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Hello, so5team, you wrote: S> not to pay for a Visual Studio if it is not necessary for the project of anything MS-specific. Here it is turn!  Community it is free, and differs nothing from Professional. And before many years existed Express the edition which has been a little cut down, and too the free. It if to forget that   on a studio piracy, and it use pretty often. Any red-eyed , really. S> not to strike with "With ++" from MS, we tell. Do not stop. Logically following step not to strike with Windows generally. S> the Vivid example - attempts of usage of library Ranges under Windows. S> It if these are necessary to you the latest SDK from . The strange development. Any left  and crude features of the standard are necessary, and   are not necessary. S> your judgement is very important, continue to keep informed. "I ran for you two days?" It is not important - do not answer.

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Hello, IID, you wrote: IID> And anybody  also did not promise of 100 % IID> Come on WSL page . Therefrom there are links to lists of a software which works badly. Came and esteemed. Has been impressed by an amount incompatible , and the description of their problems. Any it wine on the contrary. Was about  the best judgement. But how it is arranged, probably, you are right. IID> nevertheless WSL on orders the dustbin is more compatible with  than cygwin. Also does not demand recompilation besides. I will open to you a secret. Cygwin even does not try to be compatible with , it is compatible with certain generalized .

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IID: >> Subsystem Ubuntu appeared and in Windows Server 2016... IID> Reliznyj Windows 2016 (1607) it LTSC, in it WSL is not present and it is not known when appears. I transfer hands from 10. IID> Promised to add in experimentally version 1709 (Semi-Annual Channel). But it like only in Server Core editions, without Desktop Experience. On operation at me Windows-seven, houses  on a host. I pottered with ten a little, I disdain. Win Server to me it is interesting, I assume that there there is less than espionage. Slowly I study expediency to equip a workplace on Win Server. Recently learned that support WSL is and for server Windows, it is plus.

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Hello, IID, you wrote: S>> not to pay for a Visual Studio if it is not necessary for the project of anything MS-specific. IID> Here it is turn! That you personally did not face with , does not mean that they are not present. IID> Redatsija Community is free, and differs nothing from Professional. It is free for individual users, training, the academic researches and open projects. But if you accept usage of piracy versions, it not a problem, certainly. IID> do not stop. Logically following step not to strike with Windows generally. Logically. And, fortunately, the tendency of reduction of interest to Windows is tracked. But to a row of customers it is necessary Windows. And here what compiler - is not present.

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Hello, IID, you wrote: IID> Unless "suddenly". To develop under Windows on MinGW that that? For the sake of most  standard editings? The approach is more on hand-made articles of students brushes away. Well, for example, if it is supposed that your program works both under , and under Windows using as the compiler for Windows a cross connect-mingw, it is possible to make the general  which automatically collects your economy under both platforms. Otherwise you should scatter the assembly on two machines, and then to gather results. Automation it becomes essential more difficult.

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Hello, so5team, you wrote: S> not to pay for a Visual Studio if it is not necessary for the project of anything MS-specific. So open for itself MS a Visual Studio - Community Edition: https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/community

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Well, for example, if it is supposed that your program works both under , and under Windows using as the compiler for Windows a cross connect-mingw, it is possible to make the general  which automatically collects your economy under both platforms. I think that macroes of the conditional compilation anyway be required: #ifdef Q_OS_WIN32... #endif #ifdef Q_OS_LINUX... #endif And separate running of the assembly under Win and under Linux. Pzz> Otherwise you should scatter the assembly on two machines, and then to gather results. Automation it becomes essential more difficult. It is possible and on one: dual-boot in the help

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Hello, AlexGin, you wrote: AG> So open for itself MS a Visual Studio - Community Edition: AG> https://www.visualstudio.com/vs/community the Colleague, and you attentively read this page? For example, section "program Usage"?

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Hello, so5team, you wrote: S> the Colleague, and you attentively read this page? For example, section "program Usage"? Read, and even it is very attentive: For organizations An unlimited number of users within an organization can use Visual Studio Community for the following scenarios: in a classroom learning environment, for academic research, or for contributing to open source projects. For all other usage scenarios: In non-enterprise organizations, up to five users can use Visual Studio Community. In enterprise organizations (meaning those with> 250 PCs or> $1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above. I can comment: While I and my fellow workers we are engaged  (academic research). In the long term, God grant, - we quit on one million dollars a year -  and the commercial version! P.S. Truth from stated - it is not clear as M $ can trace all it. An example: write about five users. If I (single user) installed this product on a working computer and on a notebook - how to consider?

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Hello, AlexGin, you wrote: AG> While I and my fellow workers we are engaged  (academic research). Remarkably. It would be even better, if you did not project the private situation on all remaining world. And that after all outside of your cozy world in which the 50-year-old developer with the long-term experience does not know as to find fresh versions gcc/clang for the system, there is everyone. And rigid control over a software at workstations, and, about horror, requirements to coordinate usage of indirect tools with legal department.

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Hello, so5team, you wrote: If the annual turnover is more than one million that will buy VS Pro not difficult absolutely.

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Hello, _NN _, you wrote: _NN> If the annual turnover is more than one million that will buy VS Pro not difficult absolutely. Even easier if more one million there will be not a turn, and profit

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> At 10th  now  enters it is direct in composition , and it is good with it . Now there some distribution kits, the last time like 3 or 4 saw, can still added.

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Hello, so5team, you wrote: S> It is free for individual users, training, the academic researches and open projects. But if you accept usage of piracy versions, it not a problem, certainly. For small business it too is free, to 5 workplaces. But news from 2008 are interesting, continue to keep informed.

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> For small business it too is free, to 5 workplaces. But news from 2008 are interesting, continue to keep informed. Want to tell, what from 2009 year on a C ++ small business is engaged in development only? Or what after buys 2008 nobody VS Professional because at first was VS Express, then disappeared and appeared Community?

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Hello, so5team, you wrote: S> it is remarkable. It would be even better, if you did not project the private situation on all remaining world. And that after all outside of your cozy world in which the 50-year-old developer with the long-term experience does not know as to find fresh versions gcc/clang for the system, From what pores Linux became "my system" you not differently me with Sheridan confused! I am engaged on  incidentally last couple of years. And only in a time off as on operation it is not necessary to me." Mine "system MS Windows, on it I am engaged with 90 and I continue to this day. And about MSVC-2017 on c ++ 17, c than I work daily, at me here questions were not. Itself to a clod you want I will tell. And curiosity,  me on learning Linux and attempts of compilation of examples on a C ++ in it is a desire to follow a fashionable trend of mastering . Well and desire to develop the professional-outlook. S>... There is everyone. And rigid control over a software at workstations, and, about horror, requirements to coordinate usage of indirect tools with legal department. All it takes place, in the certain organizations.  I will add: it is necessary to run at top speed to leave such offices

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Hello, so5team, you wrote: S> Want to tell, what from 2009 year on a C ++ small business is engaged in development only? No, I want to tell that the freebie can be interesting only to the small. Large simply buys and will not be .

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: S>> Want to tell, what from 2009 year on a C ++ small business is engaged in development only? Ops> is not present, I want to tell that the freebie can be interesting only to the small. Large simply buys and will not be . Small, AFAIK, generally without a difference, they too small that them tracked. And here the average size of office which yet did not start to rake in the shekels, not so willingly go on purchase of licenses on any Qt, gSOAP, VS and so forth the Pier, OpenSource around, what for something to buy?

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Hello, so5team, you wrote: S> Small, AFAIK, generally without a difference, they too small that them tracked. And here the average size of office which yet did not start to rake in the shekels, not so willingly go on purchase of licenses on any Qt, gSOAP, VS and so forth the Pier, OpenSource around, what for something to buy? Here you compared. Qt there is in a month as much, how many a studio . Yes, it, probably, it is necessary to update a year or two from now though many for 10 years on one version sit, updating only , free of charge, but even 450 time in 2-3 years or 450 every month - a difference enormous.

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Hello, the Miner, you wrote: Installing a packet xorg-dev you can write and launch X-Windows applications under WSL. Wine works?

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IID> It is pure . At level  normally not to implement  a singularity. Type  (though it is accessible at level Native API), operations with  files, removal of a triggered image, human storage .  attributes and forbidden on NTFS characters. In WSL  support at OS kernel level, even special type of processes made - PicoProcess. From the point of view of NTFS the unique forbidden character in a name is 0 In  it also is forbidden

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Hello, Ops, you wrote: Ops> Here you compared. Qt there is in a month as much, how many a studio . Yes, it, probably, it is necessary to update a year or two from now though many for 10 years on one version sit, updating only , free of charge, but even 450 time in 2-3 years or 450 every month - a difference enormous. Qt now many  it is free under LGPL.

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Hello, so5team, you wrote: S> Qt now many  it is free under LGPL. , I in course. But this LGPL for business sometimes a piece very inconvenient, and in that case it is necessary to pay.

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Hello, MShura, you wrote: MS> From the point of view of NTFS the unique forbidden character in a name is 0 From the point of view of a flow name on file system and a data storage format, but not from the point of view of OS. See FsRtlIsAnsiCharacterLegalXXXX which checks a flag of availability ASCII of characters in built in  (Fat/Hpfs/Ntfs). On NTFS are forbidden: 0x00-0x1F 0x22 (") 0x2A (*) 0x2F (/) 0x3C (<) 0x3E (>) 0x3F (?) 0x5C (\) Except restrictions  it is necessary to be punched through the manager of objects, at it on reverse slashes the sight. MS> in  it also is forbidden And what with  in ?

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Hello, so5team, you wrote: S> And that after all outside of your cozy world in which the 50-year-old developer with the long-term experience does not know as to find fresh versions gcc/clang for the system, there is everyone. I was not mistaken in the first estimation. You collective-farm .