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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> And that here so impudently to say lies under the oath before it it is distinct hearing that at other side is that proof that it says lies is generally I even I can not understand. It either improbable nonsense or a faith in the impunity. No, there in bulk mongrels. The nastiest that is no real mechanism of their punishment. On mine as soon as now any cop tells that it cannot be removed, it should be ousted - at once. Told lies - at least at once from a post. But it does not work. . There are also normal cops.

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Hello, steep8, you wrote: S> It is necessary to understand that lawyers it is humanists who learned there can be main cases, but a step to the left/step to the right and all a stupor. So matter is not in correctness, and in any experience. At other equal, the lawyer, engaged in such affairs, would not allow to gape  video, it would be already in course about its periods of storage.

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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W> I.e. if you break speed on 20km/ch, and of you deprive of the rights is it will be excellent? If for +20 on a place will select the rights to 2-4 weeks (and generally for everyone superfluous 10km/ch to add 2 weeks) and not to tear up even small monetary  (it generally a bad invention with penalties), it will be more valid and better almost from different directions, except filling of the budget of region and pockets of GAI officers. Well, clearly, with competent signs, a marking and without ambushes in unexpected places.

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Hello, mrTwister, you wrote: CS>> Unless slightly? The infringer - that the recidivist, it meaningly went against a sign and so every day. The court correctly executed an essence of the law, and Vlad tries to change spirit of the law pedantry. T> on this logic it it was possible to judge "murder" under article, the law essence too would be saved, the infringer-recidivist is neutralized for life. In what here there would be a saving of an essence of the law?

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Hello, Skorodum, you wrote: S>-1 since punishment was incurred only by one of them. S> If road accident lowering Vlad would get off with the warning since he did not create any dangerous situation was the traffic police purpose. "Aim traffic police" and "inspector Ignatov" is two absolutely different essences, what for punishment for the inspector want? It is necessary to punish traffic police, the inspector only writes a program strictly on  the customer fulfills the plan lowered by the heads.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VI>> Vlad, and not seems to you, what finally  - you slightly broke all also the inspector slightly broke? VD> it not seems. If similar to let, they can really start catch stupidly generally innocent people in streets and on bribes to bend. What for it it, if circle of full real infringers? I here specially, after yours here stories, began to watch lately as the people turn at crossroads and turns in a court yard. Yes 90 % call in on half-meter-meter on the double continuous. Take any and necks business, what for innocent to touch?

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> Vlad petitioned for it. Court transferred, on that period when already to petition there was nothing. U> the constitutional law on an objective and all-round legal investigation, somehow so Is broken. Strasbourg reach with Vlad? Like just for  business.

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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W> I.e. if you break speed on 20km/ch, and of you deprive of the rights is it will be excellent? It meaningly intersected continuous, passing on . On a diagonal or it is perpendicular - yes . It was on adjoining road, it could not turn on the left, at it on a way was continuous. And then it  turned on the left, ignoring a sign and a marking. All. That any attempts "it not  are ignored, I  broke" is I consider as excellent news. " did not see a wheel"... Yes to it them to see absolutely optional. He noted the machine before a sign "only to the right" and continuous between bands. And then saw it which have turned on the left. All.

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Hello, aik, you wrote: aik> It is the slogan, and the question was about a reality. The system caught the infringer, and it will break less. The inspector, the judge performed operation. What on the protest poster it is necessary to write? Return the rights to the malicious infringer? On the contrary, it should be deprived the rights earlier since that at it many small violations itself admitted. It is difficult to think seriously that the Russian traffic regulations and  wrote not full  when absolutely easy it is possible to exceed systematically speed in settlement on 19 km/h when a pedestrian crossing through 4 strip road with speed of driving 80 + the km/h is norm etc.

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Hello, Skorodum, you wrote: aik>> It is the slogan, and the question was about a reality. The system caught the infringer, and it will break less. The inspector, the judge performed operation. What on the protest poster it is necessary to write? Return the rights to the malicious infringer? S> on the contrary, it should be deprived the rights earlier since that at it many small violations itself admitted. "Mayor Kuimbi even set free the recidivist the Bean six!!! Vote for the new mayor - the Bean six"? ()." Select at Vlad the rights by rules, instead of concepts "- it is not enough for the poster and the protest and as that  sounds. S> it is difficult to think seriously that the Russian traffic regulations and  wrote not full  when absolutely easy it is possible to exceed systematically speed in settlement on 19 km/h when a pedestrian crossing through 4 strip road with speed of driving 80 + the km/h is norm etc. Here for it I is just quiet - gradually finish to made observance of a high-speed mode, and money in underground passages dig with all the heart.

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Hello, aik, you wrote: aik> "Mayor Kuimbi even set free the recidivist the Bean six!!! Vote for the new mayor - the Bean six"? (). In this part of the world of sending to  rarely make sense aik> Here for it I just it is quiet - gradually finish to made observance of a high-speed mode Is not present. At us the penalty does not depend on the income. Companions of type  can easy break and not be soared. aik> and money in underground passages dig with all the heart. In it and a problem. Money spend, but a problem do not solve.

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Hello, aik, you wrote: aik> Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W>> I.e. if you break speed on 20km/ch, and of you deprive of the rights is it will be excellent? aik> if for +20 on a place will select the rights to 2-4 weeks (and generally for everyone superfluous 10km/ch to add 2 weeks) and not to tear up even small monetary  (it generally a bad invention with penalties), it will be more valid and better almost from different directions, except filling of the budget of region and pockets of GAI officers. Well, clearly, with competent signs, a marking and without ambushes in unexpected places. That for a manner me sense of the message. If in KoAPe it will be registered that for +20 - 2 weeks on foot - will be a question to KoAPu. Now it turned out that should select the rights to two weeks, and it shot.

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Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S> Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W>> I.e. if you break speed on 20km/ch, and of you deprive of the rights is it will be excellent? S> it meaningly intersected continuous, passing on . On a diagonal or it is perpendicular - yes . It was on adjoining road, it could not turn on the left, at it on a way was continuous. And then it  turned on the left, ignoring a sign and a marking. All. That any attempts "it not  are ignored, I  broke" is I consider as excellent news. S> " did not see a wheel"... Yes to it them to see absolutely optional. He noted the machine before a sign "only to the right" and continuous between bands. And then saw it which have turned on the left. All. At a crossroads (intersection of travelers of parts if to be exact, but here this one and too) there is no COUNTER. If the person goes on MTS band under a brick, of it to deprive of the rights or 1500?

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: Hello, Skorodum, you wrote: S>>-1 since punishment was incurred only by one of them. S>> If road accident lowering Vlad would get off with the warning since he did not create any dangerous situation was the traffic police purpose. "Aim traffic police" and "inspector Ignatov" is two absolutely different essences, what for punishment for the inspector want? It is necessary to punish traffic police, the inspector only writes a program strictly on  the customer fulfills the plan lowered by the heads. That fulfilled the duties, instead of the plan.

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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W> That fulfilled the duties, instead of the plan. Its duties also consist in plan performance.

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What there is a Rationalization? - Rationalization, - Vit'ka gloomy replied, is such nasty rubbish when not explained it is raised or reduced by authoritative blockheads to level . - However allow ... - confused Edik told. - And what there is a Recycling? - Questioned the Novel. - recycling, - I told Ediku, - there is a recognition or categorical non-recognition behind the rationalized phenomenon of the right to existence in our transitory real world.  again tried to tell something, but the Novel anticipated it: - whether Triple decisions be appealed against Can? - Yes, can, - I told. - but results not . - As a muzzle about desktop, - Korneyev explained.  kept silence. Expression of resoluteness and readiness for the noble protest slowly slipped from his face. - whether are authoritative for Triple, - tone of the provincial lawyer asked the Novel, - recommendations and wishes of interested persons? - Is not present, are not authoritative, - I told. - though are considered. On first come. - that is interested ... - began the Novel, but Edik interrupted him. - really the Press? - He asked with horror. - yes, - the Novel told. - alas. - Big? - Very big, - the Novel told. I think just your case

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W>> That fulfilled the duties, instead of the plan. Its duties also consist in plan performance. The inspector wants a bribe, for a bribe it is ready to be receded from plan performance. I here read . Foreheads went, got on a crossroads on which traffic lights did not work. Switched in a random way, not synchronously even (could burn red in both directions or green. In general the alert condition) is available. But drivers resolved. Passed, parted by turns. Foreheads passed this crossroads, and through pair kilometers saw  patrol. Told it - dudes, there at a crossroads here such , it is necessary to regulate driving. It was answered "with thanks, take measures". Went reversely - measures accepted. Traffic lights as do not work, but  cut those who left on the occupied crossroads who passed on red, and for other violations. Here in it also are engaged.

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VI>>> Vlad, and not seems to you, what finally  - you slightly broke all also the inspector slightly broke? VD>> it not seems. If similar to let, they can really start catch stupidly generally innocent people in streets and on bribes to bend.> What for it it, if circle of full real infringers? I here specially, after yours here stories, began to watch lately as the people turn at crossroads and turns in a court yard. Yes 90 % call in on half-meter-meter on the double continuous. Take any and necks business, what for innocent to touch?" 8.6 + deprivation "is applicable only if these of 90 % then get on  in a perpendicular direction. And so of 90 % do 1-2 persons of these. For that that they did not reach before rupture and were turned/were tore - the penalty 1500. Here than to catch 1-2 infringers, it is possible to snatch out half from these of 90 % and"to sew"business, yes. If then the inspector OBLIGED to give video-zapis on court if notified before review of this video about responsibility for a summer residence certainly false testimonies and then modelly-is indicative a couple planted (or though discharged for life of operation) for""business - they would reflect. And so on them any responsibility. 90 % go, 45 % stopped, 30 bribed, at 10 there were necessary communications, remaining on a template condemned. A profit.

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Hello, vladislav_somov, you wrote: _> Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S>> Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U>>> Vlad also does not deny (and in it there was its error on court) that it broke. And punishment for it 1500 roubles of the penalty. S>> nevertheless, it broke.  the Author: VladD2 Date: 17.04 13:19. _> I do not know, whether it is necessary to some people to try to explain, or not, but I will try nevertheless. _> here present a situation, you did not include the turn pointer at evolution is realized, and for it the court deprived of you the rights. _> I specially exaggerate, that at last it became clear that responsibility needs to be carried such which is provided by the law. _> and now before you a choice to appeal, or to leave the rights that did not include the turn pointer. _> and someone thus generally tells that for disconnect  it is necessary to shoot, with it too to agree. My grandfather in the beginning 80 stopped and delivered "hole" in the rights for that that it went with included  (I badly remember, small was, but like as 3 "holes" - deprivation). After that it  any loud enough "" instead of regular, which  at included . Regular it was not audible.

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: What for it it, if circle of full real infringers? Here and me it is interesting. Well, it can as with . Started to say lies so to say lies up to the end, without paying attention on what. As a result all passes in "official authority rescue". I here specially, after yours here stories, began to watch lately as the people turn at crossroads and turns in a court yard. Yes 90 % call in on half-meter-meter on the double continuous. Take any and necks business, what for innocent to touch? Exactly. Check to me, knowing it went expressly under 90 degrees. And I had the broadest crossroads on which for intersection not to quit in any way.

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Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S> Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W>> I.e. if you break speed on 20km/ch, and of you deprive of the rights is it will be excellent? S> it meaningly intersected continuous, passing on . On a diagonal or it is perpendicular - yes . It was on adjoining road, it could not turn on the left, at it on a way was continuous. And then it  turned on the left, ignoring a sign and a marking. All. That any attempts "it not  are ignored, I  broke" is I consider as excellent news. S> " did not see a wheel"... Yes to it them to see absolutely optional. He noted the machine before a sign "only to the right" and continuous between bands. And then saw it which have turned on the left. All. I broke not perpendicularly. I turned for ~1 meter before rupture. I turned on ONE-SIDED ROAD! On ONE-SIDED, CHARLES!!! There in any way it is impossible to attract 8.6"After turn on the left the HARDWARE it should not appear on an oncoming traffic band". After turn on the left my car appeared on a band of PASSING driving (others there are not present). In conditions when the passer was red. Without creating danger, without cutting anybody. To me showed to video where I turn FROM the LEFT ROW on ONE-SIDED ROAD. On video it is not visible a marking (from that point, whence it acted in film). Video DISAPPEARED on court. DELIBERATELY it removed from business and ignored my petition for its union to business. On group of analysis I saw the circuit where it has been drawn - I intersected 2 bands, left on , turned to the right, passed some meters, turned on the left. Judged me for the last. The inspector INVENTED the previous actions! Simply . As in the official report he invented road accident, and on court with aspiration told about road accident with LOBOV COLLISION which by miracle did not happen. I do not know under what substances it is necessary to be to make such manoeuvre. And even if this manoeuvre would take place to be is not 8.6!!!! After turn on the left my car could not appear on an oncoming traffic band. COULD not! This rubbish meaningly misled me at itself in the machine, incorrectly qualified violation under  article, and as consequence meaningly incorrectly made the protocol, meaningly distorted the circuit (both in geographical sense, and in respect of driving of my machine), invented road accident (about which in the machine to me did not tell words but which by miracle did not happen), on court added its particulars (... With a head-on collision). From all event in detail he remembered only one - "a marking it was visible" though it there is erased, as well as in all places where 90 % of machines do not reach to a crossroads and turn hardly earlier, and a day before it was snow and a marking it was not visible at all. And I, and the witness AFTER the WARNING of a false testimony summer residence told "a marking it was visible not". And he remembers a marking. As he remembers that there was a snow (was not!!!) that there was no nearly a road accident (with whom, what sort of road accident who where moved time there "front" - he remembers nothing since it too was not!). Here if it asked to draw the circuit, under the oath and after the warning of a summer residence CERTAINLY false testimonies, and then to look at video, and at once in a hall of court him to detain - it would not began so to do. Here it is direct at once - would make the protocol on 1500 and would wish not to break any more.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Than? People always on a hook so are loyal that who above sits on . Someone can always ask to make someone something and to shut eyes , well you understood. VD> for creation of protest electorate protection of the rights and other - angrily. Somehow so Russian people like to revolt! Kneel before a mansion and there are rascals! And after all know that revolt and all the same stand! To M.E.Saltykov-ShChedrin () for accuracy of the citation I do not warrant. VD> here to bring in essence I do not want. About the competent complaint in due time is an argument. Here I will agree. If I during time submitted petitions to traffic police now would have proofs of the words in the form of the video record. In Moscow with the right it is better, in my opinion, courts there  only if the totals of dispute from 10 $ most likely or dear person like Gundjaeva has legal proceedings. For affairs as at you here basically under the law all should become. VD> I agree that this  is calculated that before the judge a woodpecker not knowing laws and not able them to search and read. But it is not my case. To search and read is my trade. And laws where are easier, than a bang with software development.   on people which do not understand system realities. , you should be repelled from KoaPP and , instead of traffic regulations.

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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W> Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD>> And that here so impudently to say lies under the oath before it it is distinct hearing that at other side is that proof that it says lies is generally I even I can not understand. It either improbable nonsense or a faith in the impunity. W> is not present, there in bulk mongrels. The nastiest that is no real mechanism of their punishment. Here it is interesting to me. Their such there type, it is criterion of selection if you on character rubbish - that approach? Or they such become? The real mechanism of their punishment is But not lawful means, and through "familiar acquaintances". My friend too substituted - GAI officers removed at it number front (or someone at them made it, back was not) while it quitted the machine. And as soon as it returned and got under way from a place - accepted for driving without registration number. As waited. He called the friend (rather picturesque person). Further as they say from a song of words you will not throw out "Arrived with  on a post, my machine wanted to make out on the penalty-parking, on a post me handed over to any captain. We sit we wait, it makes out. I once again ring to Lyohe, to specify where I am.  sent there the assistant to the deputy, and that on this post tore out all GAI officers, took away my documents on the machine and threatened that if number do not deliver tomorrow to such address he addresses to there is nobody  and then them not so tear out, and from operation ". Number returned the same day. Simply it is an example of "good corruption" and when such friends play for you. But it is easily possible to get to a situation when you on 100 % will be right, and then there will be necessary friends at the second participant, and all turns over upside down.

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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W> At a crossroads (intersection of travelers of parts if to be exact, but here this one and too) there is no COUNTER. One subtlety: where you saw crossroads with solid lines? W> if the person goes on MTS band under a brick, of it to deprive of the rights or 1500? To deprive. Time it here spat, and in other places spits on rules.

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Hello, Unforgiver, you wrote: U> Hello, Sheridan, you wrote: S>> Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W>>> I.e. if you break speed on 20km/ch, and of you deprive of the rights is it will be excellent? S>> it meaningly intersected continuous, passing on . On a diagonal or it is perpendicular - yes . It was on adjoining road, it could not turn on the left, at it on a way was continuous. And then it  turned on the left, ignoring a sign and a marking. All. That any attempts "it not  are ignored, I  broke" is I consider as excellent news. S>> " did not see a wheel"... Yes to it them to see absolutely optional. He noted the machine before a sign "only to the right" and continuous between bands. And then saw it which have turned on the left. All. U> I broke not perpendicularly. U> I turned for ~1 meter before rupture. I turned on ONE-SIDED ROAD! On ONE-SIDED, CHARLES!!! There in any way it is impossible to attract 8.6"After turn on the left the HARDWARE it should not appear on an oncoming traffic band". After turn on the left my car appeared on a band of PASSING driving (others there are not present). U> In conditions when the passer was red. Without creating danger, without cutting anybody. U> to me showed to video where I turn FROM the LEFT ROW on ONE-SIDED ROAD. On video it is not visible a marking (from that point, whence it acted in film). U> Video DISAPPEARED on court. DELIBERATELY it removed from business and ignored my petition for its union to business. U> on group of analysis I saw the circuit where it has been drawn - I intersected 2 bands, left on , turned to the right, passed some meters, turned on the left. Judged me for the last. The inspector INVENTED the previous actions! Simply . As in the official report he invented road accident, and on court with aspiration told about road accident with LOBOV COLLISION which by miracle did not happen. U> I do not know under what substances it is necessary to be to make such manoeuvre. And even if this manoeuvre would take place to be is not 8.6!!!! After turn on the left my car could not appear on an oncoming traffic band. COULD not! It became interesting as you communicated with ...