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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: W> By phone it did not specify? I asked - all fairly answered, but heard happens on a miscellaneous. On everyone happened. Someone by phone told at once "machines is not present, simply had not time to update basis", and someone spoke - yes, is. Last was a little - i.e. you or at once you learn that  from an Internet does not correspond to a reality, or later - but as a matter of fact the situation with basis presence is that, what.

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Hello, the Laid-back person, you wrote: I heard that differently happens to any left hach-salons, but there, obviously, and it is not necessary to be put. Yes  salons are swept aside easily - at them or the price sharply more low, than is declared by the vendor (it is swept aside at once) or miss in the list of official dealers (it hardly longer). With official dealers all is more or less normal. Nevertheless at that time (and it was about 5 years ago) was found out that in Moscow there was no budgetary crossover in basis on the automatic machine available (with  from salons yes, were). Total - were defined with model, imported advance payment and 4 months waited. I do not know, how a situation now - but  that not strongly all changed.

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Hello, Basil2, you wrote: B> 1. Since first minute me tried to bend on budget magnification. I requested "rio-3 on the automatic machine, to 450". To me answered "it poorly, it would be necessary to lift to 500, and it is better to 550". I told "you ?! It new costs 670". Here the manager retired to the background and answered "well if year is higher that can be...". Suppose 450 , and remaining take on credit and buy the new car. The overpayment will be cheap if you will quickly pay, but will receive the machine with a warranty from the vendor, and will avoid all it  with selection.

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Hello, viellsky, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> On mine  a new mirror 5000, second-hand in perfect tune 2500. V> Ugu, add here time for selection second-hand About what you? V> (from the first successful will be, yes?) )), Yes. V> a trip to service and money for changeover. 500. Thus that at me not the most successful variant, it is necessary to assort a door. V>>> - glasses creak at rise/lowering, on glasses plural vertical bands. NANOSECOND>> VAZ? V> repeatedly met by different machines. And I here on one decent did not meet. Or 20 + stuff, or domestic car industry. V> that - foreign cars are protected from dust/sand hit on outer side of side windows? At them it is simple seals normal. V>>> - a crack or  on front NANOSECOND>> It too is unremovable? V> the argument is not clear - read on one post above. It is possible to eliminate all. A question in eliminating union for comprehensible time and money. Changeover flew down this quite comprehensible time and money. V> consider, what some sores are treated not from the first and not from the second time It as? It is necessary to replace glass a minimum three times before cracks leave? V>>> - the stayed pillows of a driver's seat of NANOSECOND>> VAZ or 30 years to the machine? V> is not present - budgetary mass a car. VAZ too in this category, as well as   for example. Anyway killed  it is visible at once at purchase. V>>> - the scratch of a suspension bracket caused by its deterioration under changeover of NANOSECOND>> Is direct here so all? The suspension bracket, by the way, normally does not creak, and knocks. And changeover  in a suspension bracket not such and expensive action. Some everyone THAT generally  I change. V> knocks, when there all completely became loose. Why all? To enough one junction . An ordinary situation even on rather fresh cars. V> creaks too most advantageously - at the initial stage (in  the hinge gets any dust/sand, lubrication is washed is already consider death of the hinge). What hinge? The SHRUS it not a suspension bracket, about it talk separate. And that the emphasis  communicated prematurely and creaked - about such I did not hear even. The NANOSECOND>> Peep of brakes is caused by the sand hammered into receptacles. V> there is no such reason is a myth. It is practice.  for the speed on a dirty pool, and then , . Then you can enjoy a myth on the full. NANOSECOND>> it is possible to "Get" in the core with , , the motor or with strongly beaten digested body. V> single hit just nonsense. Enumerated - just not the nonsense, and a fix can manage in the total more expensively machine purchase. And with  so generally can be so that generally  does not help. And here that you enumerated that - the full hogwash. V> once cured also all. And the dial-up of jambs is a heap of time and a haemoplenty on their elimination. All is in the same way treated if not to be engaged stupid .

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Hello, koandrew, you wrote: K> Suppose 450 , and remaining take on credit and buy the new car. The overpayment will be cheap if you will quickly pay, but will receive the machine with a warranty from the vendor, and will avoid all it  with selection. If it was the variant, I certainly would use it. Even without the credit.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> About what you? About selection second-hand mirrors. V>> (from the first successful will be, yes?) )), NANOSECOND> Yes. Well well. You already have second-hand a mirror, from the first - but why that with it there were problems. V>> a trip to service and money for changeover. NANOSECOND> 500. Thus that at me not the most successful variant, it is necessary to assort a door. What 500 rivers?  it is not a pity? Or probabilities of that the master  for 500., collecting reversely a covering a screw  a wire going to a column of a door (or to  the lock) also drives inadvertently something? Frivolous reasonings from a series "the purchase new   3  with  for 670".> And I here on one decent did not meet NANOSECOND. Or 20 + stuff, or domestic car industry. Happens. Speech after all not that this problem always is available. NANOSECOND> At them it is simple seals normal. The bosh - a dirt is hammered into any seals. The NANOSECOND> Changeover flew down this quite comprehensible time and money. Glass is not union, only its small part. NANOSECOND> It as? It is necessary to replace glass a minimum three times before cracks leave? The proof through one example? It is not ready to compete in demagogy. The NANOSECOND> Anyway killed  is visible at once at purchase. Much that is visible at once at purchase. For this reason I wrote about 90 %. 9 More % of "semifire wood" (it is possible where to eliminate for  expenses) NANOSECOND> Why all? To enough one junction . An ordinary situation even on rather fresh cars. All it is is specific in this junction . NANOSECOND> What hinge? The SHRUS it not a suspension bracket, about it talk separate. And that the emphasis  communicated prematurely and creaked - about such I did not hear even. At what here a shrus? A full-sphere in a jacket - the hinge - a basis of levers of a suspension bracket. Is still  - by the way, yes forgot - on  after all they as a rule instead of spherical hinges. Also change on  wheelbarrows in collection with the lever too. The NANOSECOND> Is practice.  for the speed on a dirty pool, and then , . Then you can enjoy a myth on the full. Never such saw. You probably confuse peep (it ) to other displays. There is still a sch-peep is already a feature - a signal to change of receptacles on  wheelbarrows where there are no deterioration indicators. The NANOSECOND> Enumerated - just not nonsense, and a fix can manage in the total more expensively machine purchase. And with  so generally can be so that generally  does not help. And here that you enumerated that - the full hogwash. Yes forward - unhealthy optimism - the engine of sales of fire wood - the answer to a question "who these people that fire wood for 60 %" V>> Once buys cured also all. And the dial-up of jambs is a heap of time and a haemoplenty on their elimination. The NANOSECOND> All is in the same way treated if not to be engaged stupid . It "if" is not possible for buyers  for 60 %. You right at the beginning suggest to buy  a mirror instead of  mirrors.

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Hello, viellsky, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> About what you? V> about selection second-hand mirrors. What for it to select? Simply you order also to you bring. V>>> a trip to service and money for changeover. NANOSECOND>> 500. Thus that at me not the most successful variant, it is necessary to assort a door. V> that 500 rivers? Mirror changeover. V> Vremjaeni is not a pity? What time. V> or probabilities of that the master  for 500. 500 it is the good master. The NANOSECOND>> Changeover flew down this quite comprehensible time and money. V> glass is not union, only its small part. Nevertheless almost everything that you enumerated from this discharge. And here you are real problem points almost did not enumerate. Of what I do an output that you the theorist. The NANOSECOND>> Anyway killed  is visible at once at purchase. V> much that is visible at once at purchase. Well so here risk any, you see at once that buy. And or you go on killed , or you put the new. NANOSECOND>> Why all? To enough one junction . Ordinary situation even on rather fresh cars. V> All it is is specific in this junction . So you and on new from the such are not insured. A suspension bracket it in the core . V> the Full-sphere in a jacket - the hinge - a basis of levers of a suspension bracket. Here they that just also knock. V> is still  - by the way It too . V>, yes forgot - on  after all they as a rule instead of spherical hinges. Also change on  wheelbarrows in collection with the lever too. And die it can even on the new. V> never such saw. . The NANOSECOND>> All is in the same way treated if not to be engaged stupid . V> It "if" is not possible for buyers  for 60 %. If to cut - and from a new problem will be. V> you right at the beginning suggest to buy  a mirror instead of  mirrors. I suggest to buy a working mirror. Machines in  the heap, mirrors thus often whole fights.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> Hello, viellsky, you wrote: NANOSECOND>>> About what you? V>> about selection second-hand mirrors. NANOSECOND> What for it to select? Simply you order also to you bring. Give without fairy tales. Here I now will buy  , at me the mirror departs. What I should make? In you to order? Obviously, no. It is necessary to study, where and at whom to buy. Also that brought. Also that not a garbage brought. The most important thing - is not present any warranties that this mirror will be not not comprehended by the same fate. The reasons of breakages as a rule , are caused  and maintenance period. You bought this mirror, a month later the same breakage. And it only a mirror. Still will be about pair small or average tens the sores spread on your life within year-two. To whom that is pleasant to these to be engaged - but to the majority not so. V>> that 500 rivers? NANOSECOND> mirror Changeover. Not mirror changeover, and operation of the master. V>> Vremjaeni is not a pity? NANOSECOND> What time. Normal which you spend for mirror changeover. The operating time of the master thus will be probably even less, than your totally spent for problem elimination. The NANOSECOND> 500 is the good master. And 60 % from cost new too the good machine - but only in pity percent of cases. On the average it will be . NANOSECOND> Nevertheless almost everything that you enumerated from this discharge. No, not from this. The theorist here the one who does not know neither about a scratch of spherical hinges nor about the reasons of peep of receptacles. NANOSECOND> And here you are real problem points almost did not enumerate. Of what I do an output that you the theorist. Really problem points see and are afraid all. I enumerated that is unobvious to adherents of purchase of fire wood. Your life turns to constant elimination of lacks since besides those that you bought, will appear new and introduced . The alternative - to be reconciled and go by fire wood, it is selected by 99 % bought budgetary fire wood for 60 %. NANOSECOND> Well so here risk any, you see at once that buy. And or you go on killed , or you put the new. About it and speech - or you are reconciled with driving on fire wood or long and tiresomely you eliminate lacks. NANOSECOND> So you and on new from the such are not insured. A suspension bracket it in the core ." You are not insured "generally from what, even from invasion of aliens. It not a binary thing, I hope it is not necessary to explain a difference between probability of failure  the lever (on  for 60 % it besides already cheap Chinese analog, instead of delivered on factory) and the new original. V>> a full-sphere in a jacket - the hinge - a basis of levers of a suspension bracket. NANOSECONDS> Here they that just also knock. We are returned back. Knocks - when already on stuff. In the beginning often creaks - simply very few people understands that it for a scratch and very few people pays to it attention. V>> is still  - by the way NANOSECOND> It too . Which to the owner of fire wood should be changed with  probability, than to the owner fresh  machines. V>>, yes forgot - on  after all they as a rule instead of spherical hinges. Also change on  wheelbarrows in collection with the lever too. NANOSECOND>. And die it can even on the new. Whether you see - the owner new leads much less time in services. Though and theoretically depart at it all can the same that departed and departs on fire wood. Breakages is not the binary factor is/is not present. Breakages influence immediately your life, on probability of change of plans etc. NANOSECOND> I suggest to buy a working mirror. Machines in  the heap, mirrors thus often whole fights. You confuse breakages because of external actions and the breakages caused + of maintenance. All machines have a dial-up from several tens "sores". A noticeable part of jambs on fire wood are the got out sores, instead of that someone from a foot on a mirror cut.

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Hello, koandrew, you wrote: K> Suppose 450 , and remaining take on credit and buy the new car. The overpayment will be cheap if you will quickly pay, but will receive the machine with a warranty from the vendor, and will avoid all it  with selection. Thus it loses third of cost for the first 5 years.

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Hello, viellsky, you wrote: V> Give without fairy tales. Here I now will buy  , at me the mirror departs. It already the Mirror fairy tale spontaneously "do not fly". Changes eventually independently in a court yard by means of a screw-driver and a key on 10. V> Which to the owner of fire wood should be changed with  probability, than to the owner fresh  It you  frighten machines? Elementarily change on the next service of the machine.

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Hello, hardcase, you wrote: H> Hello, viellsky, you wrote: V>> Give without fairy tales. Here I now will buy  , at me the mirror departs. H> it already fairy tale H> Mirrors spontaneously "do not fly". Spontaneously - is not present. Because of spoilage or deterioration - fly. However, the buyer of fire wood has enough machine with an already badly functioning mirror - after all "yes same nonsense, not the engine departed - I will solve elementarily". V>> Which to the owner of fire wood should be changed with  probability, than to the owner fresh > It you  frighten machines H? Elementarily change on the next service of the machine. It also is a basis of optimism of the buyer of fire wood - "It elementarily dares" (and so 20 times for a year).

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Hello, alzt, you wrote: K>> Suppose 450 , and remaining take on credit and buy the new car. The overpayment will be cheap if you will quickly pay, but will receive the machine with a warranty from the vendor, and will avoid all it  with selection. A> thus it loses third of cost for the first 5 years. So same abruptly, if so. In total third for five years. Really very expensive second-hand cars for some reason.

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Hello, alzt, you wrote: A> Thus it loses third of cost for the first 5 years. I think that it as much spends for beer in this time

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Hello, viellsky, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> What for it to select? Simply you order also to you bring. V> give without fairy tales. Personal experience. V> here I now will buy  , at me the mirror departs. What I should make? In you to order? Why at me? There are special people who are engaged in it. V>>> that 500 rivers? NANOSECOND>> mirror Changeover. V> not mirror changeover, and operation of the master. Understood nothing. V>>> Vremjaeni is not a pity? NANOSECOND>> What time. V> normal which you spend for mirror changeover. I do not spend. I gave the machine, an hour later took away. V> the operating time of the master thus will be probably even less, than your totally spent for problem elimination. And, again you theorize. The NANOSECOND>> 500 is the good master. V> and 60 % from cost new too the good machine - but only in pity percent of cases. On the average it will be . There is no average. Anybody you to  does not force to go. And if to them to go, and from a new problem will be. Worse that, with new at you the choice of masters categorically is less. NANOSECOND>> Well so here risk any, you see at once that buy. And or you go on killed , or you put the new. V> about it and speech - or you are reconciled with driving on fire wood or long and tiresomely you eliminate lacks. At what here fire wood? You or buy a car with killed  and are spent for changeover, or take with normal. Anything long and tiresome here is not present. Or , as well as glass, too it is necessary to replace three times that  left? NANOSECOND>> So you and on new from the such are not insured. A suspension bracket it in the core . V> you "are not insured" generally from what, even from invasion of aliens. It not a binary thing, I hope it is not necessary to explain a difference between probability of failure  the lever (on  for 60 % it besides already cheap Chinese analog, instead of delivered on factory) and the new original. Whence second-hand the lever suddenly undertook? I for the present did not meet the invalids buying second-hand  on the machine. V>>> a full-sphere in a jacket - the hinge - a basis of levers of a suspension bracket. NANOSECONDS>> Here they that just also knock. V> We are returned back. Knocks - when already on stuff. Knocks at once as there is a gap. V>>> is still  - by the way NANOSECOND>> It too . V> Which to the owner of fire wood should be changed with  probability, than to the owner fresh  machines. And anybody also did not say that differences are not present. Only again here there is nothing long and tiresome. Simply you replace on new and all. Whether V> you see - the owner new leads much less time in services. It is less, but it is not ready. NANOSECOND>> I suggest to buy a working mirror. Machines in  the heap, mirrors thus often whole fights. V> you confuse breakages because of external actions and the breakages caused + of maintenance. On disassemblings in the core the first sell.

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Hello, hardcase, you wrote: H> Changes eventually independently in a court yard by means of a screw-driver and a key on 10. Depends on the specific machine. On some, half-machines should be disassembled that a lamp in a headlight to replace. V>> which to the owner of fire wood should be changed with  probability, than to the owner fresh > It you  frighten machines H? Elementarily change on the next service of the machine. I speak, the theorist.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: NANOSECOND> Personal experience. At you at a birth was  with number of the person which to you sells 100 % a serviceable mirror in an excellent state?) ) Well or otherwise. 100 % of on sale mirrors at 100 % of sellers second-hand are serviceable and will not be screwed within at least year? NANOSECOND> Why at me? There are special people who are engaged in it. Truth? And how many it is necessary to me of time and efforts that them to find? NANOSECOND> understood Nothing. 500 rivers are not mirror changeover, it only operation of the master. I do not understand, how it is possible not to understand difference between these events.> I do not spend NANOSECOND. I gave the machine, an hour later took away. You waste time on mirror search, on its purchase (you should join that who brings or most to go to take away), on that to agree with , to bring, take away. And all it instead of generally about it not to think and not to spend for it time. V>> the operating time of the master thus will be probably even less, than your totally spent for problem elimination. NANOSECOND> And, again you theorize. I  about "am enough to lay out your theories 2500+500 - also these are 100 % result without . personal time and personal efforts". The NANOSECOND> Is not present any average. Anybody you to  does not force to go. And anybody does not force to buy fire wood. NANOSECOND> And if to them to go and from a new problem will be. Worse that, with new at you the choice of masters categorically is less. From the new do not go so often, as with fire wood. A choice of masters - exactly such. NANOSECOND> At what here fire wood? You or buy a car with killed  and are spent for changeover, or take with normal. Anything long and tiresome here is not present. Or , as well as glass, too it is necessary to replace three times that  left? Thus that we consider fire wood. At what here wheelbarrows at which of lacks ONLY  or ONLY glass - is not clear. NANOSECOND> Whence second-hand the lever suddenly undertook? I for the present did not meet the invalids buying second-hand  on the machine. The charming question - whence in  to a wheelbarrow undertook  the lever)) and what in  to a wheelbarrow NOT  except gasoline? The NANOSECOND> Knocks at once as there is a gap. Thanks, TO. Creaks at once as soon as creaks. NANOSECOND> And anybody also did not say that differences are not present. Only again here there is nothing long and tiresome. Simply you replace on new and all.  - it is reformulated - simply long and tiresomely you eliminate all , each of which separately "simply you replace on new and all". You similar replaced only in a simulator - only there it simply replace also all (cliques with a mouse). In life even a petrol tank with gasoline to fill - tiresome occupation which would be desirable to avoid. NANOSECONDS> On disassemblings in the core sell the first. What does the first mean? Here there is  a machine - at you and at that guy. A state of mirrors - about identical - all from factory, did not change. Now  one machine. Something exchanged in a state of mirrors? Anything. Simply by the second machine continue to go and a month later the mirror from an old age broke.

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Hello, hardcase, you wrote: H> Mirrors spontaneously "do not fly". Changes eventually independently in a court yard by means of a screw-driver and a key on 10. On a Zhiguli? Only the key what for, normal  is direct in a body of norms

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Hello, koandrew, you wrote: K> I think that it as much spends for beer in this time the Joke was recalled: the Woman: - you drink beer? The man: - Yes, certainly. - And it is a lot of? - On the average mugs three in day. - and for a long time? - Yes years twenty already. - And in you beer how many manages? - Approximately 5 dollars for a mug. - It turns out... That in a month you spend for beer of 450 dollars. And in a year - 5400. Truly? - It turns out that so. - That is, for twenty years you spent for beer of 108 thousand dollars! But you understand, what if at least simply to postpone this money, you already would buy Ferrari? - Hm... Tell, and you drink beer? - Is not present... And what? - And where yours Ferrari?

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Hello, koandrew, you wrote: K> Suppose 450 , and remaining take on credit and buy the new car. The overpayment will be cheap if you will quickly pay, but will receive the machine with a warranty from the vendor, and will avoid all it  with selection. One only  that costs. And if to increase  for 3 years the overpayment essential will be.

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B> in general, I decided to look for someone else. But a pancake, service autosorter selection If to save, now is necessary:) to search most, to pay only for survey in service not to the mechanic  to take more reliable and cheaper to search also among older, but, probably, in the best state, to put on search not less half a year to reconcile to risk. To hope to find in a good state problemless a car at the price below market a little fondly.

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Hello, viellsky, you wrote: NANOSECOND>> Personal experience. V> at you at a birth was  with number of the person which to you sells 100 % a serviceable mirror in an excellent state?) ) V> Well or otherwise. 100 % of on sale mirrors at 100 % of sellers second-hand are serviceable and will not be screwed within at least year? 100 % to you and on the new will be not not given by anybody. NANOSECOND>> Why at me? There are special people who are engaged in it. V> truth? And how many it is necessary to me of time and efforts that them to find? It is a little. NANOSECOND>> understood Nothing. V> 500 rivers are not mirror changeover, it only operation of the master. I do not understand, how it is possible not to understand difference between these events. I all the same you do not understand that you want to tell it.>> I do not spend NANOSECOND. I gave the machine, an hour later took away. V> you waste time on mirror search Not I, and people who are engaged in it. I spend 1 minute for a call. V> a choice of masters - exactly such. Well I and knew that the theorist. NANOSECOND>> And anybody also did not say that differences are not present. Only again here there is nothing long and tiresome. Simply you replace on new and all. V> Ok - is reformulated - simply long and tiresomely eliminate all  And for once to eliminate their religion does not allow. APPRX. NANOSECOND>> On disassemblings in the core the first sell. V> that the first means? Here there is  a machine - at you and at that guy. A state of mirrors - about identical - all from factory, did not change. Now  one machine. Something exchanged in a state of mirrors? Anything. Simply by the second machine continue to go and a month later the mirror from an old age broke. Theorists they such theorists. At you though time the mirror broke? If yes - how many to it was years?

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Hello, alzt, you wrote: A> Hello, koandrew, you wrote: K>> Suppose 450 , and remaining take on credit and buy the new car. The overpayment will be cheap if you will quickly pay, but will receive the machine with a warranty from the vendor, and will avoid all it  with selection. A> thus it loses third of cost for the first 5 years. Thus you do not know 5 years as it is arranged, how many there is spherical etc. Only THAT. And chance to run into a beating below a plinth.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Hello, koandrew, you wrote: K>> Suppose 450 , and remaining take on credit and buy the new car. The overpayment will be cheap if you will quickly pay, but will receive the machine with a warranty from the vendor, and will avoid all it  with selection. D> one only  that costs. And if to increase  for 3 years the overpayment essential will be. On 5 summer it it will not do?

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Hello, wraithik, you wrote: D>> One only  that costs. And if to increase  for 3 years the overpayment essential will be. W> on 5 summer it it will not do? It has a choice at least, personally I do not do even on a zero summer machines. And I already so much on it spared that on this money I can simply buy the new car. Those I any more in a minus even if that that happens with machine.

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Hello, Denwer, you wrote: D> Hello, wraithik, you wrote: D>>> One only  that costs. And if to increase  for 3 years the overpayment essential will be. W>> on 5 summer it it will not do? D> it has a choice at least, personally I do not do even on a zero summer machines. And I already so much on it spared that on this money I can simply buy the new car. Those I any more in a minus even if that that happens with machine. Read on what you answered.