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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> Vlad also does not deny (and in it there was its error on court) that it broke. And punishment for it 1500 roubles of the penalty. Nevertheless, it broke.  the Author: VladD2 Date: 17.04 13:19. S>> despite all its cunnings. U> it not cunnings, and attempts legally competently to defend the rights (constitutional, instead of driver's). And what its constitutional laws are restrained? I did not track events... U> Here you think simply so transferred court on that period when it is officially destroyed video-zapis in GAI? (Though as on me, such records should be considered as the proof and be stored separately, to the full legal investigation). It has been filed? U> I think that not casually. If to look - at this court not 20 put daily. Could assign to Vlad listenings the next day, it would bring the petitions, files and . Vlad submitted petitions for it?

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Hello, aik, you wrote: aik> does not create. You broke and admitted - protest electorate any more very much sympathize with infringers. Further, you punished, how it seems to you, disproportionately, but to walk on foot 3 months (or 6? Not important) is not to sit the prison 3 months, i.e. in general that the hogwash, a taxi and  is, the wife with the rights - will worry. Thus the offense is punished, the lesson is presented, anybody did not give bribes to anybody - against what masses, was specific should protest? The rhetorical answer: against system not aimed at reduction of number of road accident and environment improving. Next time Vlad tries to pay off.

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Hello, Victor Ivanidze, you wrote: VI> Vlad, and not seems to you, what finally  - you slightly broke all also the inspector slightly broke?-1 since punishment was incurred only by one of them. If road accident lowering Vlad would get off with the warning since he did not create any dangerous situation was the traffic police purpose.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> As predicted many sceptics (here at a forum), the judge carried out the decision on which I should hand over the rights. As is not sad to recognize, but sceptics were right. VD> though the hope dies away in the face of. It you yet  with the Russian validity in army (a smilie to taste). In Russia from  and from prison do not promise...

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S> If road accident lowering Vlad would get off with the warning since he did not create any dangerous situation was the traffic police purpose. That is you state, what the decision on danger of a situation should be accepted by the driver, and it is possible to forget about traffic regulations?

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Hello, Skorodum, you wrote: aik>> Thus the offense is punished, the lesson is presented, anybody did not give bribes to anybody - against what masses, was specific should protest? S> the rhetorical answer: against system not aimed at reduction of number of road accident and environment improving. Next time Vlad tries to pay off. It is the slogan, and the question was about a reality. The system caught the infringer, and it will break less. The inspector, the judge performed operation. What on the protest poster it is necessary to write? Return the rights to the malicious infringer?

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Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S> But basically if you to replace on "% %" the situation pleases. For broken all the same receives punishment, despite all its cunnings. , does not please. One of the sides should follow traffic regulations and KoAP as is, and another on * twirled by them, absolutely with impunity, so it is impossible, people in epaulets . It received not punishment for offense, and  for .

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Hello, mike_rs, you wrote: _> ps: all the same to it now it is impossible to go, the rights are already paused... It is possible. The decision did not enter force yet. Enters in 10 days. If in this time appeals, it is possible to go before appeal court meeting.

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Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S>>> despite all its cunnings. U>> it not cunnings, and attempts legally competently to defend the rights (constitutional, instead of driver's). S> And what its constitutional laws are restrained? I did not track events... But you condemn U>> Here think simply so transferred court on that period when it is officially destroyed video-zapis in GAI? (Though as on me, such records should be considered as the proof and be stored separately, to the full legal investigation). S> It has been filed? Vlad petitioned for it. Court transferred, on that period when already to petition there was nothing. The constitutional law on an objective and all-round legal investigation, somehow so is broken. At me such violations of 6 pieces in the appeal. With instructions - that is broken and why. On a working computer this appeal, therefore accurate information does not lie at me I will not tell. U>> I think that not casually. If to look - at this court not 20 put daily. Could assign to Vlad listenings the next day, it would bring the petitions, files and . S> Vlad submitted petitions for it? I.e. you consider normal, what time it broke, it it is possible, I will not be afraid this word,  on a trifle? It as though court, instead of shopkeepers in the Turkish market. At me for example video was still live. But the judge asked at  - "there is video? Is not present? Well and it is fine". Did not ask me - whether I want to look at video? Whether I want to file, to submit the WRITTEN petition. All became clear to me about (my) court when I told that I want to interrogate the witness, and the judge told "Why you anywhere did not specify its data?". Though the data was in the protocol. It became clear that not court, and production action. Nobody got acquainted with an essence of the matter, with participants, with particulars. There is  a circuit and all.

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Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S> Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U>> Vlad also does not deny (and in it there was its error on court) that it broke. And punishment for it 1500 roubles of the penalty. S> nevertheless, it broke.  the Author: VladD2 Date: 17.04 13:19. I do not know, whether it is necessary to some people to try to explain, or not, but I will try nevertheless. Here present a situation, you did not include the turn pointer at evolution is realized, and for it the court deprived of you the rights. I specially exaggerate, that at last it became clear that responsibility needs to be carried such which is provided by the law. And now before you a choice to appeal, or to leave the rights that did not include the turn pointer. And someone thus generally tells that for disconnect  it is necessary to shoot, with it too to agree.

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Hello, Victor Ivanidze, you wrote: S>> If road accident lowering Vlad would get off with the warning since he did not create any dangerous situation was the traffic police purpose. VI> that is you state, what the decision on danger of a situation should be accepted by the driver, and it is possible to forget about traffic regulations? And whom else? If you go and without violation of traffic regulations are rebuilt - you estimate danger of a situation, are not rebuilt sideways to the machine in an adjacent row. If you overtake there where it is possible - you estimate danger and do not fly under wheels to a counter waggon. You make way at a nonadjustable crossroads, you pass or you do not pass the pedestrian - you always itself estimate danger of the actions. Simply for it you do not punish, since on traffic regulations. It is not necessary to forget about them, but it is necessary to remember that if broke - punish. As here correctly told aik is there was not a punishment for offense, and indicative  that did not bribe. Dissolved also it and me for no reason. And I walk on foot, it still butts, and the inspector catches the following. Compliant casually drop money in a luggage carrier of its machine, and pig-headed walk on courts. It would not appear in such situation - too would doubt, about an empty place.

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Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S> But basically if you to replace on "% %" the situation pleases. For broken all the same receives punishment, despite all its cunnings. What cunnings? Also what can please in illegal punishment? Can start to shoot for all crimes?

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Hello, Victor Ivanidze, you wrote: VI> Vlad, and not seems to you, what finally  - you slightly broke all also the inspector slightly broke? It not seems. If similar to let, they can really start catch stupidly generally innocent people in streets and on bribes to bend. The penalty should be under the law. I broke on 1.5 thousand. If someone considers that this inadequate punishment, it is necessary to change KoAP, instead of to let a frank lawlessness.

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Hello, vladislav_somov, you wrote: _> Vlad, I fairly do not understand on what you hoped and continue to hope. _> what you know laws is better, the procedural right and other knowledge is better than the good lawyer? Well, I not is worse 90 % of these lawyers can study demanded laws for a specific case. With logic at me all APPRX. Laws to read me too learned. Knowledge we receive on a play course. Well, and it is banal interesting and not so . The good lawyer costs much, and from normal will be more harm. _> all goes to that you will become the pedestrian, and you persistently want to make all. We still look at it. _> find the good lawyer, go on consultation, it gives all deal to you. And that it actually gives that what I cannot take? That I did not break that 8.6 already installed court the Author: VladD2 Date: 31.05 18:53. The judge speaking about it words during meetings changed 8.6 on 1.3. About such course I learned still when talked to the chief of group of analysis. 1.3 cannot conduct to at all selection of the rights as it would not contain the description  on which I it appeared on . It is pure arbitrariness to judge. I already ask this question here the third time. You can can answer it? Than the lawyer in case of an arbitrariness of the judge helps? _> even if it all makes in the same way as you would make also, you all the same to benefit have less than chances. Why? _> once there was at me an epopee in court (not traffic regulations, another) where I was ready to appear, on what to me the lawyer told that if the choice will not be, I will appear, of course, but better it in every possible way to avoid. My question why answered that judges do not love, when at court there are nonprofessional lawyers. A pier, much easier, when in court generally only representatives of the sides. Well, here it as. Formally I the professional lawyer, as formation at me legal. Here experts - 0. Unless the logic is trained for 20 years of programming. Here I resulted a judgement and the outputs. You can look. As to consultation of the strong lawyers I am possible to it and I will resort. But in court it would be desirable to be most, instead of to be the observer. I nevertheless hope that in our society it is possible to achieve  the decision.

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Hello, Kernan, you wrote: K> Yes, favourably, Than? K> but is not present, does not create because the majority of people even does not know about the rights and does not protect them. For creation of protest electorate protection of the rights and other - angrily. People should be angered simply and  in them a faith that truths not to achieve. On choices always select the bad. All is bad. Here then it is possible and   even if all is inventions. K> is not present, you can make the complaint on  the specific judge in board of judges of your city. It not the appeal, is the complaint to action of the judge. It is other question. K> All start up, read  and the base for submission in . You very far send it. If something you know, give specific references. Is mandatory I esteem. K> the Variant two, competently and in time makes complaints and petitions that then  persons could arrange unsweetened life or acquaints with Akakiem Akakievichem, at least in the south all justice  and there the lawyer is used as the messenger, can and here would work. Here to bring in essence I do not want. About the competent complaint in due time is an argument. Here I will agree. If I during time submitted petitions to traffic police now would have proofs of the words in the form of the video record. In other, now the question already became more basic. Charge in violation of point 8.6 of traffic regulations from me removed. Instead of it pushed full  and a burning loss - point 1.3. It it is simple there is nothing: Participants of traffic are obliged to know and observe requirements of Rules concerning them, signals of traffic lights, signs and a marking, and also to fulfill instructions of the traffic controlers operating within the rights given to it and regulating traffic by installed signals. In it simply there is no determination of illegal departure on . And article 12.15 point 4 is : Departure in violation of Traffic regulations on a band intended for oncoming traffic, or on tram ways of a counter direction, except for the cases provided by a part of 3 present articles, In charge till 12.15 item 4 there should be a link to point of traffic regulations in which departure on  is described. I agree that this  is calculated that before the judge a woodpecker not knowing laws and not able them to search and read. But it is not my case. To search and read is my trade. And laws where are easier, than a bang with software development. Certainly it is difficult to study on a play course. But it and is interesting.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Well, here it as. Formally I the professional lawyer, as formation at me legal. Here experts - 0. Unless the logic is trained for 20 years of programming. Vlad there was a friend advice, I will not persuade. Here you can check, the lawyer you good, or the programmer. Here after all still the variant is. Let for you the lawyer programs, while you with court are occupied. For you it like approximately identical. If he writes the bad program, you then  will deprive of it P.S.: There is, in my opinion, only one justification, with the finance hardly that lawyer to pay. Well then yes, problems. And differently on a masochism similar. However, I and in this case do not dissuade you. Arrive, as you wish.

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Hello, snautSH, you wrote: VD>> Here it as? If I am real on  went, questions would not be. But same a lawlessness! And here I will better go on a principle. SH> as to you here many times spoke there is no positive corruption, it or is or not if they extort money from whom that for  that will extort and not for  both liberals and liberal newspapers, to which you , here not and. Extort from one will extort and from another. Simply Vlad decided to go va-bank. He thought that if wins a victory in court over ours  to all forum proves as in Russia it is possible to solve court problems how to punish guilty (the same policeman). And all turned out as at everything, its our system simply moved and without noting. I at the relative had 30 witnesses and it changed nothing, while it did not employ the lawyer for 50  roubles. While our courts will use the term - there is no reason not to trust  even the sense is not present most there to walk, only the good lawyer with a wide experience of similar affairs.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> And you think to the top management here it favourably? Same also creates that protest electorate. I do not know it favourably or not for the top management, for the majority of problems there are very simple decisions. For example the court is reached in the core only  by affairs. Why not to legalize mandatory video fixing of violation for the fault proof? There is no video - a maximum the penalty. We discharge courts, by the order we reduce corruption. Why the top management does not change current system? Whence at us the concept the plan on continuous/traffic light/transition undertook? Who these plans invented also who them lowers downwards? Well it is clear what not Putin invented them, but I do not trust that about it do not know in the Ministry of Internal Affairs on top.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> I do not know it favourably or not for the top management, for the majority of problems there are very simple decisions. For example the court is reached in the core only  by affairs. Why not to legalize mandatory video fixing of violation for the fault proof? There is no video - a maximum the penalty. We discharge courts, by the order we reduce corruption. Why the top management does not change current system? Whence at us the concept the plan on continuous/traffic light/transition undertook? Who these plans invented also who them lowers downwards? Well it is clear what not Putin invented them, but I do not trust that about it do not know in the Ministry of Internal Affairs on top. It completely agree! Even in Ukraine send in addition that to each policeman produced on the camera and forced to walk with them and to remove everything that they do. Most it is ridiculous that cameras remove. And they hand over this business in archive. But here there is no duty to prove these videos. At us in KoAP the guilt presumption is actually entered. If the inspector told, it already the proof. And you are obliged to refute its words. It is natural that the saying lies inspector will do everything that proofs have been destroyed naturally. And generally, not clearly, why it is impossible to store records at least a floor of year? What at traffic police is not present  on winchesters or other mass carriers? But their law even does not force to do it, and their chief explicitly protected them speaking about  video shootings (itself knowing that she is obliged to be conducted under the internal instruction).

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Hello, Victor Ivanidze, you wrote: VI> When Vlad abuses the power here, at a forum, it  on  impunity. And here he met road "moderator" and received that received. VI> the karma law  works!

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> it completely agree! Even in Ukraine send in addition that to each policeman produced on the camera and forced to walk with them and to remove everything that they do. VD> most it is ridiculous that cameras remove. And they hand over this business in archive. But here there is no duty to prove these videos. At us in KoAP the guilt presumption is actually entered. If the inspector told, it already the proof. And you are obliged to refute its words. It is natural that the saying lies inspector will do everything that proofs have been destroyed naturally. VD> and generally, not clearly why it is impossible to store records at least a floor of year? What at traffic police is not present  on winchesters or other mass carriers? VD> but even it does not force to do their law, and their chief explicitly protected them speaking about  video shootings (itself knowing that she is obliged to be conducted under the internal instruction). Then the output if laws do not change arises, it means to the top management favourably. There would be a desire - would change quickly enough. It I answer the previous question: VD> And you think to the top management here it favourably? Who turns out is guilty in your situation more, the false policeman or the top management which created for him all conditions and does not try to correct it scanty changes in the law?

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Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S> Druzhe, you excuse, I actually sympathize with you. Itself I have legal proceedings with a water canal about the open manhole and the damaged machine. And the machine in garage a year (though basically for a year would be useful dozen times at most). S> But basically if you to replace on "% %" the situation pleases. For broken all the same receives punishment, despite all its cunnings. I.e. if you break speed on 20km/ch, and of you deprive of the rights is will be excellent?

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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W> Vlad, well you understood now that when about cops they tell that worthless things, it is truth. Not all. But there it is a lot of shit. I and knew earlier it. But earlier all of them caught for real violations. Well, can formal, can the confused. But here and so to take and to stretch out of the blue an owl on the globe violation on 1.5  on violation for which on half a year of the rights deprive, such I see for the first time. And that here so impudently to say lies under the oath before it it is distinct hearing that at other side is that proof that it says lies is generally I even I can not understand. It either improbable nonsense or a faith in the impunity.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Then the output if laws do not change arises, it means to the top management favourably. There would be a desire - would change quickly enough. I would not tell that them at all do not change. Here that now  cannot select stupidly the right is already huge plus. I all this time go by the machine, instead of I walk on foot. The rights are selected on former by them, but after a judgement. The question with cameras simply is not regulated by laws. It is bad. Also it would be necessary to force somehow deputies it to correct. But the main problem not in laws, and here in such here  as this of the inspector and this judge. Well, the judge still within limits, is mistaken probably. And here this inspector absolutely lost coast. D> who Turns out is guilty in your situation more, the false policeman or the top management which created for him all conditions and does not try to correct it scanty changes in the law? Whether we still look at all conditions it created. Can and on me of a few conditions remains. But, yes. It agree. Here such persons feel very much even confidently. Behave impudently. Think that drift solves all problems. I by the way think that it already there brought did not turn sour. So in any sense it is already punished. But it would be desirable to defend nevertheless the correctness and to be engaged in its more serious punishment. Lies under the oath is already a crime.