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Topic: About the researches bounding with the classified information

Such question arose. Here, there are military researches different. There much under a signature stamp confidentially and even are special rules for those who has the tolerance to the classified information (, on the PERMANENT RESIDENCE in the USA it cannot leave even with  any more). Is, probably, civil scientific research institutes which too signed such agreement and do those or other development for military men? But! There are what also the data of confidential researches for them as though did not subscribe are forbidden. And after all it is necessary as that to regulate, that they under the initiative casually did not get there where to climb it it is not necessary. And a question at me here what: what exists prohibitive system on occupations by researches which can affect the confidential data? Who watches of it and what do with those who  prohibitions? There is at whom a practical experience? For example, I recall that earlier gyroscopes were used in systems of induction and many researches in the field of gyroscopes were under a signature stamp confidentially. The nonsense - a top would seem - and and here for it could tear off a head. Or still an example. A bum I feel that fireballs call till now into question not because so difficult them to play back in laboratory that is why that researches are in the field classified. Who can that tell on this question?

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Re: About the researches bounding with the classified information

Hello, Shmj, S> But! There are what also the data of confidential researches for them as though did not subscribe are forbidden. And after all it is necessary as that to regulate, that they under the initiative casually did not get there where to climb it it is not necessary. And in the appropriate organizations, including in these most civil scientific research institutes, there is so-called "a first department". Here it also regulates.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And a question at me here what: what exists prohibitive system on occupations by researches which can affect the confidential data? Who watches of it and what do with those who  prohibitions? There is at whom a practical experience? Well one business if you read the classified document which had no right to read, absolutely another - if you  to such that coincides with the state secret. Theoretically, it is not forbidden to you, will prove to the inspector practically that you it invented all, instead of a confidential paper read. S> for example, I recall that earlier gyroscopes were used in systems of induction and many researches in the field of gyroscopes were under a signature stamp confidentially. The nonsense - a top would Seem - and and here for it could tear off a head. For a top hardly. Such gyroscopes with which help it is possible to define very precisely turns in space are interesting to military men.

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Re: About the researches bounding with the classified information

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And a question at me here what: what exists prohibitive system on occupations by researches which can affect the confidential data? Who watches of it and what do with those who  prohibitions? There is at whom a practical experience? No system is present, research that you want. The most confidential subject - enciphering, however it is accessible at the level which in essence is not cracked with all interested person and anybody of nothing forbids.

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Hello, vsb, you wrote: vsb> No system is present, research that you want. And you as that are connected to researches, or is simple so think in the innocence?

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Hello, Pzz, you wrote: Pzz> Well one business if you read the classified document which had no right to read, absolutely another - if you  to such that coincides with the state secret. Theoretically, it is not forbidden to you, will prove to the inspector practically that you it invented all, instead of a confidential paper read. It is not forbidden to the private person. But without the equipment for billions and without a heap of free time on researches - chances are not present. And if you are engaged in it professionally - that absolutely another story. How I understand, subjects for researches are supervised?

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Re: About the researches bounding with the classified information

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> And if you are engaged in it professionally - that absolutely another story. How I understand, subjects for researches are supervised? Well, it is formal - is not present. Actually, of course, on the organization  it is possible to press.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: nonsenses. In a pattern is not only Moskovia

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Hello, siberia2, you wrote: S> nonsenses. In a pattern is not only Moskovia Well, Mongolia  a variant for researches.

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Hello, pagid, you wrote: S>> nonsenses. In a pattern is not only Moskovia P> Well, Mongolia  a variant for researches. The leader on number of the found dinosaurs. And there to build  a collider quits more cheaply, than in Switzerland.

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Re: About the researches bounding with the classified information

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> But! There are what also the data of confidential researches for them as though did not subscribe are forbidden. And after all it is necessary as that to regulate, that they under the initiative casually did not get there where to climb it it is not necessary. S> And a question at me here what: what exists prohibitive system on occupations by researches which can affect the confidential data? Who watches of it and what do with those who  prohibitions? There is at whom a practical experience? As already mentioned - the first department. If you receive  significant results (even not mandatory that are already known to the closed organizations) you inform that the subject - is coded, and take a subscription about nondisclosure. And attempt to share results with foreign colleagues results on plank beds.

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What in programming can be  significant results?

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Hello, Ejnstok Fajr, Can. Suddenly, initially the Internet was developed DARPA as the hostless system of military communication steady in the conditions of the nuclear conflict. It then it already became civil and generally available.

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Re: About the researches bounding with the classified information

Hello, Ejnstok Fajr, you wrote: > What in programming can be  significant results? Well, for example, algorithm of expansion of long integers on a factor for the linear time. Or calculations of the discrete logarithm in group of points of an elliptic curve

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Hello, Sinclair, you wrote: S> As already mentioned - the first department. If you receive  significant results (even not mandatory that are already known to the closed organizations) you inform that the subject - is coded, and take a subscription about nondisclosure. And attempt to share results with foreign colleagues results on plank beds. Yes, I recall the friend told about a case with the first department. Simply from me it is all far, you that in it cook, and at me for 16 years of independent life even never the work record card was...

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Re: About the researches bounding with the classified information

Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Who that can tell on this question? In Russia there are tolerance levels to classified documents. To leave the country freely people with the third level of the tolerance can, with the second and the first already are not present. But to receive such level it is necessary specially, casually does not quit. To work with the classified information it is possible only on the checked equipment, for operation with some information generally there are the special confidential rooms equipped from a different type prowhispers. Accordingly, to carry away the information from a room casually it does not turn out. All it concerns all organizations which have access to the classified information. If to speak about scientific operations, casually to get to state secret area difficult, at us in each speciality it is accurately registered that in it it is possible to research. Also the areas are registered, all which scientific achievements are published in the closed collections and do not overstep the bounds of practice of operation with classified documents.

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Re: About the researches bounding with the classified information

S> Well, for example, algorithm of expansion of long integers on a factor for the linear time. S> or calculations of the discrete logarithm in group of points of an elliptic curve Unscientific  will not be c as examples.

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V_S> It then it already became civil and generally available. Instead of whether you see here some regularity? Which consists that coded by a software does not survive. Here the microsoftware made the .Net and it has been forced out from the market public JavaScript th Now a microsoftware convulsively tries to build in though any operating time in WebAssembly

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Hello, Ejnstok Fajr, > Instead of whether you see here some regularity? > Which consists that coded by a software does not survive. I do not see. Coded by a software (not to confuse with ! These are different entities.) survives not better and not worse not coded. Simply about really classified software leisure correspondents on the Internet do not write.

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Hello, Nuzhny, you wrote: N> If to speak about scientific operations casually to get to state secret area difficult, the HARDWARE Question just and consists about that zone of risk when all the same get. N> at us in each speciality it is accurately registered that in it it is possible to research. ? A speciality 05.13.11 - Software of computers, complexes and computer networks. Very accurately, you will tell nothing Programming languages, and also software of their implementation in computers (), computer complexes () and computer networks (). The theory and the software of parallel calculations. Parallel languages. Software of implementation of parallel languages in the multiprocessor , , computer and neural networks, homogeneous computing environments and the distributed computing systems. The theory of creation of programs, application program packages (), program complexes (PC), and also network programs (joint venture), including, supporting network protocols. Valuation methods of merit figures of program products, and also means of automation of control and acceptance of programs, , the PC and the joint venture. Methods of reliability augmentation of functioning of programs. Receptions and means of unification of programs, the PC,  both the joint venture. Models and development methods of software of data handling and knowledge in ,  and . Systems and the theory of knowledge representation languages. Methods of designing of database management systems (DBMS) and knowledge bases (), including the distributed DBMS and . Program work benches of development of intellectual systems, including expert systems, decision making support systems, learning systems, etc. Software for machines of a logical output, algorithms and the software of computer algebra, pattern recognition and classification for communication of the person with the computer. Demarcation of program and hardware implementation of functions, development of microprogram and macroprocessor control. Computer methods of implementation of algorithms of tasks of coding and information protection in ,  and . The theory and practice of technological aspects of programming, manufacture and maintenance of programs, the PC,  and the joint venture, and also program and instrumental technological complexes of support of development of software. Mathematical and the software of new information technologies. Already on one third from below to point of researches of volumes over 9000 Question of the HARDWARE in due time set to "the first department", plainly they too did not know.

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Hello, sr_dev, you wrote: N>> at us in each speciality it is accurately registered that in it it is possible to research. _> Sho? A speciality 05.13.11 - Software of computers, complexes and computer networks. _> it is very accurate, you will tell nothing Yes, accurately enough. _> already on one third from below to point of researches of volumes over 9000 On numerical methods too it is a lot of volumes. Also what there the confidential? You tell is better, how the student or the post-graduate student can unintentionally get the researches to state secret area on this point. I do not know as now, and earlier to me a subject of the candidate stated at faculty meeting. I there did the report and chair solved, how much my subject approaches under a speciality. It was even PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF researches. On the other hand, certain researches in the field of a radiolocation were initially conducted as confidential, is possible their organs and ordered to high school. Scientists knew about their results with tolerance level only, were printed also in the closed issuings. _> the HARDWARE question in due time set to "the first department", plainly they too did not know. So tell in the end-ends about cases when initially open researches became closed. For certain such cases were, time questions arose.

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Hello, Nuzhny, you wrote: N> On numerical methods too it is a lot of volumes. Also what there the confidential? You tell is better, how the student or the post-graduate student can unintentionally get the researches to state secret area on this point. Probability nonzero. Yes basically as easy as shelling pears. You want to make , and FSB requirements to them are confidential. You do not know them, but there a row is quite obvious, without which  not . Here you in the description of the  casually quoted them. N> I do not know as now, and earlier to me a subject of the candidate stated at faculty meeting. I there did the report and chair solved, how much my subject approaches under a speciality. It was even PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF researches. Well it at all everywhere so, and I doubt that your chair about privacy that there checked that. N> so tell in the end-ends about cases when initially open researches became closed. For certain such cases were, time questions arose. At us cases were others, but similar. We tell so with protection of state secret as well as everywhere a brothel, and people got acquainted with it without having access formally (on business trips for example). The question was - whether it is possible then at us to consider openly, pretending that "did not know that it confidentially".

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Hello, sr_dev, you wrote: _> At us cases were others, but similar. We tell so with protection of state secret as well as everywhere a brothel, and people got acquainted with it without having access formally (on business trips for example). The question was - whether it is possible then at us to consider openly, pretending that "did not know that it confidentially". Strange. I worked in the field of security arrangements which were installed including us state boundary sections earlier. And so, to go in business trip on object (post or military part), was necessary to receive 3rd access level. Without it on object simply would not start up.

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Hello, Nuzhny, you wrote: N> it was necessary to receive 3rd access level. Without it on object simply would not start up. I to you will tell more - to esteem the classified document, to you not enough third form, to you access to this specific document should be still written out.

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Re: About the researches bounding with the classified information

Hello, sr_dev, you wrote: N>> it was necessary to receive 3rd access level. Without it on object simply would not start up. _> I to you will tell more - to esteem the classified document, to you not enough third form, to you access to this specific document should be still written out. Yes I in course, worked 8 years in office with military acceptance.