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Topic: The second meeting of court on NPA

Back the Author: VladD2 Date: 11.05 16:39 Forward  the Author: VladD2 Date: 31.05 18:53 All greetings. As many sceptics predicted (here at a forum), the judge carried out the decision on which I should hand over the rights. As is not sad to recognize, but sceptics were right. Predictably record from a videocamera of the inspector has been safely erased in a month (and they held on almost about two months). Another a lesson. If get to a similar situation, do not wait for period assigned by the inspector and go to analysis group immediately. There give written petitions for request of video both from the camera of the inspector, and from the camera of external observation nearby. They will be obliged them to give. And here calculation of this inspector justified. It successfully buried proofs. I petitioned for an union to business of record of a transit of the inspector. In general I put it in day of the first meeting but then (hurriedly) I forgot a disk with a file. The judge looked at my explanation, saw in it the link to files and told that without them accepts an explanation cannot. Told, that I brought all next time and that it accustoms all. This time I put files. But the judge refused an union of video files (though my explanation on former refers to it). In my opinion this uniform violation. This time she at all did not read actually announcement on a diagonal. Last time it that looked through it on a diagonal. The decision while is not present. It should be on Friday. An audio file I will flood later when there will be an access to . Actually plans did not change. I will appeal and try to prove the case in the state court. As far as I understand, if I appeal in three-day period the rights, before removal of the decision by appeal instance, I am not obliged to hand over. Pleased that again no explanations existing. It is guilty, and all remaining is not essential. As that fact can be not essential that the inspector stupidly did not see roadbeds and half of my machine I and did not understand. How it saw there violation 8.6 and I anchored 12.15 items 4 too did not understand. I hope that at least in a motivation part it is an explanation appears. Though the hope dies away in the face of.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> How it saw there violation 8.6 and I anchored 12.15 items 4 too did not understand. Severe essence of laws. Laws are written (are formulated in words) by idiots, but treated not on written, and that meant. As for example talk on cellular if it is equipped  if law to read as is, with any smart phone it is possible  having control over (the smart phone is equipped by the technical device, allowing to carry on negotiations without usage of hands, about mandatory usage of this mode a line. I.e. using the smart phone as normal phone in any way under violation you do not get - but in realities naturally not so)... http://rsdn.org/forum/auto/7156660.1 the Author: _ilya_ Date: 29.05 10:16 On the other hand if nevertheless to try to understand sense even from article title follows that a law essence not about perpendicular or under another aspect the car intersected bands." Article 12.15. Violation of rules of layout of a vehicle on a carriageway, counter travel or overtaking. "It has been allocated incorrectly... It is impossible perpendicularly for bands to be allocated in places where so should not be. If turn on the left has been resolved, so it is possible to go perpendicularly, and if a sign turn only to the right, even perpendicular intersection of the second" passing "bands already wrong layout, well and intersection continuous and departure on  it generally the roughest violation." 4. Departure in violation of Traffic regulations on a band intended for oncoming traffic, or on tram ways of a counter direction, except for the cases provided by a part of 3 present articles "Observing rules could move only to the right with a flow, and naturally moving through continuous then explicitly is departure in an oncoming traffic band - not important under what corner... The intersection of a continuous separating bar is important simple. As a matter of fact punished correctly - so it is impossible to go in essence, in a place where it is forbidden - went perpendicularly all. That in laws it is registered word-for-word crookedly and it is impossible to treat as though the robot treated these sentences, it is the fact, but it is better to rely on common sense. P.S. I.e. your shown circuit of driving more likely also is the proof of your fault. The GAI officer drawing""simply dissolved you on conclusive certificates against itself.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> As far as I understand if I appeal in three-day period, the rights, before removal of the decision by appeal instance, I am not obliged to hand over. Unless not 30 days? It is right it is possible not to hand over at all but then period of exception of the rights never begins.

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Hello, labradorgibraltar, you wrote: L> Unless not 30 days? It is right it is possible not to hand over at all but then period of exception of the rights never begins. No. In flow of 3 days from coming into force. And coming into force in flow of 10 days if not to appeal against. There is one problem. I plan in the middle of June in holiday to set. Round is already paid. As though meeting did not assign on this period. I will try about it in the appeal to write. By the way, here such here such announcement goes?

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Hello, _ilya _, you wrote: __> "Article 12.15. Violation of rules of layout of a vehicle on a carriageway, counter travel or overtaking." __> it has been allocated incorrectly... Item 2 Article 12.16 is an exception of 12.15 items 4 and explicitly describes turn manoeuvre. Turn on the left or a turn in violation of the requirements ordered by traffic signs or a marking of a carriageway, - attracts superimposing of the administrative penalty at the rate from one thousand to one thousand five hundred roubles. To me item 8.6 violation is made. In it it is accurately told: Turn should be carried out so that at departure from intersection of travelers of parts the vehicle did not appear on the oncoming traffic side. And I do not understand, how this point can be applied to me. What is "on the oncoming traffic side" abundantly clear. It is a part  parts on which go to the side opposite to you. Time at us right-hand driving it is left from you the road side.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> To me item 8.6 violation is made. In it it is accurately told: VD> Turn should be carried out so that at departure from intersection of travelers of parts the vehicle did not appear on the oncoming traffic side. VD> and I do not understand, how this point can be applied to me. It was expected that in execution of a sign and a marking you should turn to the right, and moved a cloud of bands and intersected continuous, it appeared on "".  the wheel not in that side turned fulfilling manoeuvre turn.

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Hello, _ilya _, you wrote: __> It was expected that in execution of a sign and a marking you should turn to the right, and moved a cloud of bands and intersected continuous, it appeared on "".  the wheel not in that side turned fulfilling manoeuvre turn. Whom and that it is expected? There is KoAP in which punishment articles are registered. There is special article 12.16 of item 2 in  and violation of this sign and a marking is described. What else waitings can be here? To all this irresponsible idle talk to listen is not present  desire. On figs of that I there moved. It also is:... In violation of the requirements ordered by traffic signs or a marking... On the Internet 100500  traffic police about it.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Whom and that it is expected? There is KoAP in which punishment articles are registered. There is special article 12.16 of item 2 in  and violation of this sign and a marking is described. What else waitings can be here? Violation of one instruction of a sign does not release from the further responsibility. Draw the circuit and sign at all (directly all - them 8 ) bands - what they? Passing or counter. At a sign turn to the right, at you only one - the extreme right band will be passing, all remaining manoeuvres are forbidden - there "". Cars go in passing only if one after another in a band. All that under any other corner it  - is possible though under 45 degrees towards to go, though under 120 degrees...

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> As predicted many sceptics (here at a forum), the judge carried out the decision on which I should hand over the rights. As is not sad to recognize, but sceptics were right. At us in the country questions similar dare not so. And you perfectly know it, like here grew. Went on a principle - received that that received. Can in following instances at you  and quits, but if the victory and is at you - that exceptional by a disproportionate bang.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> As predicted many sceptics (here at a forum), the judge carried out the decision on which I should hand over the rights. As is not sad to recognize, but sceptics were right. It, of course, . Without sarcasm. Now you understand why we with an alpha do not love a current mode? VD> predictably record from a videocamera of the inspector has been safely erased in a month (and they held on almost about two months). Another a lesson. If get to a similar situation, do not wait for period assigned by the inspector and go to analysis group immediately. Analysis groups are not necessary. From the moment of obtaining of copy  it is necessary to stamp at once in court and through it to receive video, but here there is jamb , the court is not obliged and will not demand documents and other proofs from the responder, the claimant or the third parties, i.e. it is your duty to get proofs, . In the normal countries if you know that the proof is in such sources at such dudes the court obliges these sources them to give. VD> in my opinion this uniform violation. Make the complaint to the judge if so you consider. VD> actually plans did not change. I will appeal and try to prove the case in the state court. Not state, but city. You will not achieve anything, to you throw the formal reply and everything, not you transit the first on this way. If you want to go up to the end and it is assured of correctness prepare EUR for submission in  since in your case, probably, the right to valid court has been broken. 10.000 euros for a damage and payment of the duty with lawyers demand. VD> as far as I understand if I appeal in three-day period, the rights, before removal of the decision by appeal instance, I am not obliged to hand over. Yes, but as soon as the appeal decision come into force - you hand over. VD> pleased that again no explanations existing. It is guilty, and all remaining is not essential. And that. Enjoy your PRAVOSUDIE. VD> Though the hope dies away in the face of. It is written by the assistant . Generally, you should search for lawyers normal and with them all to do, and time to you a distance that you with the public prosecutor agreed about a training for a new profession of article of KoAPP, well you understood.

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Hello, Grizzli, you wrote: G> At us in the country questions similar dare not so. And you perfectly know it, like here grew. Went on a principle - received that that received. Here it as? If I am real on  went, questions would not be. But same a lawlessness! And here I will better go on a principle. G> can in following instances at you  and quits, but if the victory and is at you - that exceptional by a disproportionate bang. It, yes. And on a horse-radish I decided to "spare"?

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> There is one problem. I plan in the middle of June in holiday to set. Round is already paid. As though meeting did not assign on this period. I will try about it in the appeal to write. Well it is explicit not argument for court. It was necessary to the lawyer to pay, that it delayed first court, it at them simply becomes. With the appeal in a pocket it is possible to go too though 3 years if to go to the Supreme court.

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Hello, Kernan, you wrote: K> It, of course, . Without sarcasm. Now you understand why we with an alpha do not love a current mode? Corruption is everywhere and always. And freaks are everywhere and always. At the USSR of a brothel sufficed. And cops were far not angels. This system grew from that. Also you know, if this corruption extorted the big money from those who really on  overtakes, I not simply would close on it eyes, but also would tell that it even is good, as  are interested in result. But here violation is already simply invented counting on: At us in the country questions similar dare not so. And you perfectly know it, like here grew. Went on a principle - received that that received. Can in following instances at you  and quits, but if the victory and is at you - that exceptional by a disproportionate bang. (Grizzli the Author: Grizzli Date: 30.05 23:56 And here already it would not be desirable to suffer it. And you think to the top management here it favourably? Same also creates that protest electorate. K> analysis groups are not necessary. From the moment of obtaining of copy  it is necessary to stamp at once in court and through it to receive video, but here there is jamb , the court is not obliged and will not demand documents and other proofs from the responder, the claimant or the third parties, i.e. it is your duty to get proofs, . In the normal countries if you know that the proof is in such sources at such dudes the court obliges these sources them to give. You are not right. The analysis group is in the same way obliged to answer the petition and to give demanded things. And they at all did not resist to their request. Simply records from exterior cameras are stored 5 days, and from their loggers - month. And all has been picked up so that when I will understand it, period already would transit. And to them it at all you will not show. Well, coincidence of circumstances. If the nobility about all about it it is possible to operate on an advancing. To submit the petition in analysis group. To you all the same to it to come, as the summons give only there. Well, and in court it is possible to ask the camp-up faster in the same place. The court after all too formally did not refuse request of video. Here only the judge already knew that month transited. She with such genuine interest asked it about that how many video as though this question has not been set in 100500th time is stored. K> make the complaint to the judge if so you consider. I will mandatory submit. The appeal is as a matter of fact and there is a complaint. K> not state, but city. And what, city not the state? K> you will not achieve anything, to you throw the formal reply and everything, not you transit the first on this way. If you want to go up to the end and it is assured of correctness prepare EUR for submission in  since in your case, probably, the right to valid court has been broken. 10.000 euros for a damage and payment of the duty with lawyers demand.  on  hardly accepts. And it is very far. I think from NPA and in the Supreme court do not start up. Though it would be interesting for clarifying. Well, and I nevertheless while will remain the optimist. K> yes but as soon as the appeal decision come into force - you hand over. Well, so this by itself. It is clear. If the appeal does not support me, certainly. K> It is written by the assistant . K> Generally, you should search for lawyers normal and with them all to do, and time to you a distance that you with the public prosecutor agreed about a training for a new profession of article of KoAPP, well you understood. And what the lawyer against such lawlessness makes something? Or the judge is simply frightened of it?

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VD> Here it as? If I am real on  went, questions would not be. But same a lawlessness! And here I will better go on a principle. As to you here many times spoke there is no positive corruption, it or is or not if they extort money from whom that for  that will extort and not for  both liberals and liberal newspapers, to which you , here not and. Extort from one will extort and from another.

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VD> As predicted many sceptics (here at a forum), the judge carried out the decision on which I should hand over the rights. As is not sad to recognize, but sceptics were right. Because it was necessary to attract the lawyer at once. It is necessary to understand that it is a separate trade which demands the knowledge and experience which at you are not present.

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Hello, _AND, you wrote: _AN> Because it was necessary to attract the lawyer at once. It is necessary to understand that it is a separate trade which demands the knowledge and experience which at you are not present. Not the fact. My parents   on business for which lawyers or did not undertake or asked simply money without a result warranty. It is necessary to understand that lawyers it is humanists who learned there can be main cases, but a step to the left/step to the right and all a stupor. .. As I understand to find the correct lawyer a quest at all less, than most to master this business.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Also you know, if this corruption extorted the big money from those who really on  overtakes, I not simply would close on it eyes, but also would tell that it even is good, as  are interested in result. Necessary to us  is less than dangerous overtakings, but  not in it are interested, they cannot stop too often, and that cease to overtake generally, and the monetary flow gives.  grandmas, instead of that that still are necessary. Just such corruption guarantees as will overtake further on  unless those to whom will overtake more often a cash pockets . VD> And you think to the top management here it favourably? Same also creates that protest electorate. Does not create. You broke and admitted - protest electorate any more very much sympathize with infringers. Further, you punished, how it seems to you, disproportionately, but to walk on foot 3 months (or 6? Not important) is not to sit the prison 3 months, i.e. In general that the hogwash, a taxi and  is, the wife with the rights - will worry. Thus the offense is punished, the lesson is presented, anybody did not give bribes to anybody - against what masses, was specific should protest?

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> There is one problem. I plan in the middle of June in holiday to set. Round is already paid. As though meeting did not assign on this period. I will try about it in the appeal to write. In quality  - if holiday in abroad I quickly got in due time the new driver's license on  (and them was going to hand over in GAI if all the same would deprive) and went "there" on the old.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> Hello, Kernan, you wrote: K>> It, of course, . Without sarcasm. Now you understand why we with an alpha do not love a current mode? VD> corruption is everywhere and always. And freaks are everywhere and always. At the USSR of a brothel sufficed. And cops were far not angels. It is possible more in detail? Like both all gave apartments also meal was qualitative and the criminality was not

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: Court it not that place where it is necessary to search for justice. So I was spoken by all lawyers to whom I came.

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Hello, snautSH, you wrote: VD>> Here it as? If I am real on  went, questions would not be. But same a lawlessness! And here I will better go on a principle. SH> as to you here many times spoke there is no positive corruption, it or is or not if they extort money from whom that for  that will extort and not for  both liberals and liberal newspapers, to which you , here not and. Extort from one will extort and from another. And here extort? Anybody from it extorted nothing. The cop under penalties for  fulfilled simply quarter plan, drawing lime protocols.

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: And here extort? Anybody from it extorted nothing. The cop under penalties for  fulfilled simply quarter plan, drawing lime protocols. At 08:49 VladD2 the Author was bored for a while: VladD2 Date: 31.05 01:49 good corruption, and at 12:20 snautSH the Author imported clarification: snautSH Date: 31.05 05:20 which you make comments.

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Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD> All greetings. VD> the previous content of an epopee here the Author: VladD2 Date: 11.05 16:39. VD> As predicted many sceptics (here at a forum), the judge carried out the decision on which I should hand over the rights. As is not sad to recognize, but sceptics were right. Not sceptics, and realists. I still besides communicated to same "friends" not so long ago. At once I will tell - I made one explanatory for analysis group, was not prepared at all for court, did not know what there to do. You were ready on some orders better. Collected a photo, video, long butted, even here meeting transferred (and you benefited still couple of weeks). But result one. It is a pity. And all because should be "guilty itself I DO NOT RECOGNIZE", instead of "Broke not  and YYY". I on the former suspect plus that if there was a lawyer, to it would be paid thousand 25-30, from which thousand 10 would remove to a pocket of the judge, and all explanations and proofs would be essential. But it so, my suspicions based on those that when I addressed in lawyer office for consultation, the lawyer rang to the familiar judge and it is lovely with it chatted into the account put about deprivation of the rights. VD> the decision while is not present. It should be on Friday. You want I will send the appeal complaint made by the professional lawyer? But it on revising/cancellation of the decision of world court, instead of on revising of your violation. The lawyer did not recommend violation revising. Told that can and to seal 6 months since there can be new particulars. Consult, in what type to make the appeal. VD> actually plans did not change. I will appeal and try to prove the case in the state court. Still ~ you will be taken for a ride in a car. The appeal as is useless. There the judge fluently on a diagonal reads the decision and the appeal and tells "I do not see the reasons to cancel the decision". You think as  appeal meeting is better (for example to be ill, leave etc. Is it is necessary to consult on lawyers besides), it transfer and still ~. Thus almost all the summer long you will go by the machine. Well or itself look - when to you more necessary the machine. Me here incorrectly notified on meeting, and I it is possible to tell lost month in vain. Would deprive in February - in the end of June already would go for a drive. Now till the end of July. By the way still a trick - deprive for 4 calendar months. Accordingly in February I would spare 3 days But it so, trifles. VD> as far as I understand if I appeal in three-day period, the rights, before removal of the decision by appeal instance, I am not obliged to hand over. An entrance of the decision to force in 10 days. During this time you should appeal. To appeal court you should not to hand over anything. If you will not appeal within 10 days during 3 days after that should hand over the rights. The appeal in 3 copies you do (court, in GAI), do not forget to undersign on everyone. You hand over in world court in same, on your copy put a stamp about reception. VD> pleased that again no explanations existing. It is guilty, and all remaining is not essential. As that fact can be not essential that the inspector stupidly did not see roadbeds and half of my machine I and did not understand. VD> how it saw there violation 8.6 and I anchored 12.15 items 4 too did not understand. I hope that at least in a motivation part it is an explanation appears. Though the hope dies away in the face of. Vlad, anything there does not appear. I sent the decision to you - well will look at the. Will be word for word, only  change. And about public danger and a head-on collision write. You can start to learn traffic regulations. There so much any hogwash... By the way, when the appeal court confirms the decision - I did not understand the judge, she told that it is necessary to set the seal about an entrance of the decision to force. It becomes in world court, or at them there and then (here just I did not understand where exactly - at the secretary or in archive). I thought that else I will go, to the following appeal. But figs. The district court states the decision and here already during 3 days you should hand over the rights. If you do not set the seal there and then then you will fuck. Without the press in GAI do not accept the right. But go you you can not. And since the right did not hand over - deprivation period does not go. The press in world court deliver only when to them the decision region comes, and these are 2-3 weeks. I.e. you couple of weeks cannot hand over the right on which you cannot go.  (if at once did not set the seal) - to go to district court to the secretary. If you in an office 401 send, there the girl-secretary made and adequate.

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Hello, labradorgibraltar, you wrote: L> Hello, VladD2, you wrote: VD>> As far as I understand if I appeal in three-day period, the rights, before removal of the decision by appeal instance, I am not obliged to hand over. L> unless not 30 days? It is right it is possible not to hand over at all but then period of exception of the rights never begins. Only it is impossible to go. If you will go and stop - consider that to you carried, if check simply up eyes. If (any) or road accidents - punch violation on basis. In basis it will be written that "period of validity is paused". Then can accept for 15 days. Or to prolong deprivation period. It is possible to get a false idea certainly itself Maroj Bagdasarjan and to lose the rights to 250 years, periodically working as the yard keeper, but it seems to me that so-so a variant

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> it is possible more in detail? > like both apartments all gave also meal was qualitative and the criminality was not At mum with the father receive clarification.