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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> All this deserialising and other adjustments for soldiers of justice costs money, and it is impossible to satisfy soldiers of justice all the same. They at first want deserialised , then to remove signatures from drivers, then initial texts, and then the company to direct. Let at once  put. It even ethics question. Here it is fair, I do not know that happens with customers in 2000 that they in mass began to suffer such relation to. Because in 90 still I remember there was a perturbation of serial number in P-III, things on present concepts generally absolutely innocent. And yes same it is extremely difficult to make an option ungearing all date transmission from  in MS. Let even thus the functionality part disappears. Simply such big companies-monopolists as MS and others, did not kick for a long time something on large from customers. Here they also became impudent.

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Hello, Night Looking, you wrote: _R _>> That you though learned something, and that in this subject at you one questions.> So you do not know NANOSECOND, you think. You to read that are able? I did not write that I know. I wrote that you learn. NANOSECOND> And knowledge at you a zero. And self-conceit at you infinity. The estimate opinions you can leave at yourself - "To us that what for about it the nobility?".... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, Michael7, you wrote: whether M> Forces EU to let out Windows , in which all telemetry or for GDPR  Windows (and similar cases) -  quite another matter is disconnected? Strictly speaking, GDPR does not forbid to collect the data. At first, it is necessary to prove still that is possible "making reasonable efforts" to establish connection between the data and the specific person. And secondly, even if this communication  it is possible, it does not mean that all data cannot be collected or it is necessary to delete. It only means that with this data it is necessary to address definitely. So is not present, in itself GDPR is not at the bottom of that the software did not collect the data the same as it did it to GDPR. GDPR  forces at collection of these given to observe a heap of formalities and procedures that raises expenditures on  services and applications that, in turn, increases cost of a software for the user. Differently, as well as the majority of populist initiatives, GDPR struck on pockets of in what interests ostensibly became.

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Hello, IB, you wrote: IB> Strictly speaking, GDPR does not forbid to collect the data. Strictly speaking, forbids. And the MSEC it is necessary to think, and whether minimum they collect the necessary data.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, Michael7, you wrote: S>> All this deserialising and other adjustments for soldiers of justice costs money, and it is impossible to satisfy soldiers of justice all the same. They at first want deserialised , then to remove signatures from drivers, then initial texts, and then the company to direct. Let at once  put. M> it even ethics question. Here it is fair, I do not know that happens with customers in 2000 that they in mass began to suffer such relation to. Because in 90 still I remember there was a perturbation of serial number in P-III, things on present concepts generally absolutely innocent. And yes same it is extremely difficult to make an option ungearing all date transmission from  in MS. Let even thus the functionality part disappears. There was no perturbation of serial numbers P-III, except as in the environment of disturbed . Among remaining there was a pleasure that P-III quickly works. And everything, except especially disturbed when time money comes to pay, select to pay for the big functionality, than for absence of telemetry. People as a whole love that well works, instead of in what there is no telemetry. For minority is Linux, Libre Office, GIMP and so on.

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> And everything, except especially disturbed when time money comes to pay, select to pay for the big functionality, than for absence of telemetry. The majority selects nothing, because has __ no choice. Also is forced to guzzle that is.

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> Strictly speaking, forbids. Then certainly it will be not difficult to result the appropriate citation? _R _> and the MSEC it is necessary to think, and whether minimum they collect the necessary data. Minimum necessary for what?

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Hello, AlexRK, you wrote: S>> And everything, except especially disturbed when time money comes to pay, select to pay for the big functionality, than for absence of telemetry. ARK> the majority selects nothing, because has __ no choice. Also is forced to guzzle that is. Well, in a case with Windows a choice between the Windows, the Macintosh, and Linux. I am fine still I can understand the version what - such , what it it is impossible to consider Linux as a real choice (though it seems to me, what supporters open source will be perturbed), but the Macintosh with iOS than are bad?

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> but the Macintosh with iOS than are bad? They are not bad (I have in stock both that, and that), but some application classes there simply are not present. All "working" applications known and not so, well and games. Actually, the percent quite reflects it in the market, at a poppy somewhere 10-15 are people who have certain average  a class of working tasks, needs of the "general" character (to climb in the Internet to listen to a music) and are not interested in games.

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Hello, Michael7, you wrote: M> But  even the e-mail and-or IP is considered. No. They will be considered  if applying "reasonable efforts" it is possible to establish the unambiguous connection between the real person and this data. A rationality of efforts is defined by court...

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Hello, AlexRK, you wrote: S>> but the Macintosh with iOS than are bad? ARK> they are not bad (I have in stock both that, and that), but some application classes there simply are not present. All "working" applications known and not so, well and games. Actually, the percent quite reflects it in the market, at a poppy somewhere 10-15 are people who have certain average  a class of working tasks, needs of the "general" character (to climb in the Internet to listen to a music) and are not interested in games. And still people at which principles and which are ready to pay for the sake of absence of telemetry of money, or in shape "to pay to the developer for ", or in shape "to write independently that is necessary", or in shape "to replace a kind of activity on such where you do not track". These people too enter into those 10. 15 % (a half-percent pole ). All remaining are ready to talk about telemetry, but are not ready to pay money for its absence. The same situation with chrome and all free products Google, with advertizing everywhere where it is possible, and all other.  it is possible to consider too by the way, in this context, and also freemium games.

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Hello, IB, you wrote: _R _>> _R _>> to be restricted IB> Quite right. And in practice it means that the law does not forbid to collect and process the data. He only demands to explain what for it becomes. For me restricts - means forbids.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> All remaining are ready to talk about telemetry, but are not ready to pay money for its absence. A question ambiguous, . Here I am ready to pay money for absence of telemetry - but to me such possibility do not give. Certainly, I speak about more or less real variants, instead of about type variants "buy for the money Microsoft entirely and let out Windows without telemetry" or there "write the OS without telemetry and achieve its wide circulation" is not real variants. Well also is also other question - and why, actually, people should pay money for __ telemeterings? And all can on the contrary - they pay money for it _ _? Why presence of telemetry is cheaper than its absence? It is absolutely not simple question.

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Hello, Sharowarsheg, you wrote: S> there was no perturbation of serial numbers P-III, except as in the environment of disturbed . Was. Already I will not recall all particulars, but even someone from politicians something about it spoke and as a result of people assured that the browser does not transfer serial number, etc. S> Among remaining there was a pleasure that P-III quickly works. And everything, except especially disturbed when time money comes to pay, select to pay for the big functionality, than for absence of telemetry. Disturbed, unlike not disturbed, simply look at least at two, instead of one course forward and understand that encroachments on their freedom become at all from desire them to do much good. S> people as a whole love that well works, instead of in what there is no telemetry. Well, and then it appears, for example, that to the farmer already and "well operating" tractor most (that is operatively) it is impossible to repair, and if a smog - an offense for digital rights https://habr.com/post/402545/And "badly working" in practice already and you will not acquire though could earlier. Such is the price  on freedom (in a case with freedom tractor to dispose of the property) and it only florets. With telemetry generally idiocy full. Danger of trojans which something transfer also something do besides will of the owner, people understand and put antiviruses and other decisions that them to delete or , and just the same trojan in the form of the whole OS consider for itself normal. S> for minority is Linux, Libre Office, GIMP and so on. And for this minority there are plans to make Secure Boot not disconnected, bios already made in new boards with protection against the user, whether and that understand "disturbed " everyones there coreboot invent...

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Hello, IB, you wrote: IB> Is not present. They will be considered  if applying "reasonable efforts" it is possible to establish the unambiguous connection between the real person and this data. A rationality of efforts is defined by court... Well here if  that for corporation like MS is difficult to install correspondence with the real person as these real people normally and so all necessary  enter at registration/activation oem-are visible on the computer.

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Hello, _Raz _, you wrote: _R _> For me restricts - means forbids. Interesting treatment, amusing but not true)) I Will try to explain more in detail - to "restrict", does not mean to "forbid", it means "to resolve within boundaries". And provided that boundaries are installed by the same of whom it is supposed to restrict, in practice it means that is authorized everywhere if to give probable enough substantiation. Differently, all the same, is simple more than paper operation, as well as has been told from the very beginning.

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Hello, Michael7, you wrote: S>> there was no perturbation of serial numbers P-III, except as in the environment of disturbed . M> Was. Already I will not recall all particulars, but even someone from politicians something about it spoke and as a result of people assured that the browser does not transfer serial number, etc. It it seemed, instead of was. Population half-percent is capable to lift noise such that will seem that now the moon falls. All remaining pay for productivity. Not so it is a lot of politicians of all, and at them the task in the core to pull out languages - even they not all were excited. S>> people as a whole love that well works, instead of in what there is no telemetry. M> well, and then it appears, for example, that to the farmer already and "well operating" tractor most (that is operatively) it is impossible to repair, and if a smog - an offense for digital rights https://habr.com/post/402545/And "badly working" in practice already and you will not acquire though could earlier. Well, and what hinders to pay hardly more expensively for repair and maintenance of a tractor Belarus, or there John Dira, release of 1960? It after all will work absolutely perfectly, it can be repaired most and so on. Only , also will guzzle  so many that will pay more cheaply for the modern tractor. Do not let out more tractors of the sample of 1960? If enough people wants to pay for them - let out. Capitalism, . Besides, always it is possible to import from Russia - at us it  shaft. M> with telemetry generally idiocy full. Danger of trojans which something transfer also something do besides will of the owner, people understand and put antiviruses and other decisions that them to delete or , and just the same trojan in the form of the whole OS consider for itself normal. Danger of trojans not that they do something besides will of the owner, and that they do something such that at the owner becomes less money. Machines generally does about three billion actions a second on the processor - there is no moron who would demand acknowledgement for each action, and generally would like to state any will on each action of the machine. While the machine does well, let does, and the she demands less attention, the better. And so the Windows do well, and trojans badly. S>> for minority is Linux, Libre Office, GIMP and so on. M> And for this minority there are plans to make Secure Boot not disconnected, bios already made in new boards with protection against the user, whether and that understand "disturbed " everyones there coreboot invent... And what for to buy new iron? Old years on twenty still a minimum, at least for house and office usage suffices. Let accumulate now spare parts the next 50 years, and sit with them. Are not ready to sacrifice labor productivity for the sake of absence of telemetry? Money it is a pity to enclose in an equipment store for 50 years? Well, and what to do.

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Hello, IB, you wrote: IB> Differently, all the same, is simple more than paper operation, as well as has been told from the very beginning. Only provided that "probable enough substantiation" exists and it will be accepted court. If it not so - that ! Suddenly at all the same.

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Hello, Michael7, you wrote: M> And it not so simply to make. The telemetry which is starting with , is ciphered also I by the way till now did not see, that someone, at least is public, it deciphered or intercepted before. Well the key for enciphering that is stored in Windows and to change it for the at desire it is possible.

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Hello, IB, you wrote: _R _>> For me restricts - means forbids. IB> interesting treatment, amusing but not true)) IB> I Will try to explain more in detail - to "restrict", does not mean to "forbid", it means "to resolve within boundaries". How it not true if you sounded half of my treatment? Restriction means resolution in boundaries and the prohibition out of them. So, if to GRPR restrictions were not, and with its input it appeared, he added the prohibition. Also locks, because resolution and was earlier. IB> and provided that boundaries are installed by the same of whom it is supposed to restrict, in practice it means that is authorized everywhere if to give probable enough substantiation. So and I also did not speak about the unconditional prohibition. Both I, and at you have words "Strictly speaking". IB> Differently, all the same, is simple more than paper operation, as well as has been told from the very beginning. Here at all too most. Companions as blind of a topic blind Americans threaten the Author: dmitry251 Date: 30.05 10:04 one more tool.... <<RSDN@Home 1.3.110 alpha 5 rev. 62>>