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Topic: Than to explain popularity ?

As it is known, in the bad languages to write much more difficult. But why that the bad languages win love of audience. In what the reason? Here it in any way I can not understand. To take the same JS, PHP or Python even. Well JS that is clear, though and here stars of mankind which install Web-standards, could arrive on mind. Here the logic of this world and all here is not clear to me. To themselves cactuses invent.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> As it is known, in the bad languages to write much more difficult. But why that the bad languages win love of audience. The bad languages win the world because they good. "Good" fail because the bad

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> In what the reason? Here it in any way I can not understand. Yes all is very simple. To people it is not necessary  to them simplicity of the decision of tasks facing them, instead of   horses in  is necessary.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> to me the logic of this world and all here Here is not clear. To themselves cactuses invent. Yes, as here already mentioned, programming for the sake of programming is not necessary for a long time already to anybody. Programming should solve business questions.

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Hello, kov_serg, you wrote: _> Yes all is very simple. To people it is not necessary  to them simplicity of the decision of tasks facing them, instead of   horses in  is necessary. Once again: the worse language - the more difficult on it to write difficult things. For a primitive example it can and it is good, but for debugging

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Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: > Yes as here already mentioned, programming for the sake of programming is not necessary for a long time already to anybody. Programming should solve business questions. How  help with it? Complicate debugging process? There is no strict typification, there is no check by the compiler - in it plus?

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: _>> Yes all is very simple. To people it is not necessary  to them simplicity of the decision of tasks facing them, instead of   horses in  is necessary. S> Once again: the worse language - the more difficult on it to write difficult things. For a primitive example it can and it is good, but for debugging the Majority of people is written by simple things. And debugging does not depend on language.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> to me the logic of this world and all here Here is not clear. To themselves cactuses invent. Logic very simple. The business most part that  that building, managers everyone there, commercial and budgetary, work by a principle: "from the client we receive money now, and with all possible problems the client understands itself, then, when our legal person will already not exist". From here arise for example   without a thing and with one stop of a minibus on all region. The real estate is sold, and in a surrounding, - the client does not understand the environment where there is a real estate. To it, the client, it is necessary to suffice faster because differently others buy. "Give faster! Money is necessary!" . There is a question, and whence it generally undertakes? Why executors always to such level have not enough money what it is necessary to shake out faster means from the client? Why the client always so hurries up, where its time got to? Here the ready answer at me is not present, it is possible to nod on banking system and inflation, but, , it not the primary source.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Hello, kov_serg, you wrote: _>> Yes all is very simple. To people it is not necessary  to them simplicity of the decision of tasks facing them, instead of   horses in  is necessary. S> Once again: the worse language - the more difficult on it to write difficult things. For a primitive example it can and it is good, but for debugging That php that python allow to do of a box simple  for difficult things which write on a C ++ and of these units quickly to build that that solve specific problems. Here a simple example in a good C ++ operation with databases  grief. Even normal operation with file archives  misses in a basic complete set.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> Hello, Dead Down, you wrote: >> Yes as here already mentioned, programming for the sake of programming is not necessary for a long time already to anybody. Programming should solve business questions. S> as  help with it? Complicate debugging process? There is no strict typification, there is no check by the compiler - in it plus? From  units it is easier to build, than to develop modular lines for manufacture not standard details which then also do not resemble not much more.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> As  help with it? Complicate debugging process? There is no strict typification, there is no check by the compiler - in it plus? To you to learn that there is, and that is not present. And that to be praised by illiteracy - unhealthy line.

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: Here the ready answer at me is not present, it is possible to nod on banking system and inflation, but, , it not the primary source. It is necessary to business here and now, more precisely yesterday, therefore take that is. Frequently, it is the bad language, but it is possible to live. So flied up is. Other question, why here and now? Because profit, because if not you... Etc.

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Hello, Sharov, you wrote: S> it is necessary to Business here and now, more precisely yesterday, therefore take that is. Frequently, it is the bad language, but it is possible to live. So flied up is. S> Other question, why here and now? S> Because profit, because if not you... Etc. that you describe, is considered a part so-called" The European economic miracle ". That is, suddenly do not understand from what to people in the Western Europe it became necessary also they most they began to be twisted and undertake actively, and  before the first industrial revolution, well and further. However, it only "a miracle" part. It is quite possible to be twisted actively so that as a result there will be nothing. As it now also happens - all something work, and a mortgage all the same 25 years it is necessary to pay, and is fine in the Russian Federation, and after all and in Canada too, and in the USA basement dweller' is not simple so in large quantities appeared. That is, for good results it is not so enough goggling to be carried without restraint somewhere where all other too run - and consequently that other run. Moreover, such behavior the little differs from an immovability - because run all at once, and rather each other position of the running does not change. Well to these runners on road of bricks  - that came round.

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_>> Yes all is very simple. To people it is not necessary  to them simplicity of the decision of tasks facing them, instead of   horses in  is necessary. S> Once again: the worse language - the more difficult on it to write difficult things. For a primitive example it can and it is good, but for debugging:maniac: not the fact. I till now  on pyh-pyh3 in .  to me something of type  to spit out JS or  js/html? All the same business of the logician will be in something serious, type pl/sql or java,   and  a web the interface is necessary unpretentious  not a typed language. Difficult things, they in business to the logician, there  typification, branchy  with  configurations before   to receive also is necessary. All remaining demands much easier tools Gt_

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S>> to me the logic of this world and all here Here is not clear. To themselves cactuses invent. Logic very simple. The business most part that  that building, managers everyone there, commercial and budgetary, work by a principle: "from the client we receive money now, and with all possible problems the client understands itself, then, when our legal person will already not exist". From here arise for example   without a thing and with one stop of a minibus on all region. The real estate is sold, and in a surrounding, - the client does not understand the environment where there is a real estate. To it, the client, it is necessary to suffice faster because differently others buy. "Give faster! Money is necessary!" . There is a question, and whence it generally undertakes? Why executors always to such level have not enough money what it is necessary to shake out faster means from the client? Why the client always so hurries up, where its time got to? Here the ready answer at me is not present, it is possible to nod on banking system and inflation, but, , it not the primary source. I suppose, speech not only and is not so much about our corners of the world, and it is more about, where differently. Hardly at such affairs present technical progress would be possible. And a rating, like as, worldwide, i.e. first of all there, where the big IT market. And into the mention account about a C ++ above  the comment: the inconvenience of a C described there ++ is clear, but after all is though those Java and C# and though in each of them there are lacks, but they have static strict typification, and a standard dial-up in them solid, and it is a lot of Toolkit' on different cases.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> In what the reason? Here it in any way I can not understand. A syndrome of a duckling. Repeatedly watched - people learned 1 language and then all try to do on it. Learned pascal - all life . And passage frequently is very difficultly given. For this reason even  pull on the server.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> As it is known, in the bad languages to write much more difficult. But why that the bad languages win love of audience. S> in what the reason? Here it in any way I can not understand. S> to take the same JS, PHP or Python even. Well JS that is clear, though and here stars of mankind which install Web-standards, could arrive on mind. S> to me the logic of this world and all here here is not clear. To themselves cactuses invent. Programming languages share on two types. What abuse all. And what nobody uses.

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: K> Programming languages share on two types. What abuse all. And what nobody uses. Here matter is not in it. There are objective criteria, such as static typification and check by the compiler.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: K>> Programming languages share on two types. What abuse all. And what nobody uses. S> here matter is not in it. There are objective criteria, such as static typification and check by the compiler. In my opinion, if criterion was only two, the languages enumerated in a start post would not be so are popular.

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Hello, Kerk, you wrote: K> In my opinion if criterion was only two, the languages enumerated in a start post would not be so are popular. And why they so are popular?

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: K>> In my opinion if criterion was only two, the languages enumerated in a start post would not be so are popular. S> and why they so are popular? It is possible such criteria: How many it is necessary to type characters for obtaining of desirable result - speed Cost purpose achievement in the given language - whether the price Is from whom to select at hiring of employees - availability

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> to Take the same JS, PHP or Python even. Well give we take last PHP and Python. In what on yours consists them ?

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Hello, Glory, you wrote: that you describe, is considered a part so-called" The European economic miracle ". That is, suddenly do not understand from what to people in the Western Europe it became necessary also they most they began to be twisted and undertake actively, and  before the first industrial revolution, well and further. At you any version of events, the true reason the house-keeper. A miracle in Europe? , probably, it is necessary most - see Protestant ethics.> However, it only "a miracle" part. It is quite possible to be twisted actively so that as a result there will be nothing. As it now also happens - all something work, and a mortgage all the same 25 years it is necessary to pay, and is fine in the Russian Federation, and after all and in Canada too, and in the USA basement dweller' is not simple so in large quantities appeared. Many are twisted,  units - luck, talent etc. the Platitude. That is, for good results it is not so enough goggling to be carried without restraint somewhere where all other too run - and consequently that other run. Moreover, such behavior the little differs from an immovability - because run all at once, and rather each other position of the running does not change. Well to these runners on road of bricks  - that came round. To lie on a sofa too hardly good strategy. In  full gold mines, somewhere it is possible and to be enriched.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> In what the reason? Here it in any way I can not understand. Already gave the reference somewhere one year ago, only on pdf - https://www.tcl.tk/doc/scripting.html I Advise to esteem.

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Hello, Shmj, you wrote: S> In what the reason? Here it in any way I can not understand. Possibly because there were few people who perceive fault-finding of the compiler as the help, instead of an annoying noise