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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Hello, labradorgibraltar, you wrote: L>> Unless not 30 days? It is right it is possible not to hand over at all but then period of exception of the rights never begins. VD> is not present. In flow of 3 days from coming into force. And coming into force in flow of 10 days if not to appeal against. VD> there is one problem. I plan in the middle of June in holiday to set. Round is already paid. As though meeting did not assign on this period. I will try about it in the appeal to write. 1. Do not assign. You only in the middle of June will submit the appeal (well , numbers of 7-8th). Meeting somewhere + in a month assign. I.e. consider that in the beginning of July it will be. 2. If SUDDENLY assign - that send the camp-up on mail. You will not receive it, then will arrive to court and will show tickets, stamps in the passport etc. - you were not, will make the petition for transfer. There (in courts) anything instantly does not become. I had a meeting 9.01, the appeal was carried 18.01, sent the camp-up on 26.02. Transferred court on 22.03. Recently here (in the middle of May!!!) sent the camp-up that I behind a judgement was (and the decision can also sent). But I am rare in a mail box I look, therefore this message I too

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> There is one problem. I plan in the middle of June in holiday to set. Round is already paid. As though meeting did not assign on this period. I will try about it in the appeal to write. Is better right now will quickly hand over the rights, to have a rest and on autumn, repeating examinations, to receive them reversely. Otherwise it is necessary to walk on foot in the winter.

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VD> Corruption is everywhere and always. And freaks are everywhere and always. At the USSR of a brothel sufficed. And cops were far not angels. The question only in scales and level on which it happens. Try to "agree" in a similar situation with the Finnish police. It will be a sad story. Well and the legislation our strange. ". The penalty at a rate of five thousand roubles or deprivation of the right of control by vehicles for the term from four about six months." Such fork - already a field for corruption. The law provokes bribery, it is clear after all that any instead of deprivation of the rights gives to police ten is better and pays quintuple, than gives the rights to half a year.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> As predicted many sceptics (here at a forum), the judge carried out the decision on which I should hand over the rights. As is not sad to recognize, but sceptics were right. Whether it is possible to struggle with a militian arbitrariness in Russia? It is possible! - Vladimir from Moscow speaks to us the cheerful example. In spite of the fact that he decided to dispute actions of the inspector in court, to it the dress of OMON did not come to apartment with automatic machines, did not cut a door, and did not twist it for 15 days in  so be not afraid, friends, and you to defend the rights. Even after a train of unique coincidence - at first unique unfair  in all traffic police got to Vladimir, and then  more the rare occurence - after that got at once to it unique in court  the judge - Vladimir is full of strength also optimism, and intends and to convict further employees of traffic police and the workers of court insufficiently qualitatively fulfilling the duties. ( characters invented, the name is changed)

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> And you think to the top management here it favourably? Same also creates that protest electorate. Yes, favourably, but is not present, does not create because the majority of people even does not know about the rights and does not protect them. VD> the court after all too formally did not refuse request of video. Here only the judge already knew that month transited. Well time you consider that the judge and the public prosecutor not at the same time you not to benefit any court. VD> I will mandatory submit. The appeal is as a matter of fact and there is a complaint. No, you can make the complaint on  the specific judge in board of judges of your city. It not the appeal, is the complaint to action of the judge. VD>  on  hardly accepts. And it is very far. I think from NPA and in the Supreme court do not start up. Though it would be interesting for clarifying. Well, and I nevertheless while will remain the optimist. All start up, read  and the base for submission in . VD> And what the lawyer against such lawlessness something makes? Or the judge is simply frightened of it? Variant two, competently and in time makes complaints and petitions that then  persons could arrange unsweetened life or acquaints with Akakiem Akakievichem, at least in the south all justice  and there the lawyer is used as the messenger, can and here would work.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> All greetings. VD>... Vlad, I fairly do not understand on what you hoped and continue to hope. What you know laws is better, the procedural right and other knowledge is better than the good lawyer? All goes to that you will become the pedestrian, and you persistently want to make all. Find the good lawyer, go on consultation, it gives all deal to you. Even if it makes all in the same way as you would make also, you all the same to benefit have less than chances. Once there was at me an epopee in court (not traffic regulations, another) where I was ready to appear, on what to me the lawyer told that if the choice will not be, I will appear, of course, but better it in every possible way to avoid. My question why answered that judges do not love, when at court there are nonprofessional lawyers. A pier, much easier, when in court generally only representatives of the sides.

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M> ( characters invented, the name is changed) I Consider that gloating very vile feeling, and it is absolutely not glad to an event. But, a pancake what would be if he benefited? Vlad and so permanently writes arguments of level: "you say lies all!", "it not so!", " is not present, I was the observer!", "all you say lies, doctors and teachers well earn! At the acquaintance doctors and teachers!" And similar. And when to it furnish the proof (in the form of mathematical formulas, accounts, pay-sheets), disappears. So the argument would be added still: "all say lies! Courts work perfectly! Itself checked!".

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Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: M>> ( characters invented, the name is changed) DB> I Consider that gloating very vile feeling, and it is absolutely not glad to an event. So, there is no gloating, the person on the sly opens for itself  the world, let not at once, but small short steps, unless it is not fine? DB> but, a pancake what would be if he benefited? Vlad and so permanently writes arguments of level: "you say lies all!", "it not so!", " is not present, I was the observer!", "all you say lies, doctors and teachers well earn! At the acquaintance doctors and teachers!" And similar. And when to it furnish the proof (in the form of mathematical formulas, accounts, pay-sheets), disappears. So the argument would be added still: "all say lies! Courts work perfectly! Itself checked!". So it works irrespective of presence or absence of gloating.

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Hello, De-Bill, you wrote: M>> ( characters invented, the name is changed) DB> I Consider that gloating very vile feeling, and it is absolutely not glad to an event. DB> but, a pancake what would be if he benefited? Vlad and so permanently writes arguments of level: "you say lies all!", "it not so!", " is not present, I was the observer!", "all you say lies, doctors and teachers well earn! At the acquaintance doctors and teachers!" And similar. And when to it furnish the proof (in the form of mathematical formulas, accounts, pay-sheets), disappears. So the argument would be added still: "all say lies! Courts work perfectly! Itself checked!". And courts also work perfectly. Competently and perfectly condemn

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VD> As predicted many sceptics (here at a forum), the judge carried out the decision on which I should hand over the rights. As is not sad to recognize, but sceptics were right. Vlad, and not seems to you, what finally  - you slightly broke all also the inspector slightly broke?

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Hello, Victor Ivanidze, you wrote: VI> Vlad, and not seems to you, what finally  - you slightly broke all also the inspector slightly broke? That finally all was valid - it is necessary that the inspector was punished.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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VI>> Vlad, and not seems to you, what finally  - you slightly broke all also the inspector slightly broke? _R _> That finally all was valid - it is necessary that the inspector was punished. No. The inspector can break and hopes that it . Vlad  can and too hopes. As the inspector is closer to power levers, the inspector has more than chances. When Vlad abuses the power here, at a forum, it  on  impunity. And here he met road "moderator" and received that received. The karma law  works!

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Hello, Victor Ivanidze, you wrote: VI> Is not present. The inspector can break and hopes that it . Vlad  can and too hopes. As the inspector is closer to power levers, the inspector has more than chances. Yes it is not important at whom what chances. Everyone was punished - validly. Is not present? Means not validly. VI> when Vlad abuses the power here, at a forum, it  on  impunity. And here he met road "moderator" and received that received. It not justice, and "at the neighbor the cow died". VI> the karma Law  works! Start up works, only here to justice it has no relation.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, mike_rs, you wrote: _> Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD>> There is one problem. I plan in the middle of June in holiday to set. Round is already paid. As though meeting did not assign on this period. I will try about it in the appeal to write. _> is better right now will quickly hand over the rights, to have a rest and on autumn, repeating examinations, to receive them reversely. Otherwise it is necessary to walk on foot in the winter. Basically yes, the appeal only delays delivery of the rights to 1-2 months, but in the positive result does not result. But I is better would do a bit of traveling by the machine in the summer. On operation with the air conditioner, on a summer residence it is possible to leave normally. And in the winter already in the warm bus, the underground. In the summer full   in them.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: VD>> Corruption is everywhere and always. And freaks are everywhere and always. At the USSR of a brothel sufficed. And cops were far not angels. TSP> a question only in scales and level on which it happens. Try to "agree" in a similar situation with the Finnish police. It will be a sad story. TSP> well and the legislation our strange. ". The penalty at a rate of five thousand roubles or deprivation of the right of control by vehicles for the term from four about six months." Such fork - already a field for corruption. The law provokes bribery, it is clear after all that any instead of deprivation of the rights gives to police ten is better and pays quintuple, than gives the rights to half a year. No fork (between the penalty and deprivation) is present. Here deprivation 4-6 - a fork. Depends most likely on gravity of violation. But as retrained my turn on the left in departure with almost head-on collision (I am surprised that "killed" nobody thus) I do not know that there still can be heavier. If killed? The penalty for  and excess +60 - ONLY at automatic fixing. As at automatic fixing ONLY the penalty to select the rights after shooting by the camera not can. At a stop the employee - deprivation. The court can (but is not obliged), considering softening circumstances and necessity to replace deprivation with the penalty. For example if you work as the driver.

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> Start up works, only here to justice it has no relation. It agree. But we have those inspectors and those judges whom we deserve. If ourselves consider that sometimes it is possible to break, if to us so it is more convenient, also the inspector with the judge too so consider. It is assured, as the inspector and at the judge had reasons why it was select more conveniently at Vlad the rights.

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U> No fork (between the penalty and deprivation) is present. U> the Court can (but is not obliged), considering softening circumstances and necessity to replace deprivation with the penalty. I see the contradiction. U> for example if you work as the driver. Or brought money.

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_R _> Yes it is not important at whom what chances. Everyone was punished - validly. Is not present? Means not validly. The colleague, I do not know, whether you agree with me, but generally with justice in the world is watched . Global. _R _> it not justice, and "at the neighbor the cow died". This not selected, and karmic punishment.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: U>> For example if you work as the driver. TSP> or brought money. GAI officers too are able to write complaints to judges. There will be no judge so to risk because of 4 deprivations of the rights.

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Hello, Victor Ivanidze, you wrote: VI> Vlad, and not seems to you, what finally  - you slightly broke all also the inspector slightly broke? Unless slightly? The infringer - that the recidivist, it meaningly went against a sign and so every day. The court correctly executed an essence of the law, and Vlad tries to change spirit of the law pedantry.

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Hello, CodeSniffer, you wrote: CS> Unless slightly? The infringer - that the recidivist, it meaningly went against a sign and so every day. The court correctly executed an essence of the law, and Vlad tries to change spirit of the law pedantry. On this logic it it was possible to judge "murder" under article, the law essence too would be saved, the infringer-recidivist is neutralized for life.

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, you excuse, I actually sympathize with you. Itself I have legal proceedings with a water canal about the open manhole and the damaged machine. And the machine in garage a year (though basically for a year would be useful dozen times at most). But basically, if you to replace on "% %" the situation pleases. For broken all the same receives punishment, despite all its cunnings.

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Hello, TimurSPB, you wrote: U>> For example if you work as the driver. TSP> or brought money. To the judge? Well indirectly through the lawyer, yes.

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Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S> Druzhe, you excuse, I actually sympathize with you. Itself I have legal proceedings with a water canal about the open manhole and the damaged machine. And the machine in garage a year (though basically for a year would be useful dozen times at most). S> But basically if you to replace on "% %" the situation pleases. For broken all the same receives punishment What you the rested Vlad and does not deny (and in it there was its error on court) that it broke. And punishment for it 1500 roubles of the penalty. S> despite all its cunnings. It not cunnings, and attempts legally competently to defend the rights (constitutional, instead of driver's). Here you think simply so transferred court on that period when it is officially destroyed video-zapis in GAI? (Though as on me, such records should be considered as the proof and be stored separately, to the full legal investigation). I think that not casually. If to look - at this court not 20 put daily. Could assign to Vlad listenings the next day, it would bring the petitions, files and .

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: _>> is better right now will quickly hand over the rights, to have a rest and on autumn, repeating examinations, to receive them reversely. Otherwise it is necessary to walk on foot in the winter. U> basically yes, the appeal only delays delivery of the rights to 1-2 months, but in the positive result does not result. U> but I is better would do a bit of traveling by the machine in the summer. On operation with the air conditioner, on a summer residence it is possible to leave normally. And in the winter already in the warm bus, the underground. In the summer full   in them. Well here it is necessary to look, to whom when and where to go on FROM more comfortable. To me for example in the winter inconveniently, very long to stick out at stops, to freeze. ps: all the same to it now it is impossible to go, the rights are already paused...