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Hello, Dym On, you wrote: DO> In the Chip and Dipe, 3990 roubles DO> In the same place the documentation. About, the case with full-spheres in 1. A class! It will be necessary to ask to buy whom-thread some pieces and to send to me, and I will carry to a scarf under it. At such step on six- or  should get divorced easily.

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K> About, the case with full-spheres in 1. A class! Likely specially that  it was possible to do prototypes directly in the tank)

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O>> And so what at -1000 was percents... SH>  computers with this stone will have a propensity to shot-guns and leather jackets? Not, that was on Z80. Or 6502.

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K> If it , the price normal. Considering that it is the Chip-and-dip the real price most likely is less on 20-30 %. But all the same it is expensive for old two-nuclear .

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Ops> They unless the general? Like for  are positioned. SoC = the "general" processor + . The modern processors "for " for a long time already 64 , have on 4-8 kernels, on  additional coprocessors, and rich  on .

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Hello, eskimo82, you wrote: E> the Modern processors "for " for a long time already 64 , have on 4-8 kernels, on  additional coprocessors, and rich  on . Generally the modern processors for  are even 8-bit.  such .

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Ops> Generally the modern processors for  are even 8-bit.  such . In the first, such concept as "processors for " does not exist. You invented him some posts above. In the second, this product is positioned by the vendor as SoC (system on chip), instead of as the microprocessor and not as the microcontroller.  and comparing should is led with the modern analogs. In , modern SoC for a long time for a long time already 64 bit, with several kernels, with GPU, VFP, NEON and other coprocessors, and   on the same . In the fourth, MIPS as the architecture became outdated yet this decade, and slightly earlier.

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Hello, eskimo82, you wrote: E> In the first, such concept as "processors for " does not exist. You invented him some posts above. Moreover and the demagogue. E> in the second, this product is positioned by the vendor as SoC (system on chip), instead of as the microprocessor and not as the microcontroller. E> Sootvetsvenno and comparing should is led with the modern analogs. E> in , modern SoC for a long time for a long time already 64 bit, with several kernels, with GPU, VFP, NEON and other coprocessors, and   on the same . So any microcontroller falls under concept SoC, even 8-bit - there both the processor, and storage, including non-volatile, and various additional units almost. All that is necessary for embedded system. Simply  are inclined to produce the treatment of the term as it is unique true, ostensibly SoC should be the computer, and anything else. E> In the fourth, MIPS as the architecture became outdated yet this decade, and slightly earlier. Iksperdnoe judgement?

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E>> In the first, such concept as "processors for " does not exist. You invented him some posts above. Ops> moreover and the demagogue. Without exact determinations talk will be . Ops> So any microcontroller falls under concept SoC, even 8-bit - there both the processor, and storage, including non-volatile, and various additional units almost. All that is necessary for embedded system. The microcontroller does not fall under determination SoC. Besides no all SoC have on a crystal neither EPROM nor DRAM still what or storage except . Ops> it is simple  are inclined to produce the treatment of the term as it is unique true, ostensibly SoC should be the computer, and anything else. Simply someone a ram also does not know a subject. E>> in the fourth, MIPS as the architecture became outdated yet this decade, and slightly earlier. Ops> Iksperdnoe judgement? MIPS abandoned niche PC in 80 if that. And since then lives in the core in low-productive "military" decisions.

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Hello, eskimo82, you wrote: E> the microcontroller does not fall under determination SoC. Besides no all SoC have on a crystal neither EPROM nor DRAM still what or storage except . It it under  determination does not fall. E> it is simple someone a ram and does not know a subject. So I from it and the beginnings. It is possible to begin with , for example, that such PSoC (a speaking title?) and to understand a subject. E> MIPS abandoned niche PC in 80 if that. And since then lives in the core in low-productive "military" decisions. At what here niche PC?

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E>> the microcontroller does not fall under determination SoC. Besides no all SoC have on a crystal neither EPROM nor DRAM still what or storage except . Ops> It it under  determination does not fall. If fell, too the microchip would write fat letters SoC instead of MCU. Does it make sense for you? E>> it is simple someone a ram and does not know a subject. Ops> so I from it and the beginnings. It is possible to begin with , for example, that such PSoC (a speaking title?) and to understand a subject. MCU it is primary. E>> MIPS abandoned niche PC in 80 if that. And since then lives in the core in low-productive "military" decisions. Ops> at what here niche PC? Thus that since then MIPS did not do any cardinal breaks. There were any attempts at the beginning of a handheld computer to use MIPS but they with a crash failed, ARM benefited and selected at first a niche of mobile devices and then and embedded.

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Hello, eskimo82, you wrote: E> If fell, too the microchip would write fat letters SoC instead of MCU. Does it make sense for you? Cypress even family so named, and? E> MCU it is primary. Also what? It does not do it not SoC. E> Thus that MIPS did not do since then any cardinal breaks. E> there were any attempts at the beginning of a handheld computer to use MIPS but they with a crash failed, ARM benefited and selected at first a niche of mobile devices and then and embedded. It because you do not see the huge market outside of computers and mobile phones. At me a router on MIPS as speak , for a long time the dead.

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E>> If fell, too the microchip would write fat letters SoC instead of MCU. Does it make sense for you? Ops> Cypress even family so named, and? It is unfamiliar with cypress and I can not judge . But  PSoC outside of production of this  does not exist. E>> MCU it is primary. Ops> also what? It does not do it not SoC. SoC and MCU absolutely different pieces (If is not reached from the first). Baikal writes in black and white: SoC. Here it is not necessary to stretch here 8 MCU. E>> Thus that MIPS did not do since then any cardinal breaks. E>> there were any attempts at the beginning of a handheld computer to use MIPS but they with a crash failed, ARM benefited and selected at first a niche of mobile devices and then and embedded. Ops> It because you do not see the huge market outside of computers and mobile phones. I just "live" outside of computers and mobile phones if that. E>> At me a router on MIPS as speak , for a long time the dead. Was so: MIPS as the architecture became outdated yet this decade, and slightly earlier. Became outdated does not mean was able (your Kep). If your router on MIPS that is yours and only yours .

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Hello, eskimo82, you wrote: E> It is unfamiliar with cypress and I can not judge . But  PSoC outside of production of this  does not exist. It most likely the registered brand with what it to be at others? And firm known and if you dealt with  should know. E> SoC and MCU absolutely different pieces (If is not reached from the first). Pieces different, simply it is 2 intersected sets. Simply more often MCU it SoC. Simply at you a wedge in a brain on any own determination SoC. E> I just "live" outside of computers and mobile phones if that. And outside of electronics, similar. E> became outdated does not mean was able (your Kep). If your router on MIPS that is yours and only yours . I do not have problems, under it even insertions everyone couple of weeks are updated.

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E>> It is unfamiliar with cypress and I can not judge . But  PSoC outside of production of this  does not exist. Ops> it most likely the registered brand with what it to be at others?  a brand instead of ? And firm known and if you dealt with  should know. Once again: was specific I work with SoC. E>> SoC and MCU absolutely different pieces (If is not reached from the first). Ops> Pieces different, simply it is 2 intersected sets. No. Not intersected absolutely. Simply more often MCU it SoC. MCU it MCU, SoC it SoC. In between there are no intersections. Simply at you a wedge in a brain on any own determination SoC. More possibly that at you simply incorrect representations. Ops> and outside of electronics, similar. It is difficult enough owing to specificity of operation and company position in the market (AMD our competitor if that). Ops> I do not have problems, under it even insertions everyone couple of weeks are updated. I am glad for you.

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Hello, eskimo82, you wrote: E> Once again: was specific I work with SoC. At the best with their any subset.

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Hello, Kernan, you wrote: K> Malines costs 3.500 in the Russian Federation, Odroid it is even less. Even the long journey begins with the first step (those companions who do to Malines.

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E>> Once again: was specific I work with SoC. Ops> At the best with their any subset. I repeat for alternatively presented: 8 bit MCU and 2 nuclear 32-bit SoC are absolutely different things. More  details you  to study.

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Hello, eskimo82, you wrote: K>> If it , the price normal. E> considering that it is the Chip-and-dip the real price most likely is less on 20-30 %. Time in 2-3, I would tell