of managers.

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Hello, Muxa, you wrote: K>> any AI WILL not work correctly on the task for which it is not adjusted. And tasks at all the. M> my task to write the code, and yours? What is "to write the code"? You drive in zero and units? My duties - to solve tasks. Each of them on-essence is simple, but generally IN ANY WAY does not repeat others and everything that "assistant" can offer me is "hey, at you the variable not so is named!". Actually, only such help from  also received. K>> I will tell more (keep for a chair) - they "trained"  on.... The code with !! Here the dustbin so a dustbin, better and not to find! M> repositories selected , or took only more less professional code? It is important. And you have the abstract criterion "the professional code"? It is important.

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Hello, IT, you wrote: IT> Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: K>> I will tell more (keep for a chair) - they "trained"  on.... The code with !! Here the dustbin so a dustbin, better and not to find! Post-graduate students, welders, yard keepers - all who could write a patch, all there. And all this stuff will be "the adviser of the programmer"!! IT> I Suspect that on  the code on the order is better, than that  which the companies with a clever type do not uncover ostensibly as  the property. I am afraid that the code everywhere - , but agree, even it is pure on the kitchen logic: whose code is better, the professional programming a minimum of 8 hours and solving serious problems, or "the enikejshchika-self-educated person", solved " KDE under FreeBSD"? Simply commercial products use to much more people, therefore jambs quickly are and gape against in general sound code. In FOSS the jamb can sit FOR YEARS in turnip (and even to have !) But at this all  - all want to solve "global tasks" Still the moment: in the company your code looks at a minimum the colleague + a tester. Who looks at them on ?  which is broken off between the wife-children-week-end and you, anonymous ?  - it such... Releases from all - from thoughtful designing, from documenting, from meticulous checks... Well works in 99 % of cases - , in ! The judgement that "FOSS is better" is added from rather narrow case: you found one jamb in ., you know, because of what it and know how to repair. Everything, a pancake, you are a Master Sensei-god-vseja-it! Familiar feeling? Here. And that on this one jamb is necessary ten  -  as though remains in a shade. Well and then, where it is more pleasant to feel above the whole company, than any . Even "conjugate pr" - and that admits jambs; TWO LIVE HEADS, CHARLES! What to speak about  which does not distinguish a cat from a cap!

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K> That such "to write the code"? You drive in zero and units? My duties - to solve tasks. Each of them on-essence is simple, but generally IN ANY WAY does not repeat others and everything that "assistant" can offer me is "hey, at you the variable not so is named!". Actually, only such help from  also received. The dude, you did not understand. AI IntelliSense it is invented not to solve your tasks instead of you, and to help you to write the code which solves your tasks. K> and you have the abstract criterion "the professional code"? It is important. "The professional code" or "more less professional code"? Than the amount of asterisks sounded above does not approach?

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Hello, Muxa, you wrote: M> AI IntelliSense it is invented not to solve your tasks instead of you, and to help you to write the code which solves your tasks. Check, ANYBODY, any piece of iron or "the intelligence trained on a githab-dustbin" is not capable to help more than "the help of members of a class"! At you in a head the algorithm, any receptions, ideas, "so here it is got", etc. As the program can guess, what you need to write?? K>> and you have the abstract criterion "the professional code"? It is important. M> "the professional code" or "more less professional code"? M> Than the amount of asterisks sounded above does not approach? The same, than "the amount " does not characterize "the beautiful person" - the subjectivity and archaism of motives. Even the same task, depending on time, the company, resources, can dare differently. ONE, Charles! How AI is all ??? Simply example: conversion of files. It is more stupid not to invent! BUT (!) even here  : 1. Only files? Not ? How about sockets? Flows? Batch processing? Wildcards? 2.  it is necessary? And what? Under Linux too? The browser approaches? And mobile phones to consider? 3. How about CPU? Give me 1000 flows! What? In one flow on 10 % of speed? , there are no problems - pass to punched cards. 4.  there with  about errors? In/dev/null? And, you PDF-ku!... So also told! *  in itself * 5. We will convert "in a forehead" or we make "factory of factories on manufacture of templates of converters which are implemented in a parcer,  by the third factory"? Well, for flexibility! Kill, but I will not understand, than AI can help that! He and does not write lines to me, not  for generally knows NOTHING about requirements. Especially the most important: "Hear, Semyonov, the task it was necessary still yesterday, but you have an hour to meeting. You will make - I will load with money!" . In such conditions even  ways of files - wild simplification, but  practice as that. Here.

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Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: K> I am afraid that the code everywhere - , but agree, even it is pure on the kitchen logic: whose code is better, the professional programming a minimum of 8 hours and solving serious problems, or "the enikejshchika-self-educated person", solved " KDE under FreeBSD"? I think that the code is better at the professional, programming 8 hours and solving serious the task which after operation still writes the code on , than at "professional", "" for 8 hours and thinking that he solves serious problems, but thus in 2018 year uses VS 2008 and the version of language 10 summer prescription. Namely and happens in most cases. K> simply commercial products use to much more people, therefore jambs quickly are and gape against in general sound code. In FOSS the jamb can sit FOR YEARS in turnip (and even to have !) But at this all  - all want to solve "global tasks" I do not see communication between jambs and good quality of the code. Here generally in any way I do not see. As to commercial products as a whole it is only small part of that, than developers professionally are engaged. For example, in Well-yorke hundreds work ten thousand developers, if not. Thus  the products produced in Well-yorke I at all I will not remember. All these dear people  an application enterprise. And the enterprise is a special type . It is a gloom, horror, a plague and a cholera. K> Still the moment: in the company your code looks at a minimum the colleague + a tester. Who looks at them on ?  which is broken off between the wife-children-week-end and you, anonymous ?  - it such... Releases from all - from thoughtful designing, from documenting, from meticulous checks... Well works in 99 % of cases - , in ! Yes any difference. On the robot your code who is possible looks, and nobody can also looks. And if looks, through a floor of year when you will leave and someone comes another. Thus he recognizes that all it incorrectly, mandatory calls you  and decides something to refine, then all breaks, calls you  once again, recovers half, somehow  jambs, adds a heap new, jostles in  and to leave. As a result, through slightly such  your professional code final to turn in . K> the Judgement that "FOSS is better" is added from rather narrow case: you found one jamb in ., you know, because of what it and know how to repair. Everything, a pancake, you are a Master Sensei-god-vseja-it! Familiar feeling? Here. And that on this one jamb is necessary ten  -  as though remains in a shade. Well and then, where it is more pleasant to feel above the whole company, than any . E-e-e. . Excuse, lost thought somewhere in the middle of this maxim. K> even "conjugate pr" - and that admits jambs; TWO LIVE HEADS, CHARLES! What to speak about  which does not distinguish a cat from a cap! And what at us conjugate programming automatically does of the code  paradise? I.e. we take two  , we put for one computer and these TWO LIVE HEADS there and then begin  modelly indicative code? . Here in a topic there was a specification that projects at which not less than two hundreds stars undertook. Actually it is a lot of to cut an overwhelming part of projects which you mean. There are many projects at which less than hundred stars and I can them courageously to name modelly indicative. For example, here.

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I started to doubt that you understand that that you are written under that link that and allocated here in the initial message.

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> Well here what logic should be possessed to row all under one comb?? Professional gay designers  from  do mylno-vanilla toys for functionally illiterate mass user. Even if them delivered to develop a software for engineers. Therefore it is less  and generally than perceptible details on the screen, it is more  and  that, without straining a brain any abstruse hogwash for , to send   #, and thus to click on context-sensitive advertizing.

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Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: K> I go nuts... Really at MS so stupid coders, what even   for them - the divine help?? A fuck-up... My world will not be former! In any big project the idioms if this piece analyzes the code of the project collect and to add for me these idioms - it will be convenient.

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Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: K> And here now the same people get out with new intelli-ideas, dropping in in the last coach of an AI-train! And even here they  in a black way for even to the student it is obvious - any AI WILL not work correctly on the task for which it is not adjusted. And tasks at all the. And  - one. Well here what logic should be possessed to row all under one comb?? I will tell more (keep for a chair) - they "trained"  on.... The code with !! Here the dustbin so a dustbin, better and not to find! Post-graduate students, welders, yard keepers - all who could write a patch, all there. And all this stuff will be "the adviser of the programmer"!! K> I go nuts... Really at MS so stupid coders, what even   for them - the divine help?? And so quite it was pleasant to me. It is good both idea and implementation. Static analysis of the code with a human face. Yes all 100  projects on  in times will be purer than an enterprise.

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Hello, bnk, you wrote: bnk> And me so quite it was pleasant. It is good both idea and implementation. Static analysis of the code with a human face. Judging by a demo, the analysis bluntly "statistical" (attentively read). "The most used method"?? IT ??? It could be made still 30 years ago - I even itself tried to fasten it to studio! Operations - for 10 minutes. bnk> yes all 100  projects on  in times will be purer than an enterprise. I will dare to ask, "and judges who"? Who set these stars? Again crowds ? Well and at Putin a nonzero rating - were $#^$#^-. Simply purely on-li "the big" professionals in each trade - units, their judgement is important. And hamsters - to it any  *** but is pleasant - patterns, , everyones trigram MVC... Not without reason all it floated  though existed for years.

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Hello, Kolesiki, you wrote: bnk>> And me so quite it was pleasant. It is good both idea and implementation. Static analysis of the code with a human face. K> judging by a demo, the analysis bluntly "statistical" (attentively read)." The most used method "?? IT ??? It could be made still 30 years ago - I even itself tried to fasten it to studio! Operations - for 10 minutes. Well here, as they say," at first achieve "bnk>> Yes all 200  projects on  in times will be purer than an enterprise. K> I will dare to ask," and judges who "? Who set these stars? Again crowds ? Well and at Putin a nonzero rating - were $#^$#^-. Simply purely on-li "the big" professionals in each trade - units, their judgement is important. And hamsters - to it any  *** but is pleasant - patterns, , everyones trigram MVC... Not without reason all it floated  though existed for years. You can give an example the project with the bad code,  at least to 100? To normally people in a breakage pluses to put (especially""), they do it if really see something useful and working

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Hello, bnk, you wrote: K>> It could be made still 30 years ago - I even itself tried to fasten it to studio! Operations - for 10 minutes. bnk> well here, as they say, "at first achieve" You did not understand - I just achieved! And operation rose for the banal reason -  "expanded" studio... Did not allow to replace the intelli-list!!!!! Here where I  with all the heart! Devil's macaques with "innovations"  monkey's intelli-popap and all my members could be added only in their nonsense. Here to you and "a product of a world class"! bnk>>> Yes all 200  projects on  in times will be purer than an enterprise. K>> I will dare to ask, "and judges who"? bnk> you Can give an example the project with the bad code,  at least to 100? You leave from a subject. Once again I explain: 1. To me on-drum judgement of hamsters, especially when without uniform argument it is only 1/0, + / - etc. The hamster delivered a product and it works - everything, here to you "star" from "anywhere". Well and IE too "worked"! Yes  far to walk... Intels - all them CPU "worked", while them did not stick in own  *** with ! Here to you and "stars"! * there is a haughty smile young * 2. Even the judgement of the "big" expert can cost nothing, if it did not project a product if for years did not cajole users, did not accept  and did not refine a product the big functionality. ONLY THEN you can tell that all is made on-mind, all is floppy and , and errors all are caught. But all enumerated alas, FOSS has no are properties of commercial products! And that someone there ran on the code  and fastened there  in the menu, in passing delivering ""... Well, if to you it is criterion - excuse, for me . A product - it as the girl if you once with it overslept, you can tell nothing about it. You here marry, eat salt pood for years of joint life, to grow with it of children, and here then I with a great interest will listen to judgement "the person in a subject". While you not in a subject of this product, you - anybody, be you though Alan Kej! I saw the stranger of the code much, was frequent "to rewrite all on ****!!", but even where did not rewrite, there it is the extremely difficult to tell, whether there was a decision optimal, whether much I spent forces for improving, etc. the Product demands learning, the dense sitting with the architect, And ONLY THEN you can look at drawing of charts, understanding of processes for a moment immediately at the code and to tell - well, yes, is written competently. In FOSS all on the contrary: at first at you before eyes ONLY the code, then easy understanding of the ideas necessary only for your feature, and then brave  there and then rush to write the code. Even after that their "stars" - a poor excuse for "judgement" which I would consider in the last queue.

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bnk> you Can give an example the project with the bad code,  at least to 100? As . To unwinding I remember a miracle under title NetJSON - yes, fast enough ()  json on C#, 147 stars. But casually faced it in the project from which any more you will not cut, moreover catching any turbid bug in it - sighed opening  - almost all in one file, the sea of repeating pieces, etc. Even serialization from deserialising is not separated. Well though partial a class, but is not present. Huge functions with a heap of parameters. In general the complete set  for AI training bnk> it is normal to people in a breakage pluses to put (especially ""), they do it if really see something the useful and working Pluses put much for ability to throw out an article about the project in codeproject, to be pushed with the  on any conference or , etc. in general   as always can  quality of the code.